My prior service time count for basic pay???

[USU2012Dude]

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Hi,
you guys said that formerreservist should get paid as an 0-1 with 8+ years of service for his prior reserve time during OBLC and that he would get 0-3 with 8+ years during the residency.
I was in one of the Reserves for almost six years. Do you guys think that I will get paid as an 0-1 with 5+ years for my basic pay while attending USUHS and as an 0-3 with 5+ during my residency? Thank you so much.

 

[elderjack21]

Hi,
you guys said that formerreservist should get paid as an 0-1 with 8+ years of service for his prior reserve time during OBLC and that he would get 0-3 with 8+ years during the residency.
I was in one of the Reserves for almost six years. Do you guys think that I will get paid as an 0-1 with 5+ years for my basic pay while attending USUHS and as an 0-3 with 5+ during my residency? Thank you so much.

If you are at 5+...then you will be paid at the "over 4" pay level, since pay steps up every 2 years after 4.

While at USUHS you would be paid as an 0-1 w/5 years (which is the same as an 0-1 w/4 years)

The same goes for residency, except once you hit 6 years in, then you would get another raise.

 

[NavyFP]

If you are at 5+...then you will be paid at the "over 4" pay level, since pay steps up every 2 years after 4.

While at USUHS you would be paid as an 0-1 w/5 years (which is the same as an 0-1 w/4 years)

The same goes for residency, except once you hit 6 years in, then you would get another raise.

Actually, under the recent NDAA, you may be paid (base pay only) as an O3 over 4. The Save Pay is for active duty time and USU should pay your old base pay rate.

 

[177584]

Prior enlisted pay

-if you are over 4 years active duty you get paid O-1E scaled to your years in service....BAH scale is higher too

Prior officer pay

-You keep your current pay grade until you have made rank that would make your pay higher...ie your pay does not change no matter where you are USU, residency whatever until you make that prior rank again essentially
-BAH I believe is still paid out at the O-1 w/ or w/o dependent rates

Rank is not kept so proper paperwork must be filed for the pay stuff. They will help you out once you get there. Bring many copies of prior service time and discharge paperwork or whatever applies to you. Prior reserve time is converted to equal active duty time and I do not believe it ends up being 1 for 1...if it does make sure you check, double check, and triple check with personnel before they yank their money back on you (if this applies to you)!

I'm prior enlisted and it took 9 months to get my pay straight so stay on the finance people.

Most of the guys in my class have their pay stuff in the works for prior O service. Several are already recieving new pay rates.

 

[USU2012Dude]

So, if the total active duty time that I accrued was ~ 2 years while I was in the Reserve for almost six years, I will get paid only as O-1 w/ <2 years and not 0-1 with 5+ years? I thought every year in the Reserve counts???? Then, why does everyone say that formerreservist dude will get O-1 with 8+ years (for his eight years in the Reserve) for his base pay? Shouldn't I get 0-1 with 5+ years too?

I am confused now...

 

[USU2012Dude]

anyone knowledgeable about this issue, please answer ASAP. Thanks so much

 

[elderjack21]

anyone knowledgeable about this issue, please answer ASAP. Thanks so much

Ask your pay people...they would be the ones you need to convince anyway.

 

[dentalOH]

So, if the total active duty time that I accrued was ~ 2 years while I was in the Reserve for almost six years, I will get paid only as O-1 w/ <2 years and not 0-1 with 5+ years? I thought every year in the Reserve counts???? Then, why does everyone say that formerreservist dude will get O-1 with 8+ years (for his eight years in the Reserve) for his base pay? Shouldn't I get 0-1 with 5+ years too?

I am confused now...

anyone knowledgeable about this issue, please answer ASAP. Thanks so much

All prior service (Active, Reserve/Guard, IRR) counts as creditable service for basic pay. Since you have over 4 years, but less than 6, you will get payed as an O-1 with 4 years. Be sure to have a copy of your dd214 (NGB form 22 for Guard members) with you when you inprocess finance.

Current pay tables:

http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2008MilitaryPayCharts35.pdf

DoD Financial Management Regulations (Chapter 1 covers basic pay):

http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/fmr/07a/index.html

twillson was talking about something that doesn't apply to you. On the pay tables linked above, there are separate pay rates listed as O-1, O-2, and O-3 superscript 3 (used to be listed as O-1E, O-2E, and O-3E). These pay rates are for those who have at least 4 years, 1 day of active enlisted service.

