Naturopathic remedies vs Allopathic

[iTariqPreMD]

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One of my colleagues is a Naturopathic medical student, needless to say she is gung ho about homeopathic remedies and doing everything possible to avoid using drugs and surgery to treat an affliction. One conversation we were having was about whether or not vitamin C and echinacea employment was supeorior to that of a vaccine in fortifying ones immune system from viruses. I reasoned that the immune system learns best from experience, and that it would be better equipt to fight off a viral attack if it had already seen the viral protiens before (or in the case of influenza a close variation of the proteins from the season before). She disagreed and thought that vitimin C and echinacea were better for the patient and more effective (not sure where she got her information from, I interpreted it as conjecture).

Just curious about what everyone else opinions are and if there is any empirical evidence that demonstrates why a vaccine would be better than a more naturopathic approach.

 

[Cuongoff]

Did you ask her how Vitamin C and echinacea works to fortify one's immune system better than a vaccine? The specific details of it all? This is why MDs and DOs are full physicians able to practice in all 50 states. We use evidence based medicine and practices.

I said "we" as if I'm already a physician hahaha

 

[FSU2013]

I have a good feeling about this thread.....

 

[SpecterGT260]

One of my colleagues is a Naturopathic medical student, needless to say she is gung ho about homeopathic remedies and doing everything possible to avoid using drugs and surgery to treat an affliction. One conversation we were having was about whether or not vitamin C and echinacea employment was supeorior to that of a vaccine in fortifying ones immune system from viruses. I reasoned that the immune system learns best from experience, and that it would be better equipt to fight off a viral attack if it had already seen the viral protiens before (or in the case of influenza a close variation of the proteins from the season before). She disagreed and thought that vitimin C and echinacea were better for the patient and more effective (not sure where she got her information from, I interpreted it as conjecture).

Just curious about what everyone else opinions are and if there is any empirical evidence that demonstrates why a vaccine would be better than a more naturopathic approach.

Ask her if she has ANY peer reviewed evidence that supports her view. Hint:there is not.

I'm sorry, but ND is not medicine. These people simply made up some "facts" awhile back and pretend that memorizing a bunch of unsupported or outright disproven garbage is doctorate level training.

Diet, nutrition, and the like are valid and important pursuits. Homeopathy is intellectually insulting on many levels. Their adherence to natural modalities is a danger to those who are truly sick. This is why they aren't recognized in most states and I don't think they have hospital rights in the states they do have legal recognition in. They are glorified dieticians, except I like dieticians.

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[SpecterGT260]

I have a good feeling about this thread.....

That makes one of us 😀

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[mcloaf]

if there is any empirical evidence that demonstrates why a vaccine would be better than a more naturopathic approach.

Empirical evidence about vaccines? Seems pretty far-fetched to me...

 

[911 Turbo]

 

[911 Turbo]

I can confirm I was echinacea

 

[487806]

One of my colleagues is a Naturopathic medical student, needless to say she is gung ho about homeopathic remedies and doing everything possible to avoid using drugs and surgery to treat an affliction. One conversation we were having was about whether or not vitamin C and echinacea employment was supeorior to that of a vaccine in fortifying ones immune system from viruses. I reasoned that the immune system learns best from experience, and that it would be better equipt to fight off a viral attack if it had already seen the viral protiens before (or in the case of influenza a close variation of the proteins from the season before). She disagreed and thought that vitimin C and echinacea were better for the patient and more effective (not sure where she got her information from, I interpreted it as conjecture).

Just curious about what everyone else opinions are and if there is any empirical evidence that demonstrates why a vaccine would be better than a more naturopathic approach.

Here we go again....

 

[iTariqPreMD]

Did you ask her how Vitamin C and echinacea works to fortify one's immune system better than a vaccine? The specific details of it all? This is why MDs and DOs are full physicians able to practice in all 50 states. We use evidence based medicine and practices.

I said "we" as if I'm already a physician hahaha

I mean, I've heard things about the benefits of vitamin C and its role in strengthening the immune system by stimulating the production of interferon, but to postulate that it does so in such a manner as to completely replace vaccines was preposterous, and no she couldn't give me any empirical proof of this. It simply does t make scientific sense.

