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if Brown can be an Ivy League school, any school can... 
"NEW" IVY LEAGUES !?!
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I heard Vanderbilt is a second tier school.
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hm, hardly any schools from the midwest and the west, either.
and you guys should stop bashing teachers. the world needs leaders in every field, including (especially?) education. are you saying that someone who chooses social service over, say, business, doesn't deserve an excellent education? it's not all about money.
and you guys should stop bashing teachers. the world needs leaders in every field, including (especially?) education. are you saying that someone who chooses social service over, say, business, doesn't deserve an excellent education? it's not all about money.
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jonathon said:
Oh, oh, oh...there are so many things wrong with this comment, where to begin??
"Getting an Ivy League education is overrated"
-unless you have one, how do you really know? Yes "Ivy" is really a tradition but because these schools are some of the oldest in the nation, they tend to attract the best professors and therefore have top notch academics. So, for us students that want to learn from the best of the best, the opportunity is there. That doesn't sound "overrated" to me.
"Why...people go to the expensive schools just to get a normal job like a teacher for strikes me as dumb."
-what do you mean "normal job?" being a teacher is extremely hard work and those people don't get paid enough. You are where you are today in part because of your past teachers, so perhaps you should be a bit more grateful!
"Why spend so much money and get into so much dept just to be a school teacher?"
-Some prep schools now a days will not let you teach unless you have a master's degree or even a PhD. Obviously a good education is needed to be a GOOD teacher...and perhaps you should learn to spell DEBT (read: not "dept") before posting an elitist comment. 👎
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I know. I mean, it's got an element named after it. When will we see Harvardium on the periodic table?RokChalkJayhawk said:
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I don't know why people get bitter toward top ranked schools. I have respect for these schools and academic respect for the students who make it in. I've attended a top-ranked school and a not-so-top-ranked school. The top-ranked school had tougher gen. eds. with higher expectations, more difficult tests, and crazy curves. However, my bio classes and chem classes at the lower-ranked school are every bit as rigorous as at the top-ranked school. Maybe everyone gets bent out of shape because they have tough schedules and rigorous classes at their school, but don't get the same respect from the general public for thier efforrs.
You know, most people couldn't name an Ivy League school outside of
- Harvard
- Princeton
- Yale
Whether you like these schools or not, they've got name recognition, and that's not going to change. They're also great schools, and that's not going to change.
Newsweek's little list isn't going to give most of these 25 schools the widespread notoriety of many other schools not on the list. Honestly, how did Stanford, Berkely, Caltech, MIT not make the list? Maybe it's because these schools are so often grouped with the Ivy's that Newsweek didn't bother to include them as the "new" ivy's. Most of the 25 schools listed will never have the level of recognition of these schools.
You know, most people couldn't name an Ivy League school outside of
- Harvard
- Princeton
- Yale
Whether you like these schools or not, they've got name recognition, and that's not going to change. They're also great schools, and that's not going to change.
Newsweek's little list isn't going to give most of these 25 schools the widespread notoriety of many other schools not on the list. Honestly, how did Stanford, Berkely, Caltech, MIT not make the list? Maybe it's because these schools are so often grouped with the Ivy's that Newsweek didn't bother to include them as the "new" ivy's. Most of the 25 schools listed will never have the level of recognition of these schools.
Entirecropslost said:
Vandy is actually a great undergrad too...one of the best in the south, #18 in the nation.....just for your info. Just because some people don't want to go to school up north in the freezing snow doesn't mean they can't get a good education too...
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The whole point of the "New Ivys" is that there are a LOT more than the traditional Brown, Dartmouth, Princeton that people can go to and still recieve a wonderful education.
Now, I'm just hoping the adcoms are reading that article, as my college showed up on the list
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Now, I'm just hoping the adcoms are reading that article, as my college showed up on the list
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riceman04 said:
wtf? Don't go dissin' mvdmom. I'll break some arms if anyone bothers her!
