Myo clinic Arizona IM?

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The area is super nice. North scottsdale is pretty sweet.
 
johnsmith130077 said:
Any idea about the program itself?
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The program is weak. That's the word on the street from someone I trust, implicitly. And I'm not trying to cause any hurt feels. I'm sure it's fine as far as it goes for a community program, and a person can make a lot of residency if they put themselves into it and apply themselves, but I cannot recommend this program.
 
@jdh71- thank you for your reply. Can you please elaborate what exactly you mean by "weak"?
 
Few thoughts:
1. The internal medicine residency is sub-par ever since Dr. Blair took over as PD from Dr. Cannon. Their philosophies are quite different. Also the current chiefs do not provide adequate leadership unfortunately.
2. For being a "Mayo" program, it is quite malignant by design. The seniors are stupid (i.e. inadequate medical knowledge/confidence etc.) so they treat their interns badly if the interns are somewhat smart or hardworking to keep their own egos going.
3. Half of every year is spent on wards. There is no teaching on wards by attendings. Everything is self driven in that you have to read about your patients problems in your free time (haha). But if you are driven, as any residency like this one is what you make of it. You MIGHT be a smart internist when you graduate.
4. In terms of fellowships, Mayo AZ has historically not taken their IM residents into cards (unless you spend few years after residency as an attending or chief etc.) or GI. Occasionally, they will take someone into heme/onc. It is a risky business for fellowship.
 
University of Arizona in Tucson is the best IM program in the state
 
So how do the other residencies in the state (St. Joe's, Maricopa, Good Samaritan) compare? I mean obviously they're not University programs but compared to other community programs?
 
In terms of the state of Arizona i would rank the programs
1. U of Arizona


2. Banner Good Samaritan
3. Mayo Scottsdale
4/5. Maricopa, St. Joes
 
is mayo phoenix just about the name? do they take their own for competitive fellowships like GI or HemeOnc?
 
Banner Good Sam's is a weird looking hospital in the crappy part of the metro but solid training for a community spot. You get SICK people there. They have in house fellowships, and like smaller shops like their own people for these spots. They share the VA with St Joes. And I think VA experience is always a plus not a minus. I don't know about fellowship placement outside.
 
jdh71 said:
Banner Good Sam's is a weird looking hospital in the crappy part of the metro but solid training for a community spot. You get SICK people there. They have in house fellowships, and like smaller shops like their own people for these spots. They share the VA with St Joes. And I think VA experience is always a plus not a minus. I don't know about fellowship placement outside.
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Thanks.
 
johnsmith130077 said:
u gutonc.....who else??? u r the smartest person on the forum...
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Oh. Then no. They never take their own for fellowship.

Your internet seems to be working fine, so why not just email one of the chief residents or Asst PDs you met on interview day and ask them?

I'm not suggesting it's not a legit question (which it is), just that you're asking the wrong people. Repeatedly.
 
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents: I interviewed here and was pleasantly surprised. Shiny new hospital, amazing resources (medical librarians who do lit searches for you,) stipended int'l opportunities, lots of zebra cases, not a single FMG or DO in the bunch. The resident I spoke with said that they do take their own for fellowships. He also addressed a rumor that graduates weren't consistently matching to fellowships, and assured me that everyone who applies matches, they've just had years when no one was interested in GI, for example. Most of the residents seemed pretty with-it and we're easy to get along with. There was one that seemed a little... Flighty.
Overall, it's a new program. I'm sure it has some kinks to work out, but I'll probably rank it.
 
Seriously
monabash said:
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents: I interviewed here and was pleasantly surprised. Shiny new hospital, amazing resources (medical librarians who do lit searches for you,) stipended int'l opportunities, lots of zebra cases, not a single FMG or DO in the bunch. The resident I spoke with said that they do take their own for fellowships. He also addressed a rumor that graduates weren't consistently matching to fellowships, and assured me that everyone who applies matches, they've just had years when no one was interested in GI, for example. Most of the residents seemed pretty with-it and we're easy to get along with. There was one that seemed a little... Flighty.
Overall, it's a new program. I'm sure it has some kinks to work out, but I'll probably rank it.
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Seriously? What's wrong with DO students. or fmg I don't think havingfmg or DO students is going to reduce the quality of program the only perceptions affected are med students If the mayo clinic is ok with DO students then so should any one else. For what it's worth I scored a 35 on the mcat. Im just as qualified as the next guy.

And again...seriously? You're more impressed by its lack of DOs and its shiny libraries?

Just looked up your stats that you've posted for all to see.

Seems like you're just out to put others down because of your own insecurities....you seem to be a perfect fit in fact for a program that has PDs who are arrogant and treat their interns awfully to boost their egos.
 
