Need Some Useful Advice

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Hey Dr. Inviz, for some reason I've been on this forum more than usual the last week or so and I can't help but to notice the many sarcastic and sometimes crude remarks that you've made recently. As someone who communicates with people often for work it does irritate me somewhat to know that a person in a pre-professional forum talks to others like that and quite often from what I've seen. Regardless, if you seriously need advice and believe that the right advice will help you move forward in life then I will offer what I have from personal experience, but don't expect any sugarcoating from me.

First of all, be grateful for what you have already. And in particular the interviews that you have received and been on. I don't have the exact stats but the rate of acceptance after interviewing is many times higher than before getting an interview invite. If you are already 75% to 90% done with the application process at any school, why would you even consider quitting at this crucial point? All you have to do is sit back and wait to hear, there are no forms to fill out at that point if I'm not mistaken. Let's see, if you go on interviews you have the opportunity to sell yourself (in a wholesome way hopefully) and maybe check out the school and see if the students, faculty, and campus is right for you. While on the otherhand if you don't go then the chances of you getting another invite from the same school for the next year is pretty low and they will likely assume that what is on your bad pre-med letter is true. You've already invested time and money into this cycle, see it to the end and don't even consider quitting until it is late Feb or March when you know the schools are not interviewing anymore and you can get started on a new Personal statement and studying for the MCAT. Who knows, you may even get in an not have to worry about reapplying at all.

Second, the MCAT. Contrary to popular belief, aceing bio, chem, orgo and physics will not guarantee a 30+ on the test. It is its own thing with its own type of questions and the more familiar you are with the testing format the better you will do on the test. I HIGHLY recommend buying a set of the ExamKrackers Study books, ALL of them. And if you have time, buy the extra 1001 questions for each section and do as much as you can. I personally recommend BUYING the 1001 VERBAL questions book and doing EVERY passage in it (As it is the MOST IMPORTANT section on the test). I took the MCAT once in college after a Kaplan course and got a very good score (30 R), unfortunately it expired before I was able to use it. 3 years later I had to retake and using only the books as a study guide and spending a considerable amount of time studying I did just slightly better than my first time. From what I know there are much more dates you can take the test and the test will be shorter in the future so hopefully you can use that flexibility to your advantage. As for turning down any type of acceptance from any MD or DO school if you later get a 30+ or 40+ on the MCAT , if you do that you should withdraw from SDN (😉 ).

As for family issues, take this with a grain of salt because my family has been supportive for the most part. Plus they are also not native English speakers so they don't have the best grasp of what applying to med-school consists of so I tend to leave them in the dark if I think it'll be easier for me. It sounds like you family is having issues due to illness and probably just frustration due to that and as well as you applying to schools and possibly moving away. From an outsider's point of view it seems like you are conflicted because your father wants you to get into school, not matter where (though MD preferably), while you mother wants you to stay close to home to help take care of your father. Now this is about you, do you feel that you would better serve yourself (first) and your family by remaning close geographically no matter what the situation is, whether you are in school or not, or do you think that you would be better off getting into a med program and becoming a doctor even though you may be away for a few years, though after being established you may be able to help your parents with medical advice and money? It is a tough call but one that you must make for yourself. If you stay at home but can't get into school ever, that may build resentment for the rest of your life. Keep in mind that med-school is very intense so whether you are in the same city and state as your parents or whether you are across the country, you will have to study several hours each school night and during the weekends as well. Free time for family and friends as a med-student is a luxury not everyone can easily afford. The hardest part, and the one you should concentrate on still, is just getting in.

The last subject I will touch on is your pre-med letter that seems like a death sentence for your application. If you have gotten 3 interview invites then it may not be as bad as you think it is. With the way you described your relationship with your pre-med advisor, it would seem like she would either not write a letter for you at all or have ONLY negative things to say about you. I highly doubt that you would be getting any interview invites if this was the case. More likely, the letter has some good and some bad and she left it up to the schools to decide whether you are worth interviewing. I can tell you right now that speaking ill of anyone at an interview is pretty much the same as shooting yourself in the foot in terms of getting an acceptance. You definitely need to defend yourself but there are ways around that that does not involve putting down any specific person or institute. You wrote a bunch of conflicting instances between you and the pre-med advisor, and after reading it, it sounds like just a bunch of misunderstandings but you also come across as a whiner. Seriously. If she claimed you were "unprofessional" in the letter and at your interview you quickly disregard that and ACT "professional" then the letter will go away on its own. Nitpicking every detail of every instance on the otherhand... well it sort of proves her point no matter how exaggerating she may have been. (there is always the option of using an outside service to gather and send your letters so that the one from the pre-med advisor will not be included, this is risky but I am sure some SDN'ers have had success with it, perhaps they can tell you more about it)