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It just always turns into this!!! This "elitist crap" you refer to is just us Ivy League kids defending ourselves. If you take an objective look at SDN you'd clearly see infinitely more threads outwardly bashing and/or diminishing Ivy League schools FIRST. Then, we the students reply back with what is wonderful about our schools and you use it as reinforcement that we are all elitist! What everyone needs to get over is Ivy League name recognition will always exist because it deserves to exist. I, and I'm sure a huge majority of my peers, worked very hard to get into, and do well, in these schools. We are no "better" than anyone else for doing so, but graduating from such schools are testaments to intelligence and work ethic, which are two attributes that Western society admire and hold in high regard. NOTE: I did not say that there are not intelligent people at state schools and such....the difference is in averages. While i'm sure there are a large handful of students at every state school that are more intelligent than any given Ivy student, on the whole, the student bodies are not comparable. ALSO NOTE: I empathize tremendously with certain economic situations and completely agree that the state school (and the like) education provides a great education for the cost BUT realize that not just Ivy's are expensive...attacking Ivy League students for being rich is nothing but reinforcing your own ignorance. If you play that card you will have to work a lot harder to include every student at every private 4 year college in this country. Additonally, Ivy League schools have great financial aid packages and scholarships (especially more minorities) relative to lower tier schools. This can be seen in Princeton's policy of allowing ANY qualified student to enroll regardless of ability to pay tuition....Just an observation here but have any of you who hate my wonderful Ivy League school ever visited one (or several)? You'd find within 5 minutes that the environment is infinitely more diverse than the vast majority of other private and/or small liberal arts schools. In this case the pretention does not come from wealth, it does not come from our parents, it does not come from our hooded sweatshirts....it comes from the FACT that these schools are great for a number of very tangible reasons, and for that we are proud we were admitted and graduated from such a school.
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gujuDoc said:
Check out his posts in the "Non-Calc Physics" thread.... they are amazing!!!
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awww where's U of Wisc?
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HAHA RICE MADE THE LIST!!! my 4 years of getting crapped on may pay off now.
on a more serious note, it's just a story. i sincerely doubt people will stick with these new labels of "new ivies."
on a more serious note, it's just a story. i sincerely doubt people will stick with these new labels of "new ivies."
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That is the best you could come up with? LOL. Studies have shown that the average graduate from an ivy school gets paid the same salary as an average student from a state school 5 years working in the company. Yes a lot of ivy graduates have better chances of getting a job right out of school, but the ivy stigma leaves once you are in a company for a couple of years. At this point its the individual that gets the promotion and pay raises and not where you went to school.
Its not smart for a person to go to a really expensive school if they do not have the funding for it if they only get a job that pays around $35,000 a year (with the salary difference depending on geographics) and have $40,000 60,000 in debt. Duh! Yes, if a person has a full ride scholarship or funding that covers over ¾ of the 4 to 5 years of tuition, then they should take the chance of going to such a prestigious institution. Keep in mind though that its up to the individual to learn and become successful and not just what school you go to. I could care less where people go to college. I just like it if they know what they are talking about in a conversation and they can do their job and understand what is going on in the world.
Quote: Obviously a good education is needed to be a GOOD teacher..
Really? So a person cant have a stupid education and become a teacher? LOL. No **** a person has to have a good education to teach. Dah!!!!!!! Why do you think they have to be licensed to teach? Having licenses shows they have the skills and training to teach.
Are you happy now that I wrote debt correctly? LOL.
Its not smart for a person to go to a really expensive school if they do not have the funding for it if they only get a job that pays around $35,000 a year (with the salary difference depending on geographics) and have $40,000 60,000 in debt. Duh! Yes, if a person has a full ride scholarship or funding that covers over ¾ of the 4 to 5 years of tuition, then they should take the chance of going to such a prestigious institution. Keep in mind though that its up to the individual to learn and become successful and not just what school you go to. I could care less where people go to college. I just like it if they know what they are talking about in a conversation and they can do their job and understand what is going on in the world.
Quote: Obviously a good education is needed to be a GOOD teacher..
Really? So a person cant have a stupid education and become a teacher? LOL. No **** a person has to have a good education to teach. Dah!!!!!!! Why do you think they have to be licensed to teach? Having licenses shows they have the skills and training to teach.
Are you happy now that I wrote debt correctly? LOL.
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solitude said:
I enjoyed it thoroughly. I hope he wasn't being sarcastic.
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TCIrish03 said:
I want ND to lose several football games this season.
Overrated.
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It's so scary to think some of you will have people's lives in your hands someday...
