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yeah, no way to really speculate except to say they will likely be significantly lower than the well established schools...

Survivor DO
 
are the new schools you are referring to campbell, marian and alabama?
 
Telekinesis said:
How much lower can they get though? You already have schools with MCAT averages at 24. Will they be 22? 23?
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Probably in the 23-24 range. With grade replacement and such low mcat requirements, pretty much anyone should be able to be accepted to a DO school. It's kind of ridiculous.
 
someone posted that Marian's was a 3.6 and a 27 MCAT.
 
Telekinesis said:
How much lower can they get though? You already have schools with MCAT averages at 24. Will they be 22? 23?
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Skimming through the school specific discussion threads, I came across a post stating that the stats of 1st year class at Marian will be in the ballpark of 26-27 MCAT and 3.5-3.6 GPA.

To me, that's ridiculously high. Very few established schools have these averages.

If I were to through a guess, I would think the average will be 3.3 for GPA and 25 for the MCAT. Perhaps, that's a wishful thought on my part.
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
Skimming through the school specific discussion threads, I came across a post stating that the stats of 1st year class at Marian will be in the ballpark of 26-27 MCAT and 3.5-3.6 GPA.

To me, that's ridiculously high. Very few established schools have these averages.

If I were to through a guess, I would think the average will be 3.3 for GPA and 25 for the MCAT. Perhaps, that's a wishful thought on my part.
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I agree. If Marian has an instate bias it could be higher considering so far Indy only has 1 other medical school.
 
Marian did quite well its starting season.
 
serenade said:
Where are we getting these numbers?
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I'm not sure. I guess that I keep seeing from SDN that 27 for their MCAT was the average for acceptances. I know that Marian's admissions has been very active on their SDN school page.
 
StudyShy said:
I'm not sure. I guess that I keep seeing from SDN that 27 for their MCAT was the average for acceptances. I know that Marian's admissions has been very active on their SDN school page.
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Hmm, a 27 for admission may result in a 25 in matriculated though. I guess we will see in by August when they post class profile and statistics.
 
serenade said:
Hmm, a 27 for admission may result in a 25 in matriculated though. I guess we will see in by August when they post class profile and statistics.
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That's true. It will be interesting. 🙂
 
cliquesh said:
Probably in the 23-24 range. With grade replacement and such low mcat requirements, pretty much anyone should be able to be accepted to a DO school. It's kind of ridiculous.
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But yet these same people still make it through the medical school curriculum and also pass boards..many with competitive scores. High MCAT does not always not correlate with being a successful medical student and a good doctor.
 
Just to add my two cents on this, having talked to the people starting Marion, those people know what they're doing.

Now consider this:

The IU med schools have, what, about 300+ seats?

So you don't think that there are another 150 people in the state of IN and surrounding who are also good enough for IU, but couldn't get in? I do, so I suspect that Marion will have a significantly higher avg MCAT and GPA for its pioneers class.

Time will tell.

Ibn Alnafis MD said:
Skimming through the school specific discussion threads, I came across a post stating that the stats of 1st year class at Marian will be in the ballpark of 26-27 MCAT and 3.5-3.6 GPA.

To me, that's ridiculously high. Very few established schools have these averages.

If I were to through a guess, I would think the average will be 3.3 for GPA and 25 for the MCAT. Perhaps, that's a wishful thought on my part.
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gmcguitar4 said:
But yet these same people still make it through the medical school curriculum and also pass boards..many with competitive scores. High MCAT does not always not correlate with being a successful medical student and a good doctor.
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I don't disagree with you. I guess I feel that such low scores hurt the preceived credibility of the profession.
 
