Needs professional/final year med student's opinion on autopsy analysis

[Kasume]

First, If you are not going to take this seriously, or have no good input, or don't care about this discussion, then PLEASE LEAVE NOW.

I just want to say, it has been over a year since the death of Michael Jackson, and fans from all over the world are still searching for answers. And one thing we have been doing, is disecting his autopsy report inside and out.

A fan (unnamed) has spoken with a friend who is a doctor and who has a great deal of knowledge of Michael's autopsy report, this person has noticed something that contradicts Dr. Murray's timeline and even shows that propofol was not the last drug given to Michael, and that may strongly imply premeditated murder. But we need the opinion of another, a professional for this, and any word from even a few final year med students would be greatly appreciated at this point, and maybe even from their tutors. We need to know if we are missing something in the picture or not.

Here is the link to Michael Jackson's autopsy report.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/09/michael.jackson.autopsy/index.htmlhttp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html

Here is the timeline Murray gave of the drugs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100620/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_final_hours

At around 1:30 a.m. on Thursday, June 25, he again tried this approach, giving Jackson a 10-milligram Valium tablet. The anti-anxiety medication had no immediate effect and about a half hour later, the doctor gave 2 milligrams of lorazepam, another medication from the same family as Valium, administered through a saline drip.
When Jackson remained awake, Murray administered a 2-milligram dose of midazolam, another sedative, at 3 a.m., then another 2 milligrams of lorazepam at 5 a.m.
By 7:30 a.m., Jackson remained awake. Murray told police he injected another 2 milligrams of midazolam into Jackson's drip.
Still, Jackson could not sleep.
He lay restlessly on the white sheets of his renaissance-style double bed with a curlicued headboard. Beside him, investigators would later find a porcelain doll in the likeness of a little blond boy. Several oxygen bottles were by the door and on the night stand beside the bed was a stack of DVDs, including children's films.
Authorities would also note how untidy and warm Jackson's living quarters were. Jackson kept his inner sanctum fully heated, even though it was early summer in Los Angeles.
___ After experiencing a sleepless night, Murray said Jackson made repeated demands for propofol, a white liquid drug he sometimes would refer to as his "milk." Around 10:40 a.m. Thursday, Murray said he gave in to Jackson's demands and pushed 25 milligrams of the substance into Jackson's drip. sidenot from me: (and we know according to autopsy that MORE than 25 milligrams was found in Michael's body)

Murray remained with the sedated singer for about 10 minutes, then left for the bathroom, the affidavit stated. Less than two minutes later, Murray returned — and found Jackson not breathing.

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Now here is what someone with much knowledge of the autopsy report found . This doctor is about 95% sure this is what happened. Here is where we need someone elses opinion. (all names are anonymous at this moment)

It would be nice if someone could give us an analysis.

..I haxe been talking to someone has who much legal knowledge about the autopsy report. OK here goes...If we look at the tox report that the cornonor fill out....we can see that laprazam was found in Michael...the laprozam was found where?.....It was found in Michael's heart blood AND his FEMAL blood.....the femal blood is his leg blood..the ivy was in Michael's leg....The proprofol was administered to Michael BEFORE the Laprazam. The laprazam was STILL present in his femal.(leg).blood.. The Propfol had already posioned Michael system ...WHY would Murray give Michael...( and that's what he did)... Laprazam AFTER Micheal was already asleep. The report shows that Michael was ALREADY gone...because his heart NEVER curculated the Laprazam So when the report says proprolol intoxicaion...with benzo attribute...they are talking about the Lazprozam or (however you say it). LaproZam hinders resperation....so in Michael's case....it was the propofol...poisoning him....he was given the stuff in a bolus...the tox report shows large quantity as we know.

it was NEVER circulated through Michael's heart blood.it was a large about and still stayed in his leg blood also If Michael was still alive when he gave it to him it would of circulated through his heart blood and we would of never found it in his leg still.

Agree. This could be analyzed in a new thread.

However, consider these facts? An I.V., whether in a leg or arm, is inserted into a VEIN. Not an artery. The femoral artery is the large artery that carries blood FROM the heart to the lower body (and not the reverse). Hence, any lorazepam (sp?) found there would have come FROM the heart, but not as a residual drug from an I.V., which would have been in a vein.

Veins return blood TO the heart. Arteries carry blood AWAY from the heart to circulate through the body.

However, the amount of the drug found in the heart might indicate that his heart was not circulating blood anymore when the drug arrived there?

I need to think alot more on this. But my question is this. How do you know the Propofol was given first? And Ativan (lorazepam) has a very LONG half life.

i think she's saying that b/c the drug was found and in such high concentrations of it, and they did attribute the benzos to his death, that it means his heart didn't beat for too much longer after he was given the drug, if it had like he claimed, been given hours upon hours later, then it wouldn't be as present as it was.

I found this is some research


Definition of Femoral artery
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Femoral artery: A large artery that starts in the lower abdomen and goes down into the thigh The femoral artery starts as a continuation of the external iliac artery which comes from the abdominal aorta.

The femoral artery is first known as the common femoral artery, because it has not yet given off branches. It gives off a branch known as the deep artery of the thigh (profunda femoris) while continuing down the thigh medial to the femur. After giving off other branches, the femoral artery goes behind the knee and becomes the popliteal artery.

The venous counterpart of the femoral artery is the femoral vein. It takes essentially the same course as the femoral artery but transports blood in the opposite direction: toward the heart. See also: Femoral vein.

http://www.medterms....rticlekey=40601


So I guess the artery goes AWAY from the heart like ISIS said..but the VEIN goes TOWARDS the heart.

so if the vein..not the artery takes blood towards the heart then the laprzam was being directed TOWARDS the heart and when it got there...it stopped Michael heart/resperation immmedietly....thats why it was not circulated...and as SOSO said that is why it was still in large quantity....the heart stopped...meaning Michael had a cardiac arrest.

I think the point is (so sadly), that the benzos were found in high concentrations in the heart. That means that the heartbeat was very slow, or nearly stopped when the drug arrived at the heart. And THAT means that the drug was unnecessary for "sleep," and that Michael was already nearly gone and the drug finished him off. Hid heart didn't beat for much longer after that. It sounds like an execution by lethal injection. It also means Murray lied about the order that he gave the drugs, and this strongly implies premeditation.

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[tkim]

TOS violation.

 

[phospho]

no need for an autopsy analysis... you need a psych consult for these two stupid threads you've already opened...

 

[Kasume]

lorzapam was found in femoral blood 169 ng/ml
lorzapam was found in heart blood 162 ng/ml

the figures mean those were the levels of larazapam that were still found in Michael's /heartblood /femoral blood ..after he passed away. See the amount of prop that Michael was given was enough to knock him out for major surgery...and a person has to be put on a vent for their breathing...the breathing gets slow and the brain wants to go to sleep to...so breathing help is required....so the benzo still being in his leg blood proves that the prop already poisend Michaels body...the larazapam didnt get a chance to finish circulating through his blood stream..because the heart had already stopped....after he was given the lazrapam.

 

[Bertelman]

I'd rather people spend their time dissecting JFK's autopsy.

This exercise is pointless.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

This is not the appropriate forum for this thread (and I am not sure what is).

Closing.