 

[Milamber]

All prior service (Active, Reserve/Guard, IRR) counts as creditable service for basic pay. Since you have over 4 years, but less than 6, you will get payed as an O-1 with 4 years. Be sure to have a copy of your dd214 (NGB form 22 for Guard members) with you when you inprocess finance.

Current pay tables:

http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2008MilitaryPayCharts35.pdf

DoD Financial Management Regulations (Chapter 1 covers basic pay):

http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/fmr/07a/index.html

twillson was talking about something that doesn't apply to you. On the pay tables linked above, there are separate pay rates listed as O-1, O-2, and O-3 superscript 3 (used to be listed as O-1E, O-2E, and O-3E). These pay rates are for those who have at least 4 years, 1 day of active enlisted service.

So if I did 4 years active enlisted and 4 years in the IRR I would get paid for 8 years time in service? Is that correct?

 

[dentalOH]

So if I did 4 years active enlisted and 4 years in the IRR I would get paid for 8 years time in service? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct.

Edit: You are credited with 8 years of service. This would put you at the O-1 >6 rate on the pay table. You would need 8 years, 1 day of service to reach O-1 >8.

 

[USU2012Dude]

Yes, that is correct.

hey, the Reserve didn't give me a DD-214!!! I called the National Archive Center and my unit, and they said that they don't have it and that only the active duty gets one!

GREAT!!!! How am I going to get the finance people to credit my time then? Any ideals?

 

[dentalOH]

hey, the Reserve didn't give me a DD-214!!! I called the National Archive Center and my unit, and they said that they don't have it and that only the active duty gets one!

GREAT!!!! How am I going to get the finance people to credit my time then? Any ideals?

I'm not too sure about the Reserve. I've only been active and guard.

Did you receive a DD Form 256A (Honorable Discharge Certificate)?

I found the following on the Army HRC site under Reserve:

How can a veteran obtain a Statement of his/her military service? You can submit a dated and signed written inquiry or a SF Form 180 (download .PDF form, get viewer). Your request should state that you desire a statement of service.
What does the statement of service show?
It shows your military history from your date of entry to your date of discharge or retirement. It will include all promotions/ grade reductions and dates of ranks, all active and inactive duty dates, Character of Service and Narrative Reason for Separation for each period.

Here is the link to the form:
http://www.archives.gov/research/order/standard-form-180.pdf

I found a quicker way to request this information. The request can now be submitted online at:

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/evetrecs/index.html

 

[177584]

I guess I have been talking apples vs. oranges and I apologize for that. I do believe dental is correct when stating that the IRR does "count" for base pay. However this will not change the pay $ amount you recieve for several years if you're already over 3 years of active or other service. My mistake was that I made an a## of myself in assuming that the inference was being made that one could recieve O-1E pay for 4 years + IRR which remains false.

All of that to say that your LES should state your 8 years on top but your pay will be for an O-1 >3 years of service where you'll be locked in until you make O-3 on graduation. Sorry for the confusion. I'll eat the crow on this one.

 

[dentalOH]

NO!!! I regret to inform you that your IRR WILL NOT COUNT. I have 4 years prior enlisted service plus 4 years IRR. My basic pay is counted as O-1 with >3 years in service. The IRR time does not count for squat. I was very dissapointed with this since even if they counted one day of it it would significantly increase my pay. You can call personnel...make sure you get a supervisor and ask them but after submitting all of my paperwork and nine months of e-mail and phone calls IRR does not count. If someone did get it counted they can count themsleves lucky (or unlucky since the gov't can yank back pay at any time in a lump sum if it is determined dispersed in correctly). If there is some exception for enlisted service vs. commissioned I haven't heard of it. Rule sucks but that's how it was applied to my case so it would make sense that it remain consistent.