cliquesh said:
I don't disagree with you. I guess I feel that such low scores hurts the preceived credibility of the profession.
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I agree with that. That's how my family perceives it. They are excited for me to goto med school but I can tell they think I am going to something lesser because it was easier to get into than MD. I remember i was getting on my little cousins case(10 y/o) about his hw. And He is like, oh please you didn't work that hard since you are going to DO school, not medical school. I knew he was just repeating what his mother probably said at one point. It is just pure ignorance so it doesn't bother me at all. Tis a sad world we live in these days
 
gmcguitar4 said:
I agree with that. That's how my family perceives it. They are excited for me to goto med school but I can tell they think I am going to something lesser because it was easier to get into than MD. I remember i was getting on my little cousins case(10 y/o) about his hw. And He is like, oh please you didn't work that hard since you are going to DO school, not medical school. I knew he was just repeating what his mother probably said at one point. It is just pure ignorance so it doesn't bother me at all. Tis a sad world we live in these days
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It's so funny how the general public has no idea of what it takes to get into any medical school but comments as if they knew and had the capacity. It's almost as funny as the people that say they wanted to go to med school but instead "chose" other fields which ends up being bottom of corporate ladder cubicle worker.
 
gmcguitar4 said:
I agree with that. That's how my family perceives it. They are excited for me to goto med school but I can tell they think I am going to something lesser because it was easier to get into than MD. I remember i was getting on my little cousins case(10 y/o) about his hw. And He is like, oh please you didn't work that hard since you are going to DO school, not medical school. I knew he was just repeating what his mother probably said at one point. It is just pure ignorance so it doesn't bother me at all. Tis a sad world we live in these days
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Wow.
 
gmcguitar4 said:
I agree with that. That's how my family perceives it. They are excited for me to goto med school but I can tell they think I am going to something lesser because it was easier to get into than MD. I remember i was getting on my little cousins case(10 y/o) about his hw. And He is like, oh please you didn't work that hard since you are going to DO school, not medical school. I knew he was just repeating what his mother probably said at one point. It is just pure ignorance so it doesn't bother me at all. Tis a sad world we live in these days
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I'm sorry that happened to you. The best way to work towards getting rid of that bias is by becoming the greatest physician you can and let your acts speak for the profession.
 
HopefulReapp said:
I'm sorry that happened to you. The best way to work towards getting rid of that bias is by becoming the greatest physician you can and let your acts speak for the profession.
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It's all good. I don't really care what other people think about it because they are idiots. Proving idiots wrong is a complete waste of time and energy. I'm just gonna do my thing and become a rockstar doctor.
 
gmcguitar4 said:
It's all good. I don't really care what other people think about it because they are idiots. Proving idiots wrong is a complete waste of time and energy. I'm just gonna do my thing and become a rockstar doctor.
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👍
 
gmcguitar4 said:
It's all good. I don't really care what other people think about it because they are idiots. Proving idiots wrong is a complete waste of time and energy. I'm just gonna do my thing and become a rockstar doctor.
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Forget what anyone thinks! All that matters is that you become the best physician possible and are an inspiration to others. Patients have no idea if their doctor is an MD or DO. Nor do they ask for your gpa or MCAT score.
 
cliquesh said:
I don't disagree with you. I guess I feel that such low scores hurt the preceived credibility of the profession.
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I wonder what the average DO accepted student MCAT and GPA's were ten or twenty years ago.

I'm willing to bet the standards were lower back when you were applying. Should we now question older doctors' ability due to average MCAT scores during their time?
 
cliquesh said:
I don't disagree with you. I guess I feel that such low scores hurt the preceived credibility of the profession.
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I think this is a weak reason to bash the profession though. I mean, we're not podiatry and even then it's not really insulted for its low stats beyond one Seinfield episode.
 
cliquesh said:
Probably in the 23-24 range. With grade replacement and such low mcat requirements, pretty much anyone should be able to be accepted to a DO school. It's kind of ridiculous.
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+1

Honestly, competitiveness right now seems to start around 3.0/3.0/23 with all of these new schools. In fact, there was one guy on here that applied in february with 3.1/3.2/25 and got interviews from 4/8 schools, someone with 3.2 sgpa and 23 that got 5 interviews, someone with 3.2 sgpa and 24 got 6 interviews, and somebody with 3.01 sgpa and 24 mcat that was accepted outright at CUSOM.
 
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serenade said:
Where are we getting these numbers?
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Marian is very active in communicating with accepted students - they send out masses of new information monthly. They sent the statistic information to accepted students:

Average MCAT: 26.32
Average cGPA: 3.57
Average sGPA: 3.50
Average non-sGPA: 3.66

Obviously these statistics will probably drop a little as they weed through the waitlist this summer, so there's no way to tell about stats until August. However, i think this will probably be the highest average of the 3 new schools (my own speculation). Only because Indianapolis as a location most likely drew in a lot more applicants than Alabama and North Carolina did.
 
