I don't know much about Northwell but if it were me I would have IU ranked so much higher. It is one of strongest GI programs in the Midwest with huge names there including Doug Rex. UM Chan is very strong in basic science GI research if that is your thing.
oof i didn't know that IU's GI program was that strong
100% agree that it should be IU/UMass/Cincy in some order, then the rest however.
1. If GI is your goal, you should be setting yourself up for success and prioritizing those opportunities over everything else. I get that a X+Y system probably supports a better work/life balance than a traditional system. But it's only 3 years. Also, I have no idea what IU's PD is thinking but I can tell you that my residency program changed the call system 3 times while I was a resident, so who knows what will happen there.
You have two of the most notoriously intense/biggest work-horse programs in the country at the top but phenomenal training nonetheless. Vandy and Duke residents are incredibly well trained. Vandy IM amazing culture with happy residents (at least they seemed when I interviewed there). If you wanna stay in the south you cannot go wrong especialy if you value strong training. Their fellowship match lists are excellent. If you want to stay south UTSW over Michigan but both have exceptional training with UTSW being borderline toxic? so I hear but dont quote me on this. UTSW residents work very hard as well
Thanks! To make clear, are you saying you recommend Vandy's culture, happiness, and fellowship over that of Duke? or that you are just more familiar with Vandy?
More familiar with Vandy but I do think Vandy culture better in IM from what Ive heard. I interviewed at Vandy but not Duke. Tier wise Duke is slightly better but your fellowship opportunities are more or less very similar
Just to be clear here, there is no meaningful difference between those 6 programs in terms of training and fellowship/career prospects. Any single one of them will set you up for a successful career. That doesn't mean that one might not be better than another for a particular person, and the one that might be "best" for me is probably different for you, and different again for @Throwaway3412894
Great point. Thanks for that view
Then that seems like a good way to rank them (although I had to Google SKMC to learn that you meant Jeff/TJ).
I think RWJ has best reputation of the 3 but it’s not hugely different. In a native long islander and had two of those 3 of my rank list back in 2013 and ranked northwell>RWJ. Stony brook is a fine program but a step below I think.
Thank you! What are your thoughts on Monte in terms of clinical training and fellowship opportunity vs. Maryland / Miami? I would love to stay in NYC if possible but I do want great training as well.
Why is Pennsylvania Hospital so low? Also why NJMS below Cooper?
Ignoring your desire to stay in the Tri-state area, Bayview should be #1, UMass in the top 3 and agree that Pennsy belongs top 10 at least.
I put Pennsy lower because compared to the other schools above it, it is not a primary university program. It also does not have any in-house fellowships (most of the other programs do at least numbers 1-9). I was hoping to go to a program where there are fellows in order to work with them and get better support in terms of learning, research, and also advice for getting into fellowships. Many others I have talked to sense the match list for NJMS is slightly better which I can also see but feel that the training from Cooper is stronger and regarded as better by fellowships. Curious to know your input on this.
I understand Bayview is a strong program but it is a community hospital. I am having a hard time seeing Bayview above some other big universities on my list since Jefferson, Monte, GW, and Temple are also more well known.
Bayview is a community program in name only. It's the "Happy Hopkins". Unless they've changed things dramatically, you have access to lots of Hopkins sub-specialists and rotations as well as research opportunities. If my information is hopelessly outdated, I'm willing to amend this recommendation but otherwise, I stand by my statement.
Awesome! I appreciate both of your feedback. I was wondering if you had any insight on how to rank Lenox Hill, Morningside, Westchester, Lankenau Medical Center, NYU Long Island relative to each other.
I agree with @gutonc that umass and Hopkins bayview are great programs.
Top 3 look great, On reputation alone I’d say
I wanted to ask, why NJMS over Rochester?
Also, wanted to let you know since you're applying GI to look at the match list of the above places between Cooper, Rutgers, and Pennsy and to discern between their fellowship matches because some of the matches can be due to IMGs with a hefty research portfolio. Figured I'd add that because on first glance, it might look like a program is better than another due to the fellowship match list but it might be skewed due to research heavy IMGs applying to fellowship from there such as NJMS/Pennsy. @ghostline
Not much insight into your rank list but just wanted to tell you that I rotated at NUMC and it's truly one of the worst hospitals in the state. Really underfunded and you'll be doing TONS of scutwork. I actually think they are trying to shut down the hospital, so if you do match there, there's a chance you would have to find a new residency program if they do decide to stop funding the hospital. Truly should be last on your list.
I assume you mean UMiami/Jackson Memorial? Unless they have a new satellite program I’m unaware of. Just checking cause Miami and Jacksonville are very different places
Interested to hear what other people have to say about St. Lukes
So I think U Rochester in prestige goes a lot higher (similar to Jefferson and Monte), but I think due to its location it falls pretty low on my list. I would still place it above some of the other programs that are not universities due to its prestige.
Thanks! Yeah I have heard a lot pretty consistently that Cooper has a very strong training program and NJMS has a somewhat inflated fellowship match. I think due to those reasons I placed cooper higher on my list. Pennsy to be honest still doesnt sit right with me. I think its location is great but I think its less well known and its fellowship match is also very skewed due to research heavy imgs
I'd actually rank them exactly like that, although a reasonable argument could be made to swap Tufts and UMass
So do you guys mostly agree with this for heme/onc or cards? (leaning more towards heme/onc).
Sounds like you've already got it sorted in regards to how things matter to you.
Thank goodness you are being vague to stay anonymous.
Well I was trying to give enough detail to engender useful responses! I need HELP, not snark!
Obviously it is a tough decision but you are fortunate to have 3 solid programs that you like which is why I found your post amusing. Not sure how you are expecting anyone here to help you navigate the very personal pro's vs con's you mention such as: job opportunities for wife vs how you tolerate Minnesota cold vs family ties. The fact that you struggle to pick one over the other probably means they would all be a decent fit.