She intensified my belief that ND's are frauds having the nerve to call themselves doctors. Making statements like that wouldn't even make them good biologists at my school.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I mean, I've heard things about the benefits of vitamin C and its role in strengthening the immune system by stimulating the production of interferon, but to postulate that it does so in such a manner as to completely replace vaccines was preposterous, and no she couldn't give me any empirical proof of this. It simply does t make scientific sense.

She intensified my belief that ND's are frauds having the nerve to call themselves doctors. Making statements like that wouldn't even make them good biologists at my school.

I'm not even aware of papers that prove the immune link. Its basically an old wives tale. Most people get 100% of what they need or more anyways and the rest is wasted. There just isn't a vitC shortage in this country.

Vaccines have documented and measured effects at the test tube, organism, and population levels. There isn't even room to argue by anyone who has any idea how the human body actually works.

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[iTariqPreMD]

I'm not even aware of papers that prove the immune link. Its basically an old wives tale. Most people get 100% of what they need or more anyways and the rest is wasted. There just isn't a vitC shortage in this country.

Vaccines have documented and measured effects at the test tube, organism, and population levels. There isn't even room to argue by anyone who has any idea how the human body actually works.

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Thank you!

So that begs the question: why are we allowing people to go to school, wasting time and money, to learn "medicine" that is sub par to what we already have? Its like an energetically unfavorable process occurring again and again. Just doesn't make sense!!

 

[MedPR]

I have a good feeling about this thread.....

Same.

That makes one of us 😀

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Two of us 😀

 

[SpecterGT260]

Thank you!

So that begs the question: why are we allowing people to go to school, wasting time and money, to learn "medicine" that is sub par to what we already have? Its like an energetically unfavorable process occurring again and again. Just doesn't make sense!!

They are free to do anything they want with their money and time. But this is why they are not licensed to practice medicine.

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[MedPR]

Thank you!

So that begs the question: why are we allowing people to go to school, wasting time and money, to learn "medicine" that is sub par to what we already have? Its like an energetically unfavorable process occurring again and again. Just doesn't make sense!!

Because money.

 

[music2doc]

Thank you!

So that begs the question: why are we allowing people to go to school, wasting time and money, to learn "medicine" that is sub par to what we already have? Its like an energetically unfavorable process occurring again and again. Just doesn't make sense!!

The same reason Jenny McCarthy is still allowed to speak on vaccination. The American public is generally stupid. They throw their money at whatever sounds like something they would like to hear. NDs spout a doctrine that sounds good to people told by their physicians that they cannot be cured or a loved one cannot be (or was not) cured, etc. We're training witch doctors -- literally -- but they fill a need people have to be given something for their illness no matter whether or not the "treatment" has any inherent power to make a difference.

 

[iTariqPreMD]

They are free to do anything they want with their money and time. But this is why they are not licensed to practice medicine.

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Ummm I'm pretty sure some of that money is ours! ND students get financial aid too.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Ummm I'm pretty sure some of that money is ours! ND students get financial aid too.

Privately. I don't think they get federal aid.... maybe they do, bc I think the chiros do. But they have to pay it back with interest. So..... they can do what they want

Student financial aid follows you even through bankruptcy so as long as they collect a paycheck the payer will get reimbursed.

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[487806]

Two of us 😀

Four of us. 😀

 

[iTariqPreMD]

Its just frustrating because shes a 3rd year with this type of understanding of immunology! Running around calling herself doctor! Its a scary prospect, her practicing. I guess shes not going to be the only incompetent medical care provider.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Its just frustrating because shes a 3rd year with this type of understanding of immunology! Running around calling herself doctor! Its a scary prospect, her practicing. I guess shes not going to be the only incompetent medical care provider.

She won't be. They only have Rx rights in 6 states and even then it is limited. They don't get hospital rights that I have ever heard, so she can open a vitamin and herb shop and call herself doctor and put her stethoscope in backwards to check out a patient before prescribing some grass clippings and an implied "go see a real doctor when this gets worse". With her strong and misinformed opinions she will likely get sued at some point for really hurting someone..... unless its another crazy who goes to the hospital when it is too little too late and then they sue the real docs.... that happens some times 🙁

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[Nymphicus]

This article gives a good summary of naturopathy.

A Close Look at Naturopathy
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Naturopathy/naturopathy.html

 

[SpecterGT260]

Love that guy.

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[touchpause13]

You know what they call "alternative medicine" that works? Medicine"

-Tim Michin

 

[Perrotfish]

Privately. I don't think they get federal aid.... maybe they do, bc I think the chiros do.