DrMeows said:
Marian is very active in communicating with accepted students - they send out masses of new information monthly. They sent the statistic information to accepted students:

Average MCAT: 26.32
Average cGPA: 3.57
Average sGPA: 3.50
Average non-sGPA: 3.66

Obviously these statistics will probably drop a little as they weed through the waitlist this summer, so there's no way to tell about stats until August. However, i think this will probably be the highest average of the 3 new schools (my own speculation). Only because Indianapolis as a location most likely drew in a lot more applicants than Alabama and North Carolina did.
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Those are pretty good numbers and I agree. Indianapolis seems to be a very attractive city and it likely has such little competition for rotations to ensure that Marian is well off.

But yah, the numbers will likely change by August.
 
DrMeows said:
Obviously these statistics will probably drop a little as they weed through the waitlist this summer, so there's no way to tell about stats until August. However, i think this will probably be the highest average of the 3 new schools (my own speculation). Only because Indianapolis as a location most likely drew in a lot more applicants than Alabama and North Carolina did.
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NC is filled with medical schools like sardines in a can. It's hardly fair
 
Didierdrogba said:
NC is filled with medical schools like sardines in a can. It's hardly fair
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A student at NC with a decent amount of primary care volunteering and a 27 on the mcat can almost certainly get an MD acceptance. It makes me jelly.
 
Didierdrogba said:
NC is filled with medical schools like sardines in a can. It's hardly fair
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I didn't mean anything by my comment other than the fact that I've heard ACOM and CUSOM aren't near very populous areas. More people are normally attracted to bigger cities.
 
serenade said:
A student at NC with a decent amount of primary care volunteering and a 27 on the mcat can almost certainly get an MD acceptance. It makes me jelly.
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Seriously, it's been a while since I applied but I still think I got f***ed over by the lack of public med schools in my home state. Whereas in FL or NC, each state has approximately 100 public med schools, in WA, FIVE states share one public medical school. It's messed up.
 
Didierdrogba said:
Seriously, it's been a while since I applied but I still think I got f***ed over by the lack of public med schools in my home state. Whereas in FL or NC, each state has approximately 100 public med schools, in WA, FIVE states share one public medical school. It's messed up.
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Yeah, its not very fair. My state only has one medical school, and if you dont have a 30 MCAT, then your SOL
 
DrMeows said:
Marian is very active in communicating with accepted students - they send out masses of new information monthly. They sent the statistic information to accepted students:
Average MCAT: 26.32
Average cGPA: 3.57
Average sGPA: 3.50
Average non-sGPA: 3.66

Obviously these statistics will probably drop a little as they weed through the waitlist this summer, so there's no way to tell about stats until August. However, i think this will probably be the highest average of the 3 new schools (my own speculation). Only because Indianapolis as a location most likely drew in a lot more applicants than Alabama and North Carolina did.
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The key words here are 'accepted students'--not matriculated ones. I suspect the average stats of matriculated ones will be much lower (3.4 c/sGPA and 24-25 mcat). However, this a a good start for a new school.
 
Didierdrogba said:
Seriously, it's been a while since I applied but I still think I got f***ed over by the lack of public med schools in my home state. Whereas in FL or NC, each state has approximately 100 public med schools, in WA, FIVE states share one public medical school. It's messed up.
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Yeah, it's not really fair....I'm in fl and we have 6 public MD, 1 private MD and 2 private DO schools
 
It seems the general trend is..the more people that live in a state, the more med schools they have. Makes sense.
 
I know of two students that are choosing Marian over IU because they didn't get into the main campus. They would rather study in Indianapolis than be stuck in Terre Haute or Evansville. I expect a lot of Indiana residents to apply to both and keep the GPA high.
 
lmag said:
I know of two students that are choosing Marian over IU because they didn't get into the main campus. They would rather study in Indianapolis than be stuck in Terre Haute or Evansville. I expect a lot of Indiana residents to apply to both and keep the GPA high.
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From what my friend told me, it is very hard to get into IU's medical school with less than a 30 on the mcat, which is prolly why so many people apply to Marian in the state of Indiana.