Here is what the DoD Financial Management Regulation linked above says:

B. Computation of Creditable Service. For most members who enter and serve on active duty without a break in service, the basic pay date is the date the member enters active or inactive service. If, however, there is a break in service, the time between periods of service usually is not included. Also, there are statutory periods when service in a particular component may not be counted. Conversely, there are periods for which some members are given constructive service, even though they were not actually serving on active or inactive duty. Use the following guidance to compute the basic pay date when there has been a break in service of any kind or if there is a need to include constructive service.
C. Creditable Service Periods. Include active or inactive service in any of the following components without restriction:
1. Regular service in the Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, and Marine Corps.
2. Army, Naval, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard Reserve.

The Army was having problems with this, particularly with incoming AMEDD officers. A milper message was sent out to clarify the issue:

https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/Active/TAGD/retire/newsletters/06_01.htm

MILPER MSG 06-066AHRC-FSA-P
DA FORM 1506, STATEMENT OF SERVICE FOR AMEDD OFFICERS WHO ACCESSED AFTER 14 SEP 81
..Issued: [03/07/2006]...

2. THIS MESSAGE PROVIDES CLARIFICATION OF GUIDANCE PROVIDED IN REF A AND B. IT CORRECTS PROCEDURES FOR COMPLETING THE DA FORM 1506, STATEMENT OF SERVICE, REGARDING COMPUTATION OF LENGTH OF SERVICE FOR PAY PURPOSES FOR AMEDD OFFICERS WHO ACCESSED AFTER 14 SEP 81.

4. THE FIELD IS EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS ESTABLISHING A CORRECT PAY ENTRY BASIC DATE (PEBD) FOR ARMY MEDICAL DEPARTMENT (AMEDD) OFFICERS DUE TO A MISUNDERSTANDING OF CREDITABLE SERVICE CRITERIA. IN MANY INSTANCES THIS IS CAUSING MISCALCULATION OF TIME IN SERVICE BY SEVERAL YEARS.
5. CREDITABLE SERVICE IS GOVERNMENT SERVICE WHICH COUNTS TOWARDS THE PEBD. THE PEBD IS THE DATE THAT DENOTES HOW MUCH SERVICE A MEMBER HAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING LONGEVITY PAY RATES. THE OFFICERS SERVICING HR PERSONNEL OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLETING THE DA FORM 1506, STATEMENT OF SERVICE, UPON THE OFFICER’S INITIAL ENTRY ONTO ACTIVE DUTY.

C. ANY ACTIVE, RESERVE, OR INDIVIDUAL READY RESERVE (IRR) SERVICE PERIODS PRIOR TO ENTRY INTO USUHS, HPSP, OR FAP IS CREDITABLE FOR PAY.

I see from previous posts that you are in the Air Force. I would suggest that you print up the pertinent pages from the DoD Regulation and the Army milper message. Go back to your MPF and try to get your pay adjusted. Take it to a higher level if you must. All services are supposed to follow the same guidance when computing creditable service. If you have a friend in the Army with AKO access, a more printer friendly version of the milper message can be found here:

http://perscomnd04.army.mil/MILPERmsgs.nsf/All+Documents/06-066?OpenDocument

I've been in the military for 15 years (active Army, Army Guard, Air Guard) and if there is one thing I've learned, it is to research the regulations (instructions) myself. This is especially true when dealing with personnel sections. A title of supervisor doesn't necessarily mean that the soldier or airman is knowledgeable of the issue.

I hope this helps. Good luck in getting your pay fixed.

 

[abnatc]

dentalOH,

If what you posted is true, then everyone who has served a term in the military would automatically get credited for 8 years of service for pay. It wouldn't differentiate between someone who served 8 years active/0 IRR and 2 years active/ 6 IRR, which would be bogus.

 

[177584]

dentalOH,

If what you posted is true, then everyone who has served a term in the military would automatically get credited for 8 years of service for pay. It wouldn't differentiate between someone who served 8 years active/0 IRR and 2 years active/ 6 IRR, which would be bogus.

Here's the catch and what makes it different. "E-pay" If you serve active duty all eight years you are on a different pay scale from O-1 to O-3. You get additional BAH and additional base pay. Therefore you make much more than your O-1 through O-3 counterparts. The IRR stuff is correct....just double checked on my LES and revised my previous statment accordingly. I think he posted something on this earlier in the thread. (My apologies for speaking too soon dentaloh)