Yup. When the federal government got involved in the student loan market all of a sudden you could get a loan for ANYTHING, and schools suddenly oppened for EVERYTING. And you can't discharge the debt in bankruptcy.

 

[MedPR]

Vitamin C keeps you from getting sick. If it didn't, how could Airborne be legit? Oh wait...

 

[def1]

I just came in here to say that oscillococcinum always makes me feel better when I feel like Im getting sick with cold or flu symptoms. But I'm more than willing to admit this could be a placebo affect.

Also I've used ginger to cure nausea. I've read licorice root has been used to treat Hep C in some scientific articles.

So while naturopathic is mostly a bunch of bs. I wouldn't completely disregard the idea that herbs and natural extracts have any benefits.

 

[487806]

I just came in here to say that oscillococcinum always makes me feel better when I feel like Im getting sick with cold or flu symptoms. But I'm more than willing to admit this could be a placebo affect.

Also I've used ginger to cure nausea. I've read licorice root has been used to treat Hep C in some scientific articles.

So while naturopathic is mostly a bunch of bs. I wouldn't completely disregard the idea that herbs and natural extracts have any benefits.

Useful drugs can be synthesized by extracting chemicals from the herbs.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Yup. When the federal government got involved in the student loan market all of a sudden you could get a loan for ANYTHING, and schools suddenly oppened for EVERYTING. And you can't discharge the debt in bankruptcy.

Does the government always guarantee fill COT? I have a friend in a DO school who posted some online fundraiser thing to help her pay tuition. I got the feeling that funds were limited.

I just came in here to say that oscillococcinum always makes me feel better when I feel like Im getting sick with cold or flu symptoms. But I'm more than willing to admit this could be a placebo affect.

Also I've used ginger to cure nausea. I've read licorice root has been used to treat Hep C in some scientific articles.

So while naturopathic is mostly a bunch of bs. I wouldn't completely disregard the idea that herbs and natural extracts have any benefits.

We derive many meds from herbs. "Medicinalized"


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[Perrotfish]

So while naturopathic is mostly a bunch of bs. I wouldn't completely disregard the idea that herbs and natural extracts have any benefits.

When my patients come in with a headache I will commonly give them the bark of a willow tree (asprin). When they have a bacterial infection I will often perscribe them a common mold (penicillin). When they have heart failure I will occasionally administer an extract from the foxglove plant (Digoxin). There are certainly more examples. No one discounts the fact that some plants have medical applications. Every pharm company has botanists scouring the Amazon looking for the next working medicinal plant. However when a plant works as medicine we don't call it natropathy, we call it medicine. Natropathy has, throughout a process of exclusion, become the 'science' of medicinal herbs that don't work.

The main reason for this is that almost any medicine that works can work too much (i.e. you can overdose) or work in the wrong way ( you can have side effects). A natropath who tried to perscribe that kind of drug would find themselves needing to compound it so they knew exactly how much they were giving, and then give it for strict indictions, which would look far too much like medicine for their holistic tastes. If you gave someone with chest pain some foxglove to chew on you wouldn't be a natropath, you'd be a murderer. To give someone teas/leaves with variable dosing you almost have to give drugs that don't work.

 

[yehhhboiii]

"naturopathic medical student"

 

[SpecterGT260]

When my patients come in with a headache I will commonly give them the bark of a willow tree (asprin). When they have a bacterial infection I will often perscribe them a common mold (penicillin). When they have heart failure I will occasionally administer an extract from the foxglove plant (Digoxin). There are certainly more examples. No one discounts the fact that some plants have medical applications. Every pharm company has botanists scouring the Amazon looking for the next working medicinal plant. However when a plant works as medicine we don't call it natropathy, we call it medicine. Natropathy has, throughout a process of exclusion, become the 'science' of medicinal herbs that don't work.

The main reason for this is that almost any medicine that works can work too much (i.e. you can overdose) or work in the wrong way ( you can have side effects). A natropath who tried to perscribe that kind of drug would find themselves needing to compound it so they knew exactly how much they were giving, and then give it for strict indictions. If you gave someone with chest pain some foxglove to chew on you wouldn't be a natropath, you'd be a murderer. To give someone teas/leaves with variable dosing you almost have to give drugs that don't work.

I heart this post.

