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Hannah Reynolds

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So I'm applying to vet schools this year, but mainly DVM/PhD programs. I've talked to the director of the program at NCSU and he said that while I'm what they're looking for for the Dual-Program, due to my non-resident status and 3.5 GPA I most likely would not get in. I just looked at some stuff on their website and it appears that that is probably true, for the 2011 admission cycle no non-resident was admitted with lower than a 3.66. Last semester I got a 3.95 which brought me up to a 3.57, but I'm still off from that. I got a 1450 on the GRE (790Q and 660V) and have probably 2000 hours of veterinary experience and upwards of 5000 animal experience (at least, I lived and worked on a farm junior year and grew up on a farm). I also have at least 600 hours research experience. Anyone have any insight?
 
So I'm applying to vet schools this year, but mainly DVM/PhD programs. I've talked to the director of the program at NCSU and he said that while I'm what they're looking for for the Dual-Program, due to my non-resident status and 3.5 GPA I most likely would not get in. I just looked at some stuff on their website and it appears that that is probably true, for the 2011 admission cycle no non-resident was admitted with lower than a 3.66. Last semester I got a 3.95 which brought me up to a 3.57, but I'm still off from that. I got a 1450 on the GRE (790Q and 660V) and have probably 2000 hours of veterinary experience and upwards of 5000 animal experience (at least, I lived and worked on a farm junior year and grew up on a farm). I also have at least 600 hours research experience. Anyone have any insight?

Sorry, but I'm not sure what you're asking...

If the director of the program says you will most likely not get in, why would we know/be able to offer you any different outcome? If you want to apply, go ahead and apply. I believe NCSU will put you into the regular applicant pool if you are denied DVM/PhD so there's always that as a backup, which you would probably be competitive for, given your GRE, research, and vet exp. However, I have absolutely no idea and am just basing this off of similar advice given by others. Good luck in whatever you decide!
 
Hey, I'm a non-resident who will be starting NCSU in August. Although I think your other stats are pretty good, the person you talked to was right in saying that your GPA is your weaker point. It's true that the non-residents have high GPAs. It's also true that 500 out of state people applied, and they only take 18 of us, even with the class size increasing to 100 (instead of 80) for the upcoming cycle. The DVM/PhD program only takes 1-2 students each year. So, quite honestly, you need to be very excellent in all areas to get into NCSU as a non-resident, as well as stand out in a particular area.

Now, all of that said, I want to say a few things. First of all, I strongly encourage you to apply to NCSU, because I think your stats are pretty good, especially your GRE (you rocked that test)! Especially if you have some kind of unique veterinary experience that makes you stand out, then apply and don't let the numbers deter you. For some reason when I was applying to NCSU I didn't realize they took so few OOS people...but I'm also glad I didn't know, because I probably would have just ruled it out immediately otherwise! Now, the other thing I wanted to say is that you can still enter the DVM/PhD program once you get into vet school. When I was applying, I didn't know about the DVM/PhD program, and when I learned about it, I felt like I had missed my chance to apply for the program. However, I was just at the school a few days ago speaking with a student who is in it, and she told me that you can apply as a second year DVM student, and that the people from the program are actually starting to prefer those applicants over the traditional applicants because they are sure that a PhD is the right route for them. With the "traditional" way the program is set up, you apply to the DVM/PhD program, get in, spend your first year working toward your PhD, then do 4 years of vet school, then spend 2-3 more years finishing the PhD. If you enter the program during vet school, it works like this: first two years are spent in the DVM program, then you spend 3 years getting the PhD, then you finish your last 2 years of vet school.

So if you have your heart set on NCSU's DVM/PhD program but don't think you could necessarily get in with your stats, you might want to apply to just the DVM program, then apply to the DVM/PhD program during your second year of vet school (they still only take 1-2 students for it each year, whether they are the traditional applicants or second year vet students, but you might have a better shot showing you can handle the rigors of vet school and/or your vet school GPA might be higher than your current GPA). Hope this helps and good luck! You can PM me if you have more questions about getting in to NCSU as an OOS person. 🙂
 
It's also true that 500 out of state people applied, and they only take 18 of us, even with the class size increasing to 100 (instead of 80) for the upcoming cycle.

Wait, really? I hadn't heard about this.
 
Wait, really? I hadn't heard about this.

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/studentservices/documents/FAQ_DVM2011ApplicantReviewSession.pdf

^^^Slide 7/20 for the number of OOS people that have applied.^^^ That link isn't really for you Alhazred, cuz I know you know our class stats, but it's for the benefit of other potential NCSU students reading this thread.

When I spoke with our Student Services Office back in January when I visiting to decide whether to attend NCSU, they told me that they only take 18 of us because that's the max number of OOS people that they can afford to support (since our tuition is 22K greater than the IS people, and they need to provide federal loans for the entire cost of tuition). They said that even though they are going to increase the class size, they are going to keep the number of OOS students the same because they don't think they can get more funding for OOS people. Of course, this is just hearsay, but that is what they told me as an OOS accepted student. Perhaps they will be able to fund a few more OOS students and that number will go up!
 
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