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Hey everyone!

New MD schools opening in 2017?

I know for Private there is: Seton Hall, Henricopolis
Public:

If anyone can add to this list it would be greatly appreciated!
 
Can anyone shed light on if these new MD schools are supposed to be easier to get into? Also, is it true that more med schools aren't a good idea because of the same amount of residency spots?
 
NSU in Ft Lauderdale, FL.
 
maydaymalone said:
Can anyone shed light on if these new MD schools are supposed to be easier to get into? Also, is it true that more med schools aren't a good idea because of the same amount of residency spots?
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This gets hashed out on this board all the time. Currently, the number of US residency spots is > the # of graduating US seniors (MD and DO). These spots (total spots - # US graduating seniors) have been filled my international medical graduates (IMGs) and US reapplicants (who failed to the match the first time). As more US med schools open up, this gap will close up and IMGs will be squeezed out (it's already extremely tough to match as an IMG. In the future it will be even more difficult. For now though, you'll still match fine coming from a US med school. I doubt they'll be (much) easier to get into; there are plenty of extremely well-qualified US med school applicants that will jump at the chance to go to these schools, and thus I'm sure they'll be able to fill their classes with great students. I got into a new US med school and from the packet I received with the details about the current class, they have a very impressive class, both in terms of stats (GPA and MCAT) and backgrounds.
 
alomoma said:
I think they were talking about opening a new school in Champaign?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-u-of-i-medical-school-0313-20150312-story.html
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Well it will more likely to be in Urbana - they are partnered with Carle Hospital (Urbana) and the current medical school (in the UIC system) is in Urbana. But I don't think you meant to make that distinction.

They have been talking about making it very engineering-focused. It will definitely not be ready next year though. More like ~5 years out.
 
maydaymalone said:
Can anyone shed light on if these new MD schools are supposed to be easier to get into? Also, is it true that more med schools aren't a good idea because of the same amount of residency spots?
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It depends on what you mean by difficult. New MD schools tend to be rather picky as they want to have a successful first year class - while their grades on average may be slightly lower (think 30/3.5 - is that a 505 on the new scale?), they tend to have very small class sizes and their students are still very accomplished. Because many pre-meds think "New school! I have low stats, this is my shot!", they tend to get a lot of applications for very few seats (think 6-7000 applicants for 35-50 seats).

TL;DR - not easier, just a different battle.
 
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So many new schools. I've got a feeling the next five years will be looked at at the fading sunset of solid residency placement for US graduates, after which a lot of us'll be going into FM, community IM, psych, etc not because we want to but because that's all that is available.

Ah well, I'm going to beat you all to the finish line in any case, so I guess it shouldn't concern me, but I worry about the future of US graduates as schools continue to open at an ever-accelerating pace.
 
Take comfort from the Wiki list that just because people "say" they're planning a med school, doesn't mean that it will make it to fruition.


Mad Jack said:
So many new schools. I've got a feeling the next five years will be looked at at the fading sunset of solid residency placement for US graduates, after which a lot of us'll be going into FM, community IM, psych, etc not because we want to but because that's all that is available.

Ah well, I'm going to beat you all to the finish line in any case, so I guess it shouldn't concern me, but I worry about the future of US graduates as schools continue to open at an ever-accelerating pace.
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Mayo Clinic has a campus opening in Scottsdale, Arizona - http://www.mayo.edu/mms/programs/md/medical-school-campuses/phoenix-and-scottsdale-arizona

This is also going to be a small school of only ~50 students per class. I think the Rochester, Minnesota Mayo Med School will remain the most competitive given that it's more established and at the actual Mayo Clinic hospital. However, I think the Arizona campus will also be very competitive to gain admission.
 
FYI for Nevada applicants this upcoming cycle. The UNLV Med School will be giving full ride scholarships to the first entering class.
 
VegasPreMed said:
FYI for Nevada applicants this upcoming cycle. The UNLV Med School will be giving full ride scholarships to the first entering class.
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Contrast this to another new school (2016) that won't even allow students eligibility for federally insured student loans!
 
I have heard that Seton Hall, NSU and Henricopolis are opening in Fall 2018.
 
PatchAdams25 said:
I heard that Seton Hall/Henricopolis were 2017... not sure about NSU
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Seton hall won't be accepting applications till 2017. There was an issue with the site at Roche due to toxic chemical dumping by the company causing a legal battle preventing the signing of the lease and delaying the opening.
-top secret source
 
Summerlax2016 said:
Seton hall won't be accepting applications till 2017. There was an issue with the site at Roche due to toxic chemical dumping by the company causing a legal battle preventing the signing of the lease and delaying the opening.
-top secret source
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LOL oh yeah I'd really wanna go to the toxic waste med school.
 