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[eagles22]

I just came in here to say that oscillococcinum always makes me feel better when I feel like Im getting sick with cold or flu symptoms. But I'm more than willing to admit this could be a placebo affect.

Also I've used ginger to cure nausea. I've read licorice root has been used to treat Hep C in some scientific articles.

So while naturopathic is mostly a bunch of bs. I wouldn't completely disregard the idea that herbs and natural extracts have any benefits.

Oscillococcinum is literally 1 part duck liver to 10^400 parts water - aka pure water. There's more medicine in the tap water than in that. You would need 10^320 universes filled with oscillococcinum to just get 1 molecule of the "active ingredient". This is why homeopathy is looked down upon. Pure placebo effect.

 

[def1]

When my patients come in with a headache I will commonly give them the bark of a willow tree (asprin). When they have a bacterial infection I will often perscribe them a common mold (penicillin). When they have heart failure I will occasionally administer an extract from the foxglove plant (Digoxin). There are certainly more examples. No one discounts the fact that some plants have medical applications. Every pharm company has botanists scouring the Amazon looking for the next working medicinal plant. However when a plant works as medicine we don't call it natropathy, we call it medicine. Natropathy has, throughout a process of exclusion, become the 'science' of medicinal herbs that don't work.

The main reason for this is that almost any medicine that works can work too much (i.e. you can overdose) or work in the wrong way ( you can have side effects). A natropath who tried to perscribe that kind of drug would find themselves needing to compound it so they knew exactly how much they were giving, and then give it for strict indictions, which would look far too much like medicine for their holistic tastes. If you gave someone with chest pain some foxglove to chew on you wouldn't be a natropath, you'd be a murderer. To give someone teas/leaves with variable dosing you almost have to give drugs that don't work.

Aren't most herbal OTC remedies put into pills at specific dosages? I know if I go buy multivitamins they have specific dosages. I'd assume most herbal OTC pills are the same.

I'm not disputing the fact that pharmaceutical companies don't find natural extracts and isolate the medicinal ingredient. But obviously a pharmaceutical company is not going to be able to patent ginger and sell it to patients with nausea. However, there are scientific studies that show ginger works better than placebo for nausea, so thats where Im saying just because you find it in the herbal aisle doesn't mean it doesn't have any benefits.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Aren't most herbal OTC remedies put into pills at specific dosages? I know if I go buy multivitamins they have specific dosages. I'd assume most herbal OTC pills are the same.

I'm not disputing the fact that pharmaceutical companies don't find natural extracts and isolate the medicinal ingredient. But obviously a pharmaceutical company is not going to be able to patent ginger and sell it to patients with nausea. However, there are scientific studies that show ginger works better than placebo for nausea, so thats where Im saying just because you find it in the herbal aisle doesn't mean it doesn't have any benefits.

Ish.

They tend to lack purity details so it is a measured amount of extract that is in the capsule. But it isn't regulated so it is still an arbitrary amount even if you ignore the error in measurement.

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[mcloaf]

Oscillococcinum is literally 1 part duck liver to 10^400 parts water - aka pure water. There's more medicine in the tap water than in that. You would need 10^320 universes filled with oscillococcinum to just get 1 molecule of the "active ingredient". This is why homeopathy is looked down upon. Pure placebo effect.

From wikipedia:

"This is such a high dilution that the final product likely contains not a single molecule of the original liver. Homeopaths claim that the molecules leave an "imprint" in the dilution that causes a healing effect on the body, although there is no evidence that supports this mechanism...."

I chortled.

 

[SpecterGT260]

From wikipedia:

"This is such a high dilution that the final product likely contains not a single molecule of the original liver. Homeopaths claim that the molecules leave an "imprint" in the dilution that causes a healing effect on the body, although there is no evidence that supports this mechanism...."

I chortled.

Water memory

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[IslandStyle808]

When my patients come in with a headache I will commonly give them the bark of a willow tree (asprin). When they have a bacterial infection I will often perscribe them a common mold (penicillin). When they have heart failure I will occasionally administer an extract from the foxglove plant (Digoxin). There are certainly more examples. No one discounts the fact that some plants have medical applications. Every pharm company has botanists scouring the Amazon looking for the next working medicinal plant. However when a plant works as medicine we don't call it natropathy, we call it medicine. Natropathy has, throughout a process of exclusion, become the 'science' of medicinal herbs that don't work.