I'm surprised tho, if Indiana is a state school and the only one in the state, why dont they take care of more in state students, like Georgia does with MCG and Mercer?
 
Temperature101 said:
The key words here are 'accepted students'--not matriculated ones. I suspect the average stats of matriculated ones will be much lower (3.4 c/sGPA and 24-25 mcat). However, this a a good start for a new school.
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It might be statistics for ppl that have put down deposits.
 
I feel there are many unfounded claims on here towards the new schools so I encourage each of you to take what is said with a grain of salt, SDN isn't often a mirror of reality.
Two quick comments,

1. When exploring new programs there are certain things that definitely must be weighed. Yet, even the best medical schools in the countries have weak spots. Pros/Cons to each program must be weighed for each individual, uniquely. Find the environment where you can thrive and grow to your best potential. You may get into the best program in the country but that doesn't guarantee you success or happiness or even a promising future... because potential means little if it never comes to fruition. If at the end of your cycle you realize, as I did, that the environment that provides you what you as an individual need to become the kind of doctor you are developing into is actually a new program or young program, don't fret it. Just be happy that you found the right place for you to thrive and grow in. I am thrilled and grateful to be part of an inaugural class and I would not choose to be anywhere else than where I am.

2. I am happy to see Marian drawing such strong applicants and I am hopeful that program will produce many great doctors in the coming years. I know little of ACOM but I hope for the same. CUSOM is in a state with other medical schools but I must say that it is already evident we are a unique breed, that choose to be where we are. We had over 3800 applicants for our class (2017) and I anticipate more for this cycle. 25% of our class is from NC at this point and the next largest group is coming from California, a state with cut-throat competitive IS programs. Here is an article on CUSOM, from earlier today

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2013/06/16/1259051?sac=fo.local
 
user3 said:
It might be statistics for ppl that have put down deposits.
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This. Those numbers weren't all accepted student averages. It was average stats of deposited students after the second deposit date when all seats had been deposited.
 
Mosonik said:
I feel there are many unfounded claims on here towards the new schools so I encourage each of you to take what is said with a grain of salt, SDN isn't often a mirror of reality.
Two quick comments,

1. When exploring new programs there are certain things that definitely must be weighed. Yet, even the best medical schools in the countries have weak spots. Pros/Cons to each program must be weighed for each individual, uniquely. Find the environment where you can thrive and grow to your best potential. You may get into the best program in the country but that doesn't guarantee you success or happiness or even a promising future... because potential means little if it never comes to fruition. If at the end of your cycle you realize, as I did, that the environment that provides you what you as an individual need to become the kind of doctor you are developing into is actually a new program or young program, don't fret it. Just be happy that you found the right place for you to thrive and grow in. I am thrilled and grateful to be part of an inaugural class and I would not choose to be anywhere else than where I am.

2. I am happy to see Marian drawing such strong applicants and I am hopeful that program will produce many great doctors in the coming years. I know little of ACOM but I hope for the same. CUSOM is in a state with other medical schools but I must say that it is already evident we are a unique breed, that choose to be where we are. We had over 3800 applicants for our class (2017) and I anticipate more for this cycle. 25% of our class is from NC at this point and the next largest group is coming from California, a state with cut-throat competitive IS programs. Here is an article on CUSOM, from earlier today

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2013/06/16/1259051?sac=fo.local
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You're really defensive of CUSOM.

Anyways, Marian is from what I hear an extremely established school.You have applicants who had acceptances to schools in the Top Tier of DO choosing to get there. It implies they really have something valuable there or are the first DO school to be reasonable and give their inaugural class a freak'n scholarship for being a guinea pig.
 
serenade said:
A lot of DO apps put down mutliple deposits tbh.
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Yep that's true too...so of course the numbers could potentially change a little. What he is saying is still correct, meaning the quoted numbers are probably much more representative of what the actual numbers will look like compared to if they gave us the stats from all accepted students from the entire cycle. Also, I can't see that many people putting down 2nd deposits at that many places...1st deposits, ya ok, but the 2nd as well and we are talking a lot of $ haha.
 
Ohio has a lot of schools too. But the public MDs accept a lot of OOS...
 
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