JDUBS: I don't mind repeating this for the fourth time (some people arent as sharp as my rich genius Ivy League peers) but Ivy League schools make up 8......8, eight, e-i-g-h-t schools out of thousands and thousands and thousands of other private schools of equal (or higher!) tuition.
I'll try to make this simple....You do not have to be rich to go to an Ivy League school. On a serious note, I really can't help but wonder why people hate...actually HATE Ivies and the people who go to them....why?! seriously...why?
JONATHAN: What you say is true....I actually mentioned it a few posts right above yours....what you failed to mention however, is that graduates of top schools matriculate to graduate schools at much higher rates than lower tier schools (read: national averages).....why do you think? It seems that most of you don't know....or think it's nothing more than pure bullsh**. As much of you will hate to hear or admit this, Ivy League schools have world reknown researchers, millions (or billions in some cases) of dollars in endowment, and cutting edge facilities. How many people can take Physics from a prof who's won the nobel prize? These places are institutions with amazing resources. Above all else, the largest difference between top schools and others is the student body....You can go to a state school and make the most of your education and do very well and go to a top med school or get a top job...no one denies that....BUT sitting in (and competing with in many cases) in a class filled with high school valedictorians and perfect SAT scores is nothing like you can imagine....the environment is night and day....sometimes I wish the people who constantly whine about how overrated Ivies are could come and take some classes....your attitude would change very quickly and you'd more likely than not be looking for a different career path....stop attacking people's accomplishments.....if you notice, we don't attack yours. I wish everyone best of luck and will say again that a student at ANY school can and deserves to get into med school, get a great job etc...the issue of the actual school and the experience that goes along with, however, IS very different.
JDUBS: I don't mind repeating this for the fourth time (some people arent as sharp as my rich genius Ivy League peers) but Ivy League schools make up 8......8, eight, e-i-g-h-t schools out of thousands and thousands and thousands of other private schools of equal (or higher!) tuition.
I'll try to make this simple....You do not have to be rich to go to an Ivy League school. On a serious note, I really can't help but wonder why people hate...actually HATE Ivies and the people who go to them....why?! seriously...why?
JONATHAN: What you say is true....I actually mentioned it a few posts right above yours....what you failed to mention however, is that graduates of top schools matriculate to graduate schools at much higher rates than lower tier schools (read: national averages).....why do you think? It seems that most of you don't know....or think it's nothing more than pure bullsh**. As much of you will hate to hear or admit this, Ivy League schools have world reknown researchers, millions (or billions in some cases) of dollars in endowment, and cutting edge facilities. How many people can take Physics from a prof who's won the nobel prize? These places are institutions with amazing resources. Above all else, the largest difference between top schools and others is the student body....You can go to a state school and make the most of your education and do very well and go to a top med school or get a top job...no one denies that....BUT sitting in (and competing with in many cases) in a class filled with high school valedictorians and perfect SAT scores is nothing like you can imagine....the environment is night and day....sometimes I wish the people who constantly whine about how overrated Ivies are could come and take some classes....your attitude would change very quickly and you'd more likely than not be looking for a different career path....stop attacking people's accomplishments.....if you notice, we don't attack yours. I wish everyone best of luck and will say again that a student at ANY school can and deserves to get into med school, get a great job etc...the issue of the actual school and the experience that goes along with, however, IS very different.
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This is a very ugly thread.
We all have differing tastes, beliefs, and reasonings. There is no reason to attack others for their beliefs and the decisions they make for themselves (attending an Ivy, attending a state school instead of an Ivy, etc.). Just be happy with your own choices and move along.
We all have differing tastes, beliefs, and reasonings. There is no reason to attack others for their beliefs and the decisions they make for themselves (attending an Ivy, attending a state school instead of an Ivy, etc.). Just be happy with your own choices and move along.
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mynamewastaken said:
Personally ... every Ivy grad I've met has been arrogant. As a grad student, my interactions with fellow researchers at Ivies have been less than productive -- noticeably so, especially compared with researchers from other schools (who can usually manage to be pleasant, at least). There's definitely an attitude that seems to go with an Ivy League education, and that is something I can really, really do without.
I have nothing against Ivy League schools, and do harbor a bit of jealousy toward some of the opportunities such an education affords. (I've never applied to an Ivy, so it's not bitterness.) It's just that the people from Ivy League schools have not, IME, been the best advocates.