The main reason for this is that almost any medicine that works can work too much (i.e. you can overdose) or work in the wrong way ( you can have side effects). A natropath who tried to perscribe that kind of drug would find themselves needing to compound it so they knew exactly how much they were giving, and then give it for strict indictions, which would look far too much like medicine for their holistic tastes. If you gave someone with chest pain some foxglove to chew on you wouldn't be a natropath, you'd be a murderer. To give someone teas/leaves with variable dosing you almost have to give drugs that don't work.

I think a better way to term this is that medicine picks up these plants and then looks specifically for the chemicals that work. Then these chemicals are used in the medicines that we take. There is a reason why the treatments are called penicillin and digitoxin you are using the chemical and not the "organism" it came from.

For naturopathic remedies, the treatment is just the entire/part of the plant or animal. Nobody has a clue what the contents of the plant or animal are. As to whether it works or not, who really knows.

In all honest I really don't give a s*** if it is naturopathic or medicine I better see a multitude of good research studies on it or I won't even consider it a treatment. This is all that matters.

 

[def1]

Oscillococcinum is literally 1 part duck liver to 10^400 parts water - aka pure water. There's more medicine in the tap water than in that. You would need 10^320 universes filled with oscillococcinum to just get 1 molecule of the "active ingredient". This is why homeopathy is looked down upon. Pure placebo effect.

Its actually probably mostly sugar. They are really tasty little white balls. Maybe its the sugar curing me 😛

However placebo are not, i think its interesting that there is a statistical difference in the fact that more people feel better taking oscillo than a placebo. And according to the review below it has a small but statistically significant difference in amount of time sick and amount of time it takes to get back to work.

http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?pid=S0021-25712012000100017&script=sci_arttext&tlng=es

 

[music2doc]

Its actually probably mostly sugar. They are really tasty little white balls. Maybe its the sugar curing me 😛

However placebo are not, i think its interesting that there is a statistical difference in the fact that more people feel better taking oscillo than a placebo. And according to the review below it has a small but statistically significant difference in amount of time sick and amount of time it takes to get back to work.

http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?pid=S0021-25712012000100017&script=sci_arttext&tlng=es

Which just means it's a more effective placebo 😉

Probably due to better marketing/higher believability. You can actually evaluate one placebo against another and the way a placebo is administered actually DOES matter...A LOT!

 

[SpecterGT260]

Its actually probably mostly sugar. They are really tasty little white balls. Maybe its the sugar curing me 😛

However placebo are not, i think its interesting that there is a statistical difference in the fact that more people feel better taking oscillo than a placebo. And according to the review below it has a small but statistically significant difference in amount of time sick and amount of time it takes to get back to work.

http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?pid=S0021-25712012000100017&script=sci_arttext&tlng=es

They will drip the solutions on different media from sugar cubes to quick dissolve strips.

Every study I've seen on this has been very poor and biased. I'll read that one tomorrow but I'm not holding my breath.

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[eagles22]

Its actually probably mostly sugar. They are really tasty little white balls. Maybe its the sugar curing me 😛

However placebo are not, i think its interesting that there is a statistical difference in the fact that more people feel better taking oscillo than a placebo. And according to the review below it has a small but statistically significant difference in amount of time sick and amount of time it takes to get back to work.

http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?pid=S0021-25712012000100017&script=sci_arttext&tlng=es

It still doesn't change the fact that there is 0 active ingredient in the product. Sorry to ruin your placebo, but you'll save some money in the future.

 

[SpecterGT260]

How.... how are they getting such low p values when the variance overlaps to such a huge degree in their temps?

I think they mathed wrong.

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[def1]

Which just means it's a more effective placebo 😉

Probably due to better marketing/higher believability. You can actually evaluate one placebo against another and the way a placebo is administered actually DOES matter...A LOT!

lol I mostly just found it interesting. Its not really a great review, and I don't think there is anything in that review that should make doctors start prescribing it lol.

I hope Im not coming off as a defender of these quacks. I think naturopathists are the new snake oil salesmen.

Its just in my experience from reading up different nutrition studies, I have found that there are indeed some natural things that can have good benefits. One thing that I take every day is fish oil pills which have been shown to have a lot of benefits for heart but most important for me is the protective effects they have on the brain. They have been shown to improve memory and protect from damaging effects of brain injury.

I guess my main point, is just because it hasn't been patented by a pharma company doesn't mean its useless. I think we should keep an open mind to things, especially if empirical evidence exists for it.