Anyways, I don't think my post can be any longer. Do with this info what you will. It is mainly from personal experience (25 yrs. old, applied 3X, took MCAT twice, it's been 4 years since getting my BS) and from the advice of people much older and wiser than me. You are still young which is an advantage in some ways but it seems like you have some tough choices to make. Mature a little, stop spending too much time on SDN and focus on the issues you need to fix in your life. We rather hear your success stories as well as the helpful advice that you can give rather than a bunch of remarks that may be just stemming from personal frustration.

regards,
TerpDO



This is one of the longest posts I have seen....Wow! Good advice, nevertheless.
 
LOL! Of course I am right. I am always right. Don't you know that by now? HA! Just kidding.😉 :laugh: :meanie: Of course, no offense taken. It is always good to get others's opinions.👍 😀

you rock doctormom😍 😍
must be fun to be your husband 😉 :laugh:

dr.inviz
I think you should have a sit down with your family...seriously.
It seems like on the one side they are pushing you into being a doctor 'fast' but on the other they are trying to keep you away from it.
A good old talk always helps.
You have spent the money and time for this cycle already so don't waste it. Do your best and if you get in then go for it.
On the other side you can alwasy defer for 1 year if you get in into out of state school. Maybe during that one year your family situation will clear up a little and you will be good to go.
But don't resign right now...you made it so far it would be like giving up 3 feet before the finish line.
If you don't get in then study your a$$ off for the MCAT and apply again.
:luck:
 
you rock doctormom😍 😍
must be fun to be your husband 😉 :laugh:

dr.inviz
I think you should have a sit down with your family...seriously.
It seems like on the one side they are pushing you into being a doctor 'fast' but on the other they are trying to keep you away from it.
A good old talk always helps.
You have spent the money and time for this cycle already so don't waste it. Do your best and if you get in then go for it.
On the other side you can alwasy defer for 1 year if you get in into out of state school. Maybe during that one year your family situation will clear up a little and you will be good to go.
But don't resign right now...you made it so far it would be like giving up 3 feet before the finish line.
If you don't get in then study your a$$ off for the MCAT and apply again.
:luck:

sounds like a good idea. i'll do that when i go home this weekend prior to my DCOM interview. My parents did tell me I should consider pharmacy, and I told them if im 30 and not in med school by then, then .. I will. :laugh:

Thanks for the post, much appreciated babe.
 
sounds like a good idea. i'll do that when i go home this weekend prior to my DCOM interview. My parents did tell me I should consider pharmacy, and I told them if im 30 and not in med school by then, then .. I will. :laugh:

Thanks for the post, much appreciated babe.

well all i can say is that your parents are not the ones who will have to live with this decission for another 40+ years...so you have to make it clear that it is for YOU to decide what you want to do in life and which school you will attend.
It is not easy to get into med school. And it would be 'rediculous' if you got in to out of state school and wouldn't go just because of your parents.
I don't know the exact situation but is sounds like they are trying to control your every move ( i am sure they mean to do what is best for you) and are a little selfish while doing so.

You should make it clear to them.
After all i don't think they would want you to be unhappy because they pushed you into somethign you never wanted to do.
Just my 2 cents:luck:
 
you rock doctormom😍 😍
must be fun to be your husband 😉 :laugh:

dr.inviz
I think you should have a sit down with your family...seriously.
It seems like on the one side they are pushing you into being a doctor 'fast' but on the other they are trying to keep you away from it.
A good old talk always helps.
You have spent the money and time for this cycle already so don't waste it. Do your best and if you get in then go for it.
On the other side you can alwasy defer for 1 year if you get in into out of state school. Maybe during that one year your family situation will clear up a little and you will be good to go.
But don't resign right now...you made it so far it would be like giving up 3 feet before the finish line.
If you don't get in then study your a$$ off for the MCAT and apply again.
:luck:


LOL! My husband knows how everything words around here. But, I will say that it took the good part of the last eight years to train him that way. Muahaha!:meanie: :laugh: 😉

