New anesthesia residency program - HNSLIJ

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Gasresident2000 I'm happy you are pleased with the program. Don't get mad at us for stating the reality of the situation. I was a resident not too long ago :0
 
Psai said:
I have credibility here. You don't. Sorry about your residency
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No need to be sorry, I'm more than happy with my residency.
I simply asked for some objective measures to judge the quality of a training program since everyone here seems pretty informed about a place they've never been to or trained at. Instead of providing anything of substance you wrote "Can't describe it but you know it when you see it" and I'm the one with no credibility?

For those that are actually interested in what the program has to offer and talk about things that can actually be compared (like cases, hours, call, benefits...) feel free to PM me your questions/concerns; I'd be happy to address them.
 
Weisenheimer said:
That wasn't the point. GravelRider stated that the job one gets after residency is a good surrogate for evaluating the quality of a residency. I don't know how you can make that leap.
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Well, med students should make that leap because getting a job is the goal of residency.

I don't know anything about the NSLIJ residency, nor do I care (though I do think Northwell and NAPA are bad for healthcare, but that's another discussion). It may be a fine place to train for all I know. I just stated that posting a fellowship match list is insufficient in evaluating an anesthesia residency. They do it over on the IM boards because there it might matter, but it doesn't in anesthesia. The most important thing a med student can do when evaluating a residency is see where grads end up working. If they are working in a place the student might want to work in the future then that is the most important thing. If you want to disagree, that's fine too.
 
GravelRider said:
Well, med students should make that leap because getting a job is the goal of residency.

I don't know anything about the NSLIJ residency, nor do I care (though I do think Northwell and NAPA are bad for healthcare, but that's another discussion). It may be a fine place to train for all I know. I just stated that posting a fellowship match list is insufficient in evaluating an anesthesia residency. They do it over on the IM boards because there it might matter, but it doesn't in anesthesia. The most important thing a med student can do when evaluating a residency is see where grads end up working. If they are working in a place the student might want to work in the future then that is the most important thing. If you want to disagree, that's fine too.
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Again I don't see how you can make the conclusion that the jobs obtained after residency are a surrogate for the quality of the training itself. I may see that a program graduates residents who get a job at "X" PP. I find this job desirable so I will choose that program in the hopes of using those connections to land the same job. That still doesn't give you the whole picture regarding how good the training is.

I do agree with you that the fellowships obtained are not a sufficient judge of the training. However many students DO want the option to pursue them and to know that the program they train at can help them secure those spots; so in the context of the conversation the fact that everyone matched and is more than happy with their spots is relevant.

Residency is a means to an end and we each have our own ends. Some want to pursue academics, others PP in a big metro area, and others want to go rural. To each their own. The point I'm trying to make is that a good residency program is one that provides you with the experience and competence to practice in any of these settings and in the end help to potentially open up these positions to their grads. However the question regarding the quality of training at any given place is more nuanced than is being represented here.
 
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Because it’s a newer program without an established reputation, it seems like people would consider NSLIJ primarily because of its location. It is not (yet) a “destination residency” meaning it’s inherent intrinsic appeal is not established. And I would expect many of the graduates would like to launch a career in the area. The proof of how “good” or effective the program is will come next year when the fellows start their first jobs. Will they be able to return to the area? Does NSLIJ hire their own for attending positions? Are the graduates finding work at the desireable local private practices?

You could ask that of any program. Are the graduates ending up where they really want to be or are they settling?
 
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The only benefit i see right now is the location is good, facilities are nice, and # of residents work in their favor since technically they can be assigned to the interesting cases and get a good variety, instead of large residencies fighting for case variety.

Whether NAPA is there or not is not exactly related to this topic. Sure the only reason they are training you could be so they can suck money out of you and screw your profession over later on but it doesn't mean you will receive terrible training
 
Weisenheimer said:
I do agree with you that the fellowships obtained are not a sufficient judge of the training. However many students DO want the option to pursue them and to know that the program they train at can help them secure those spots; so in the context of the conversation the fact that everyone matched and is more than happy with their spots is relevant.
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In SDN every program has a great fellowship match. And some people do fellowship because a great PP job didn’t land in their lap when they finish residency.
 
nimbus said:
Because it’s a newer program without an established reputation, it seems like people would consider NSLIJ primarily because of its location. It is not (yet) a “destination residency” meaning it’s inherent intrinsic appeal is not established. And I would expect many of the graduates would like to launch a career in the area. The proof of how “good” or effective the program is will come next year when the fellows start their first jobs. Will they be able to return to the area? Does NSLIJ hire their own for attending positions?
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NSLIJ is NAPA. they will pretty much hire anyone with a pulse ...
 
facted said:
This is far from the truth. Don't speak about what you don't know. It's actually not easy to get a job at North Shore or LIJ. The other NAPA sites might be different.
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I would think it is not easy to get hired there. So it will be interesting to see if they hire their own graduates.
 