But you probably didn't want a real answer to your question, at least not one that places any blame on your Ivy League colleagues. If they were a little less insufferable, I'd have a little better an opinion of their education. JMO.
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The only thing that serpearates Ivy leagues from other schools is the reputation. Most top public schools have the same cirruculm as ivies. Just ivies have richer alumni who give better endownments as well as better hookups with jobs and such.
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I think this was the point of the article. It was simply saying that you can get an excellent education from a plethora of schools around the country--not just from the Ivies. There are a lot of great options out there for high school seniors. They aren't trying to add those schools onto the list of "official Ivies" or anything like that. How many here have actually read the article?SRK85 said:
But the bottom line is that Newsweek was just trying to sell magazines since it is "college season."
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AMcD3 said:
He and I were in the same class at G'town (entering 1994); he was there for my freshman and sophomore years, before he left us for the NBA. My one claim to fame during that time was playing him in Mortal Kombat 3 in the Leavey Center.
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tl, dr.mynamewastaken said:
Go drive your Ferarri off your diamond bridge and into the champagne moat that circles your parents' mansion you whiny rich boy.
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mynamewastaken said:
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yeah everyone knows the reason the vast majority of students at ivy league schools are rich is because most poor people are lazy and stupid. it's not eltitist at all!
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I did indeed take a class at an ivy league school once and it blew. I think it actually made me know less.
I second the suggestion you go jump in your moat.
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apparently the study was authored by Kaplan, so it is weighted for schools that focus on SAT scores... hence why my school, Bates, was not on the list (as it does not require SAT scores)- while the "same" schools Colby and Bowdoin were
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MilkofAmnesia said:
Nope, I got stomped like a narc at a biker rally.
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riceman04 said:
Hey. I only knew that Dartmouth was in the Ivy League because my sister is the Director of Admissions. (For undergraduates, not the Medical school, don't get yer' bowels in an uproar.)
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mynamewastaken said:
There is nothing wonderful about any school. Going to any school is just a business arrangement. You pay tuition, they educate you. The rest is just happy happy, joy joy propaganda designed to distract you from the amount of money you (or your parents) are dumping into the sink hole.
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Who cares if the schools are termed "Ivy League" or not. Elitist attitudes are ridiculous. You went where you went, you got the education you got, deal with that. My school certainly isnt "Ivy" but ya know, I got a top rate education for my undergrad sciences and my scores show that. I hate when people are overly competitive. 👎 But I guess to each his own, if it bothers you that much it is your problem.
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TPROrgoTutor said:
miesvandermom, i think you misread my response because your reply didn't seem to catch what i said....i wont try to clarify; my defense of my school seems to do nothing but anger people (which i still find interesting)....so it's cool you took 1 class at an Ivy. What did you take and where...i'm just curious.
I guess something i said just went in one ear and out the other...I guess I'll be a bit more personal....I come from an area in Brooklyn NY where my family made at most, 17K a year. For most of elementary and middle school I probably went to school a bit more than half of each school year because my little brother had a terminal disease. Things only got better during sophomore yr of high school when I realized I actually enjoyed learning and wanted to do better and see what else was out there...long story short, I got into a great college that happens to be an ivy....so that's all...I just wanted to say thanks for brightening my day...i actually laughed out loud from the responses I got about being so rich and arrogant...very very far from it. Maybe it was my fault my point was taken like it was, but I come from a place where academic prowess and work ethic are exclusive from money, power, and wealth. I think my school was a wonderful place because I met hundreds of amazingly bright people....i also found the school very difficult so it humbled me and taught me to work as hard as I possibly could. I just feel very proud to have gotten in, and gone to such a school and I guess I get upset when people say colleges are all the same. It's not worth continuing the argument, but I really really disagree that they are.
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and i guess i'll say this because i do feel kinda upset what i said was taken like it was...I don't think "Ivy" means anything and I DO NOT think going to one makes anyone better....I just feel like SDN is famous for starting threads about how the schools our country deems as "better" are nothing more than baseless reputations driven only by money. Most of what I learned in college was from other students...I found them brilliant. Completely irrelevant, but I really think you will have an uphill battle trying to discredit the intelligence and credentials of the average student at a top 10 university versus a lower tier school. In general they cannot be statistically compared.