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gyngyn said:
Contrast this to another new school (2016) that won't even allow students eligibility for federally insured student loans!
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You should see it on the DO end with a CEO/business tycoon whose trying to open an Idaho school stepping on WWAMI's toes when their first for-profit medical school in NM has yet to even start their first class. We are talking classes of 150 with no possibility for FedAid. SMH!
 
AlteredScale said:
You should see it on the DO end with a CEO/business tycoon whose trying to open an Idaho school stepping on WWAMI's toes when their first for-profit medical school in NM has yet to even start their first class. We are talking classes of 150 with no possibility for FedAid. SMH!
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yet I'm sure they will have no trouble filling their class. Some of these schools sound a little too similar to the carib schools..
 
occams_razor said:
yet I'm sure they will have no trouble filling their class. Some of these schools sound a little too similar to the carib schools..
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When you use buzzwords like "simulation lab, anatomy lab, state-of-the-art simulated patient exam lab, Harvard professors" you can fill that close over two times. It's truly embarrassing.
 
AlteredScale said:
You should see it on the DO end with a CEO/business tycoon whose trying to open an Idaho school stepping on WWAMI's toes when their first for-profit medical school in NM has yet to even start their first class. We are talking classes of 150 with no possibility for FedAid. SMH!
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Not to mention that businessmen from New Mexico are some of the most crooked people alive. I'm a New Mexico native and have seen it my whole life. I sure do hope Idaho sees through their lies.
 
Excuse my ignorance, but why would a school not allow eligible students to apply to federal insured student loans? What would be their motive for this?


gyngyn said:
Contrast this to another new school (2016) that won't even allow students eligibility for federally insured student loans!
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gyngyn said:
Contrast this to another new school (2016) that won't even allow students eligibility for federally insured student loans!
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Probably a dumb question but what school is this? Does that mean they had to finance everything with private loans??
 
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Mad Jack said:
Even if only half of them open, it'll be a toooooon of new schools.
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I dont want to make this into another DO vs MD pissing match but on the DO side is where I think there is some cause for concern. It's not just the opening of new schools there, the merger and the many AOA residencies that will get shut down(and not just in primary care, even Derm AOA residencies are vulnerable) means its very difficult to see a situation where the number of DO graduates who cant match doesnt go up significantly come 2025 and beyond. Not saying DO's are going to become the new Caribbean, but the % unmatched for DOs could go up to rather uncomfortable levels.

Basically for all of medicine's history, if we are talking about US schools it's always been getting in that has been the biggest hurdle. As long as you get in and pass everything youll match, period. Now, particularly at these newer DO schools, people at some point are going to have to start changing the discussion. It wont be about "can you get into medical school?" as much as "Is it worth going to this school even if I get accepted and are passionate about medicine?" given that the concerns about not being able to match even if you dont have red flags are going to be more and more valid, especially at some of these newer DO schools with less of a track record which could hurt their grads.
 
I am very skeptical about Seton Hall. They said they would enroll a class in 2017, but there is basically no press at and the app cycle opens in 3 months.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
I am very skeptical about Seton Hall. They said they would enroll a class in 2017, but there is basically no press at and the app cycle opens in 3 months.
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If their process is anything similar to Washington State University, they probably submitted their preliminary plan to the LCME before the new year, after which LCME will grant them "candidate status". Then, the LCME will conduct a site visit in the spring and likely grant the school preliminary accreditation in October 2016, so their app process would begin then in order to recruit a charter class for 2017. The delay relative to the AMCAS opening is because of the LCME's schedule, as they wouldn't conduct a site visit/inspection until ~April-June. But I may be misinterpreting it.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
I am very skeptical about Seton Hall. They said they would enroll a class in 2017, but there is basically no press at and the app cycle opens in 3 months.
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2018 is when Seton Hall plans to have their first class enter.
 
GrapesofRath said:
I dont want to make this into another DO vs MD pissing match but on the DO side is where I think there is some cause for concern. It's not just the opening of new schools there, the merger and the many AOA residencies that will get shut down(and not just in primary care, even Derm AOA residencies are vulnerable) means its very difficult to see a situation where the number of DO graduates who cant match doesnt go up significantly come 2025 and beyond. Not saying DO's are going to become the new Caribbean, but the % unmatched for DOs could go up to rather uncomfortable levels.

Basically for all of medicine's history, if we are talking about US schools it's always been getting in that has been the biggest hurdle. As long as you get in and pass everything youll match, period. Now, particularly at these newer DO schools, people at some point are going to have to start changing the discussion. It wont be about "can you get into medical school?" as much as "Is it worth going to this school even if I get accepted and are passionate about medicine?" given that the concerns about not being able to match even if you dont have red flags are going to be more and more valid, especially at some of these newer DO schools with less of a track record which could hurt their grads.
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One possibile outcome, though, is that so many students start to not match that pressure gets put on the gov't since there are all these high debt students unable to pay their loans and a "phyisician shortage" propagated by the organizations that oversee these colleges. Then the gov't has their hands tied and decides to expand residencies. The physician markets then get flooded with physicians who all scramble for lower paying jobs while being strattled with ever increasing debt. Everyone thought the chokehold on medicine was getting into school, but that has changed. Now we think the chokehold is residency, and that will change too with time.
 