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facted said:
This is far from the truth. Don't speak about what you don't know. It's actually not easy to get a job at North Shore or LIJ. The other NAPA sites might be different.
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Yea i thought so as well. It's in a popular location next to NYC. NYC alone probably produce 150 or more anesthesiologists every year many wanting to stay in the area
 
NS-LIJ are NAPPA run anesthesia groups (the original one) Perhaps they have better perks however I would much rather be in pp and a business owner than have the guys from NAPPA making money off me. Also respectfully any group with a 5 yr "partnership" track ala NAPPA or a private group is something that is not acceptable in this job market. Any residents from NS-LIJ/Hofstra program looking to stay should heed this warning.(Especially in the NE tristate area which is rampart with AMC jobs)
 
facted said:
This is far from the truth. Don't speak about what you don't know. It's actually not easy to get a job at North Shore or LIJ. The other NAPA sites might be different.
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Ok. But I interviewed there a couple of years ago. Pretty much the first question they asked was “so when can you start” I am not a superstar by any means (average resident, average program)
 
Scotty_G said:
NS-LIJ are NAPPA run anesthesia groups (the original one) Perhaps they have better perks however I would much rather be in pp and a business owner than have the guys from NAPPA making money off me. Also respectfully any group with a 5 yr "partnership" track ala NAPPA or a private group is something that is not acceptable in this job market. Any residents from NS-LIJ/Hofstra program looking to stay should heed this warning.(Especially in the NE tristate area which is rampart with AMC jobs)
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As you know, 5 year partnership in the NYC/LI/SE CT for good groups is totally standard. You could go midwest and get a great job with 2 years to partner. Not in the NY area.
 
dannyboy1 said:
Ok. But I interviewed there a couple of years ago. Pretty much the first question they asked was “so when can you start” I am not a superstar by any means (average resident, average program)
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So did you get the job? Was it at LIJ or NorthShore?
 
Scotty_G said:
NS-LIJ are NAPPA run anesthesia groups (the original one) Perhaps they have better perks however I would much rather be in pp and a business owner than have the guys from NAPPA making money off me. Also respectfully any group with a 5 yr "partnership" track ala NAPPA or a private group is something that is not acceptable in this job market. Any residents from NS-LIJ/Hofstra program looking to stay should heed this warning.(Especially in the NE tristate area which is rampart with AMC jobs)
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i didn't realize they even had a partnership track..
 
dannyboy1 said:
Ok. But I interviewed there a couple of years ago. Pretty much the first question they asked was “so when can you start” I am not a superstar by any means (average resident, average program)
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This is standard. By the time you interview you have already been screened and vetted and the phone calls have been made. It’s final due diligence to make sure you’re not a freak or an arrogant ass before making the offer. I’ve never been to a PP interview and NOT been offered a job. My group makes offers to the vast majority of the people we interview. Any type of “courtesy interview” is a waste of time and money.
 
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nimbus said:
His post implies that they made an offer at the interview.
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Got an offer at north shore. In the end decided to go with a better offer from a non NAPA group. It just didn't seem that they had checked me out at all. The guy who was interviewing me thought I was an attending already and I had to let him know that I was a graduating resident.....
 
dannyboy1 said:
Got an offer at north shore. In the end decided to go with a better offer from a non NAPA group. It just didn't seem that they had checked me out at all. The guy who was interviewing me thought I was an attending already and I had to let him know that I was a graduating resident.....
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how many years ago was this
 
nimbus said:
This is standard. By the time you interview you have already been screened and vetted and the phone calls have been made.
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This is very true.

On my first interview, my residency dept chair and one of my interviewers knew each other (unknown to me beforehand), and I was offered $15k more than what they said during a prior phone interview.

On my second interview, after 15 min of me asking questions, they said the job is mine and wanted to know what start date I wanted. Awhile later after I started working I found out the boss had before my interview already asked one of my attendings who knows the boss about me.
 
I guarantee you they don't care about your credentials. They just want a body and a fresh grad is great bec you can dangle a $250K job which seems like a lot to a fresh grad but is **** compared to how much you are billing. Keep them for 4 years, make almost a million off, then hire another fresh grad. A great business model. Hence, NAPA is a $1 Billion company.
 
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