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monabash said:
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents: I interviewed here and was pleasantly surprised. Shiny new hospital, amazing resources (medical librarians who do lit searches for you,) stipended int'l opportunities, lots of zebra cases, not a single FMG or DO in the bunch. The resident I spoke with said that they do take their own for fellowships. He also addressed a rumor that graduates weren't consistently matching to fellowships, and assured me that everyone who applies matches, they've just had years when no one was interested in GI, for example. Most of the residents seemed pretty with-it and we're easy to get along with. There was one that seemed a little... Flighty.
Overall, it's a new program. I'm sure it has some kinks to work out, but I'll probably rank it.
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Oh, good. Heaven forbid you have to work with DO/FMG scum. They would obviously beneath you, your highness.
 
sanj238 said:
Seems like you're just out to put others down because of your own insecurities....you seem to be a perfect fit in fact for a program that has PDs who are arrogant and treat their interns awfully to boost their egos.
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Guys, please do keep in mind that %FMGs/DOs tends to be a reasonable yardstick for measuring the competitiveness of a program (which I think is what he's getting at, albeit brusquely). I am a DO and I too avoided programs that had high percentages of FMGs/DOs. It's a surrogate marker for program quality.
 
dozitgetchahi said:
Guys, please do keep in mind that %FMGs/DOs tends to be a reasonable yardstick for measuring the competitiveness of a program (which I think is what he's getting at, albeit brusquely). I am a DO and I too avoided programs that had high percentages of FMGs/DOs. It's a bad/lazy/crappy marker for program quality.
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FTFY.

Even without FMGs or DOs, Miracle Whip is a pretty mediocre (at best) program.
 
Whatever. It's a data point that's worth *something* in most situations where you otherwise have relatively little data about programs. It's not perfect.
 
dozitgetchahi said:
Whatever. It's a data point that's worth *something* in most situations where you otherwise have relatively little data about programs. It's not perfect.
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Thats really not true. Its about what the program director of that department feels. Don't tell me that some local program is more competitive than the Mayo at Rochester. When I mentioned Mayo I wasnt referring to Arizona. I was referring to Mayo Rochester- and they take DOs as well. And that program is definitely better than programs in podunk state U that won't take DOs.

Same goes with MDs- are you sincerely going to tell me Brown university is a superior IM program when it routinely takes MDs with low 200s on steps ( I mean 205 etc) but wont take DOs?

Its all about the PD. Univ Wash takes DOs for its rad onc program etc.

I'd rather take a DO with a 250+ step than an MD with a 205.
 
If I was a PD, I'd only take DOs if they were SMOKING hawt!

This girl for instance:

hotchick++free+hot+girls.jpg


I can tell she'd be an AMAZING doctor, for reasons.

If she was an FMG, I'd even take her.

It's all about playing the game. And I think the name of the game is: be good looking.
 
monabash said:
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents: I interviewed here and was pleasantly surprised. Shiny new hospital, amazing resources (medical librarians who do lit searches for you,) stipended int'l opportunities, lots of zebra cases, not a single FMG or DO in the bunch. The resident I spoke with said that they do take their own for fellowships. He also addressed a rumor that graduates weren't consistently matching to fellowships, and assured me that everyone who applies matches, they've just had years when no one was interested in GI, for example. Most of the residents seemed pretty with-it and we're easy to get along with. There was one that seemed a little... Flighty.
Overall, it's a new program. I'm sure it has some kinks to work out, but I'll probably rank it.
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How is the teaching at that program? How are the attendings?
 
sanj238 said:
Thats really not true. Its about what the program director of that department feels. Don't tell me that some local program is more competitive than the Mayo at Rochester. When I mentioned Mayo I wasnt referring to Arizona. I was referring to Mayo Rochester- and they take DOs as well. And that program is definitely better than programs in podunk state U that won't take DOs.

Same goes with MDs- are you sincerely going to tell me Brown university is a superior IM program when it routinely takes MDs with low 200s on steps ( I mean 205 etc) but wont take DOs?

Its all about the PD. Univ Wash takes DOs for its rad onc program etc.

I'd rather take a DO with a 250+ step than an MD with a 205.
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So get this... I just checked and someone from my school matched IM at Mayo Scottadale... so apparently monabash was mistaken. Probably met a DO at his/her interview there and didn't even know it.
 
any suggestions for housing in PHX , arizona guys? what would be an affordable amount?
 
jdh71 said:
No cardiology matches at Mayo Scott this year btw.
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Which of course means nothing. We know the numerator (0 matches) but not the denominator (# of applicants). So as far as we know, the cards match rate this year was infinity.

I know that you know this, but your post just gave the OP a stroke, so I thought I'd mellow him out a bit.
 
gutonc said:
Which of course means nothing. We know the numerator (0 matches) but not the denominator (# of applicants). So as far as we know, the cards match rate this year was infinity.

I know that you know this, but your post just gave the OP a stroke, so I thought I'd mellow him out a bit.
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There were two of them.
 
jdh71 said:
Yes. I have a source. Lives in a nice enough place close by (not luxury appts or anything, but I've stayed there and it's fine for residency) 900-1100/ month.
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Can you tell the name of the apartments? Btw how many applied and how many matched in gastro or heme onc ?
 
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