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[narcusprince]

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Been on the interview trail and have run into many US students from carribean medical schools. I wondered why can't they also receive hpsp scholarships this would be a huge source of cash starved US recruits. Sound off !!!

 

[USAFGMODOC]

I have several friends from offshore schools who have done FAP, but I just don't know about HPSP,,, anyone else know?

 

[narcusprince]

I have got the answer shouldn't hpsp offer a four year deal to carib grads contingent upon them passing step 1 with cutoff of 215 or better. Offer a retroactive pay order to cover first two years then cover the last two years with normal scholarship and stipend possibly throw in a bonus.

 

[Perrotfish]

I have got the answer shouldn't hpsp offer a four year deal to carib grads contingent upon them passing step 1 with cutoff of 215 or better. Offer a retroactive pay order to cover first two years then cover the last two years with normal scholarship and stipend possibly throw in a bonus.

That's more or less FAP that you're describing, they just need to wait a couple more years.

Carib schools have huge failout rates, giving a Carib student a scholarship any time before graduation is a huge financial risk.

 

[NavyFP]

Been on the interview trail and have run into many US students from carribean medical schools. I wondered why can't they also receive hpsp scholarships this would be a huge source of cash starved US recruits. Sound off !!!

By law, HPSP cannot be offered to students attending schools outside the US, Puerto Rico and Canada. Changing this would actually require an act of Congress.

 

[Mirror Form]

Been on the interview trail and have run into many US students from carribean medical schools. I wondered why can't they also receive hpsp scholarships this would be a huge source of cash starved US recruits. Sound off !!!

I don't think we should be spending tax payer money to fund students at foreign med schools.

 

[NREMTP]

What about the students who are US citizens, have even served in the military already and still pay taxes in the US? Would that still be a waste of "tax payers money?" Also, if going to a foreign school doesn't preclude them from practicing in the military, why can't their be waivers? The military has waivers for EVERYTHING!!!! Don't tell me they don't because I know better. This is an interesting topic for some.

 

[IgD]

By law, HPSP cannot be offered to students attending schools outside the US, Puerto Rico and Canada. Changing this would actually require an act of Congress.

Do you know the reference for this? I'm curious about the law citation.

 

[Gastrapathy]

In a word: Yes.

We've already seen a substantial erosion in the quality and quantity of applicants for HPSP. I'm not so sure that allowing 5th pathway types would really change anything.

 

[elderjack21]

We've already seen a substantial erosion in the quality and quantity of applicants for HPSP. I'm not so sure that allowing 5th pathway types would really change anything.

So, if I take the HPSP next year, I can pretty much expect my attendings in 4-5 years to be of less than outstanding "quality." That doesn't bode well for military residencies.

 

[narcusprince]

I would argue that by screening those students after their step I students which is the gold standard measure of medical school knowledge. I would say that if these students could pass the exam at a better than average score then they would be at the same level as US/Allo/DO students. Coming from a top Allo school I would say we are missing out on a slew of good recruits.

NREM do you know anything about a FIELD that is WIDE in MEXICO?

 

[tulane06]

Having lived in a foreign country can make it difficult to get a security clearance, that's another thing to consider in this situation.

 

[elderjack21]

Having lived in a foreign country can make it difficult to get a security clearance, that's another thing to consider in this situation.

I am a security manager for my unit and manage security clearances.

Living in a foreign country for school isn’t really that big of an issue unless you work for a foreign government, get married to a foreigner, and establish other long term relationships with that government. It also comes more into play if you are talking a country not friendly with the US. Anywhere in the Caribbean, Ireland, England, Canada, won’t really hurt you at all. Just don't become a citizen of that country or obtain dual citizenship (the US government will just make you get rid of it if you want a security clearance).

Bad credit hurts much more. Alcoholism and past drug abuse are also big ones. Past drug use, having “just experimented” with marijuana won’t hurt you either as long as you don’t do it once you get your clearance or start working with the government.

I lived in Russia and Germany before joining the military, it took a little longer to get a clearance, but I didn’t have any issue.

 

[NREMTP]

I would argue that by screening those students after their step I students which is the gold standard measure of medical school knowledge. I would say that if these students could pass the exam at a better than average score then they would be at the same level as US/Allo/DO students. Coming from a top Allo school I would say we are missing out on a slew of good recruits.

NREM do you know anything about a FIELD that is WIDE in MEXICO?

Ohh, apparently nothing nothing the way you pose that question. All I can say, if it is of any interest at all to the military they will find a way (waivers) to see that they get what they want. As many people have eluded too on here, it seems less and less physicians are going in the military HPSP or not. This means there is going to be a real need demand for them and the military will see that they meet their necessary supply.
Eleven and a half years in doesn't hurt either. 😉

 

[Mirror Form]

I would argue that by screening those students after their step I students which is the gold standard measure of medical school knowledge. I would say that if these students could pass the exam at a better than average score then they would be at the same level as US/Allo/DO students. Coming from a top Allo school I would say we are missing out on a slew of good recruits.

NREM do you know anything about a FIELD that is WIDE in MEXICO?

Those foreign med schools are not accredited in the US, and therefore not something we should be giving out scholarships for. Honestly, if I had just studied for step I w/o ever going to med school I could have eventually passed it. But does that mean I'm being trained well for medicine?

 

[orbitsurgMD]

I don't think we should be spending tax payer money to fund students at foreign med schools.

I agree there.

No one is preventing IMGs form serving, or even from getting support from FAP once they have a degree. But I don't think it is a responsible or reasonable use of taxpayer money to send money to overseas schools (although I am sure we are already doing this somewhere anyway, so more money) to fund students who can't get admission on their own strengths to a U.S. school.

I hate to say it, but not everyone who desperately wants to go to medical school should be supported just for the wanting.

 

[NavyFP]

Do you know the reference for this? I'm curious about the law citation.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00002121----000-.html

Here is the link. See paragraph (c).