Good advice! Dr. Inviz has a tendency to be too negative. He needs to think happy thoughts like cookies and flowers and the glass being half full and all that stuff. Stay positive, stick with it, etc. In the end, it is Dr. Inviz who has to live with this decision for the rest of your life. I think Dr. Inviz would be very happy at DCOM throwing spit balls at me as I ask my incessant questions from the front row.😀
 
LOL! My husband knows how everything words around here. But, I will say that it took the good part of the last eight years to train him that way. Muahaha!:meanie: :laugh: 😉

Good advice! Dr. Inviz has a tendency to be too negative. He needs to think happy thoughts like cookies and flowers and the glass being half full and all that stuff. Stay positive, stick with it, etc. In the end, it is Dr. Inviz who has to live with this decision for the rest of your life. I think Dr. Inviz would be very happy at DCOM throwing spit balls at me as I ask my incessant questions from the front row.😀

:laugh:
i wish i could be your classmate...
It would be fun😀
 
:laugh:
i wish i could be your classmate...
It would be fun😀


Dr kicia,

Don't worry next year you and me and Megaboo and msheaddoc will be joiniong Doctormom at DCOM.

GIRLS RULE! Partaaaay on the Cumberland!! WOOOOT!!!

:laugh: :meanie: 😀 😛
 
Dr kicia,

Don't worry next year you and me and Megaboo and msheaddoc will be joiniong Doctormom at DCOM.

GIRLS RULE! Partaaaay on the Cumberland!! WOOOOT!!!

:laugh: :meanie: 😀 😛

well..while i wouldn't mind to go to DCOM if i get CCOM acceptance i will be set😀

But first we need to kill the MCRAP:scared:
 
well..while i wouldn't mind to go to DCOM if i get CCOM acceptance i will be set😀

But first we need to kill the MCRAP:scared:

Don't worry we will beat the MCRAP like a dusty rug! 😀
 
well..while i wouldn't mind to go to DCOM if i get CCOM acceptance i will be set😀

But first we need to kill the MCRAP:scared:

heh, sounds like a crazy all-female orgy in the brew ...

if you go to DCOM, I'd consider it heavily ... oh wait, nvm.
 
be careful, easier said than done.


Positive thinking Dr Inviz, positive thinking (and ALLLLLOTTTTT of studying)!👍

*sending Dr I positive thinking vibs so he will smoke his interviews and get that fat envelope!*
😛
 
Positive thinking Dr Inviz, positive thinking (and ALLLLLOTTTTT of studying)!👍

*sending Dr I positive thinking vibs so he will smoke his interviews and get that fat envelope!*
😛

as of now i am heavily relaying on that
:laugh:
i am starting to hardcore studying next weekend...:scared:
The only thing that i am optimistic about is that i just took orgo1 and phys1 and am taking part 2 of each this semester plus i am repeating genchem2 which is basicly leaving me pretty much fresh and able just to concentrate on practice...this should save me a lot of time i would have to spend on the reviewing part otherwise.

so yeah my glass is half full:laugh:
 
This is one of the longest posts I have seen....Wow! Good advice, nevertheless.

Yeah I don't know what is wrong with me, still it is honest and if it helps the OP or anyone else then I'm glad I spent the time on it. Anyways it sounds like a few people in this thread are taking the MCAT soon, good luck and let us know how the shorter version is (you bastards!).
 
Dr kicia,

Don't worry next year you and me and Megaboo and msheaddoc will be joiniong Doctormom at DCOM.

GIRLS RULE! Partaaaay on the Cumberland!! WOOOOT!!!

:laugh: :meanie: 😀 😛

YAY! Sounds fabulous!!!! Can't wait. Wow, would we have some fun!:laugh: 👍 :clap: :hardy:
 
:laugh:
i wish i could be your classmate...
It would be fun😀

Definitely fun! Well, if that doesn't work out, maybe we can work together someday. At the absolute least, we can meet up at the big osteopathic conference that was in Vegas this year and party then.😀 👍
 
heh, sounds like a crazy all-female orgy in the brew ...

if you go to DCOM, I'd consider it heavily ... oh wait, nvm.