Mansamusa said:
One possibile outcome, though, is that so many students start to not match that pressure gets put on the gov't since there are all these high debt students unable to pay their loans and a "phyisician shortage" propagated by the organizations that oversee these colleges. Then the gov't has their hands tied and decides to expand residencies. The physician markets then get flooded with physicians who all scramble for lower paying jobs while being strattled with ever increasing debt. Everyone thought the chokehold on medicine was getting into school, but that has changed. Now we think the chokehold is residency, and that will change too with time.
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I really hope that this never happens. It would be a nightmare. Much like what happened with law. I know someone who went to a diploma mill law school, has 180k in loans and is making 35k a year now. It's awful. Although I think even if this did happen with medicine, the people going to good schools would be safe.
 
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Lannister said:
Probably a dumb question but what school is this? Does that mean they had to finance everything with private loans??
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How often do new medical schools open? I am surprised to see there are quite a few on this thread!
 
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bananafish94 said:
It won't be until 2018 at the earliest. Especially given the current budget situation with the University of Illinois. But they are in the process of phasing out the UIC branch at Urbana, and it will happen a few years out.
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Is University of Illinois low on money? Just judging by their tuition costs for out-of-state people, I'd expect them to be sitting on a fair amount of change bahaha
 
KungFuPanda123 said:
Is University of Illinois low on money? Just judging by their tuition costs for out-of-state people, I'd expect them to be sitting on a fair amount of change bahaha
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$75,546 just for tuition...
 
KungFuPanda123 said:
Is University of Illinois low on money? Just judging by their tuition costs for out-of-state people, I'd expect them to be sitting on a fair amount of change bahaha
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The state of Illinois is low on money. We are currently nine months into a budget stagnation and unfortunately education is taking the brunt of the blow. The University of Illinois system is in decent shape for now but the smaller schools have already begun firing staff or closing some of their programs. Needless to say, it's not exactly the best time to open a new medical school that relies on state funding. But I think it will be solved by their desired opening date.
 
occams_razor said:
I really hope that this never happens. It would be a nightmare. Much like what happened with law. I know someone who went to a diploma mill law school, has 180k in loans and is making 35k a year now. It's awful. Although I think even if this did happen with medicine, the people going to good schools would be safe.
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I would actually be shocked if it didn't happen in the next couple decades. The gov't and hospital organizations have already shown that they do not value a physician's training over saving themselves money (expanding the scope of non-physicians into areas that physicians will be paying half a million dollars to learn). And the argument before was "Ohhh, there is a shortage of doctors, but we have so many people eager to enter the field. Let us just open schools to train them." In a few years, the argument will 100% be "Ohhh, there is a shortage, but we have so many trained people who can't complete the necessary training. We need to open more residency spots to let them practice"

How many spots are filled by IMGs in the match? There are 10 new schools listed here so far- that is over 1,000more students. Why aren't people stepping in to stop this?
 
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GrapesofRath said:
2018 is when Seton Hall plans to have their first class enter.
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If you Google Seton Hall med school, you will see that the original press releases all said 2017. Obviously my skepticism was justified 😀
 
KungFuPanda123 said:
Is University of Illinois low on money? Just judging by their tuition costs for out-of-state people, I'd expect them to be sitting on a fair amount of change bahaha
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gyngyn said:
$75,546 just for tuition...
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bananafish94 said:
The state of Illinois is low on money. We are currently nine months into a budget stagnation and unfortunately education is taking the brunt of the blow. The University of Illinois system is in decent shape for now but the smaller schools have already begun firing staff or closing some of their programs. Needless to say, it's not exactly the best time to open a new medical school that relies on state funding. But I think it will be solved by their desired opening date.
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Even UIC/UIUC undergrad cost seemed high to me. I was IS and it was cheaper for me to go to Case than it was to go to my own state school.
 
Mansamusa said:
I would actually be shocked if it didn't happen in the next couple decades. The gov't and hospital organizations have already shown that they do not value a physician's training over saving themselves money (expanding the scope of non-physicians into areas that physicians will be paying half a million dollars to learn). And the argument before was "Ohhh, there is a shortage of doctors, but we have so many people eager to enter the field. Let us just open schools to train them." In a few years, the argument will 100% be "Ohhh, there is a shortage, but we have so many trained people who can't complete the necessary training. We need to open more residency spots to let them practice"

How many spots are filled by IMGs in the match? There are 10 new schools listed here so far- that is over 1,000more students. Why aren't people stepping in to stop this?
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I remember reading another thread a while back where someone was saying that there are so many spots filled by IMGs every year that even with all the new schools opening up there will still be spots.
 
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