 

[SpecterGT260]

lol I mostly just found it interesting. Its not really a great review, and I don't think there is anything in that review that should make doctors start prescribing it lol.

I hope Im not coming off as a defender of these quacks. I think naturopathists are the new snake oil salesmen.

Its just in my experience from reading up different nutrition studies, I have found that there are indeed some natural things that can have good benefits. One thing that I take every day is fish oil pills which have been shown to have a lot of benefits for heart but most important for me is the protective effects they have on the brain. They have been shown to improve memory and protect from damaging effects of brain injury.

I guess my main point, is just because it hasn't been patented by a pharma company doesn't mean its useless. I think we should keep an open mind to things, especially if empirical evidence exists for it.

You seem to be confusing a criticism of naturopathy with aversion to natural therapies. Many make this mistake. It isn't the case.

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[BlackSwan]

in b4 janitor vs naturopath vs osteopath

 

[def1]

You seem to be confusing a criticism of naturopathy with aversion to natural therapies. Many make this mistake. It isn't the case.

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Yea and it probably also doesn't help that I like to play devils advocate a lot lol. But it seems we are all on the same page here.

 

[Prettywoman0172]

I am a traditonal midwife (went to an accredited midwifery school, one of only eleven in the US). In addition I have extensive training in homeopathy, botanical medicine, and nutrition. I want to go to medical school (osteopathic or allopathic, doesnt matter to me). I think my previous training and education will be an asset to future patients. I also have a psychology degree and I am pursuing upper level psychology classes in addition to completing the premedical prerequisites (and a biology degree) because I believe, it too, will be an asset to future patients.

Google Aviva Romm. She was (is) a traditional midwife, and homeopathic practioner. She graduated from Yale medical school. She is a doctor now. Yale has asked her to teach.

You shouldnt be so quick to trash something you know nothing about.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Yea and it probably also doesn't help that I like to play devils advocate a lot lol. But it seems we are all on the same page here.

👍 Fair enough. I just see that happening a lot on these forums and even in real life.

Party A: I believe that innocence is a good thing. That is why I blend puppies into smoothies and drink them at breakfast.
Party B: That is an awful thing to do to puppies
The mind of Party A: He disagrees with me? My thesis was innocence=good. He hates innocence. He is a rapist!
Party A: OMG you disgust me!
Party B and all sane people: 😕😕😕 (yes, there are only 3 sane people in this hypothetical situation)


I've always maintained in these threads that I think there is good in many of the things these alternative practitioners do but that they dilute it out with all of this nonsense, and unfortunately it doesn't work like homeopathy here. I think Touchpause nailed it with her quote "What do you call alternative medicine that works? 'Medicine' " - Some dude she cited.

Medicine is in the business of helping and healing people. Alternativists are in the business of saying they will while running a business and catering and pandering to their own belief systems. Medicine will abandon its beliefs if shown to be wrong while the alternativists will fight tooth and nail to re-prove themselves right. And then we get papers like the one you posted where the math simply...... simply can't. I wanna take a closer look at it today if I get a minute, but what I saw there was either very creative number fudging or combos to make it look right, blatant lying, or a severe misunderstanding of how this work is supposed to be done.

 

[theseeker4]

I am a traditonal midwife (went to an accredited midwifery school, one of only eleven in the US). In addition I have extensive training in homeopathy, botanical medicine, and nutrition. I want to go to medical school (osteopathic or allopathic, doesnt matter to me). I think my previous training and education will be an asset to future patients. I also have a psychology degree and I am pursuing upper level psychology classes in addition to completing the premedical prerequisites (and a biology degree) because I believe, it too, will be an asset to future patients.

Google Aviva Romm. She was (is) a traditional midwife, and homeopathic practioner. She graduated from Yale medical school. She is a doctor now. Yale has asked her to teach.

You shouldnt be so quick to trash something you know nothing about.

Actually, anyone who knows "anything about" basic science, physics, and chemistry (I am talking high school level here) can tell you why homeopathy is complete and utter bunk. It has already been explained above. If you have actual scientific evidence or scientific methods that explain how homeopathy would work, by all means share them here, I am as open as anyone else to new methods of treatment, provided they are actually based on science, facts, and evidence. Appeals to authority and "you don't have extensive training in homeopathy like I do, so you don't know what you are talking about" don't cut it in the scientific world, sorry.👎