Ha! I am not reason enough?!?! LOL! :laugh: :meanie: But, you would have so much fun with those spitballs. 😉
 
Them's fightin' words! LOL! :meanie: :laugh:


Just wait, I am getting in shape for OMM lab. Better watch out!😉 😀

better start taking Hydroxycut .. it is endorsed by fellow DO Jon Marshall 😉
 
better start taking Hydroxycut .. it is endorsed by fellow DO Jon Marshall 😉


LMAO! No, that's ok. I will just do it my way. I don't want to drop dead or anything.😀
 
LMAO! No, that's ok. I will just do it my way. I don't want to drop dead or anything.😀

so you are calling Jon Marshall, DO a fraud ... ouch. hes my hero, scratch that, House, MD is ...
 
so you are calling Jon Marshall, DO a fraud ... ouch. hes my hero, scratch that, House, MD is ...

Yea, you seem to share a lot of similarities with him.:meanie:

BTW, why are we not talking on the open IM instead of here. :laugh: I am getting tired and need to go to sleep.😴
 
Definitely fun! Well, if that doesn't work out, maybe we can work together someday. At the absolute least, we can meet up at the big osteopathic conference that was in Vegas this year and party then.😀 👍

OMG that would so nice😀
well if DCOM offers me interview next cycle i will go there for sure, even if i will get accepted to CCOM...you never know:laugh:
so i hope you will be the person giving me a campus tour 😀
 
OMG that would so nice😀
well if DCOM offers me interview next cycle i will go there for sure, even if i will get accepted to CCOM...you never know:laugh:
so i hope you will be the person giving me a campus tour 😀

i'd give you the tour ...
 
ok😀
but only in presence of doctormom 😉😛

LMAO! If you come to campus, I will give you the tour. You have to watch out for Dr. Inviz. He is a sneaky one. 😉 😀
 
heh...i think you would prefere presence of doctormom vs MY boyfriend:laugh: ...though he is an awsome person😀

who says i wanna date you ... so conceited ...

:meanie:
 
im sure you weren't .. dont worry, nobody has to know ...
i am very content with what i have as of now...but thanks for the proposition
U crack me up...i am sure doctormom is laughing too

:laugh:
 
LMAO! If you come to campus, I will give you the tour. You have to watch out for Dr. Inviz. He is a sneaky one. 😉 😀

👍 Fabulous! Honestly, I hope to be really involved with that sort of thing at DCOM, so hopefully you will see me sometime next fall. 😀


I want a tour TOO!!! 🙁
 
I want a tour TOO!!! 🙁

interesting proposition ... i'll take it into consideration, since docmom will be too busy playin ambassador to all the other applicants ...

i, dr. inviz, solemnly swear to provide a ms. sunnyjohn a tour to dcom on the contingency that i choose to attend dcom, which is on the contingency that they ignore what is on the premed letter ...

heh.
 
interesting proposition ... i'll take it into consideration, since docmom will be too busy playin ambassador to all the other applicants ...

i, dr. inviz, solemnly swear to provide a ms. sunnyjohn a tour to dcom on the contingency that i choose to attend dcom, which is on the contingency that they ignore what is on the premed letter ...

heh.


Dude,

You gonna get in. Stay calm, be yourself and turn on the charm. Heck even though you argue with folks here about DCOM they all STILL like you and want you as a classmate.

Pre-med committee letter be dammned. I'm pullin' for you. 25 years from now you're gonna be chief of surgery at Columbia after a kick-butt residency at Mayo.

Yep in a couple of years folks will be crawlin' over themsleves to get into DCOM after this bunch gets in and kicks butt! (...and Yes, I DO consider myself part of that bunch even it I'm not up for a year or two).
 
Dude,

You gonna get in. Stay calm, be yourself and turn on the charm. Heck even though you argue with folks here about DCOM they all STILL like you and want you as a classmate. -- Amazing isnt it ...

Pre-med committee letter be dammned. I'm pullin' for you. 25 years from now you're gonna be chief of surgery at Columbia after a kick-butt residency at Mayo.

Yep in a couple of years folks will be crawlin' over themsleves to get into DCOM after this bunch gets in and kicks butt! (...and Yes, I DO consider myself part of that bunch even it I'm not up for a year or two).



That is the plan, wouldn't mind Mayo and then Columbia. Mayo has been my dream residency for years. The surgeon I shadow is a world-class thoracic surgeon who also did his residency at Mayo ...

Because of this, DMU has become an intriguing option too ... but, I believe I may have applied too late for that school ...
 
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