Non Trad : What are my chances?

[SomeOtherGuy]

I just recently received my MCAT score and am now concerned about my chances for an MD school and was wondering if I genuinely have a chance anymore?

To begin, the major thing holding me back from the get go has been my university GPA. I have already graduated, and my GPA is just shy of 3.5. The reason is solely my first two years at University. I began as a physics major and was interested in joining the Navy Nuclear programs the university offered.

Unfortunately I am a Type I diabetic, I anticipated not being able to be deployed but the Navy wouldn't even take me as an engineer. Its all I ever wanted to do and had no idea what I was going to do with my life at that point, I ended up with below a 2.0 and was on academic probation.

In asking around for potential degree platforms, I learned about an Environmental Health/Occupational Safety degree. I could find work easily with government contractors which in my area are plentiful. The thing is, at my university, the degree isn't law based. Instead, it focused on public health courses. So it required a lot of STEM courses which was unusual, it was actually 1:1 with a premed biology major save for advanced genetics courses etc.

At this point I was putting myself through school. I was doing local work to pay tuition, and needed to save money and build confidence so I enrolled at community college. I made a 4.0 at my community college, transferred a lot of my credits over, and began finishing my degree at university.

I learned I LOVED medicine. I was also extremely good at it. I have made a 4.0 since starting back at University, I also retook a lot of the classes I failed my first years (Chemistry, Physics, Philosophy) I made As in all of them. I have tutored dozens of students in the subjects that used to destroy me, and I know with certainty that I have the ability to be a great doctor.

However, despite retaking the same courses, my University had changed the course IDs of these classes over the years. As such, I am still stuck with the failing first two semesters on my transcript and it has KILLED my GPA. Retaking the courses and making As has done little to improve that. Again, since then all my Academia has been 4.0.

Another problem I think I have is the time it took for my degree (6 years), I had to take a year off from school because I was in a head on auto accident that almost killed me. I was supposed to have already applied by early 2014 but it put off my academic calendar almost two years it was so traumatic. It also made money extremely tight for a long time, having lost a car and living with a rental. Again, I was working full time to make it through school.

I also have, I think, some great extra curricular. I will be volunteering soon, but I have shadowed one of the nations top surgeons in his field (extremely lucky to get THAT opportunity). I also have the opportunity to shadow some more specialists in the coming months should I choose.

I also, am again, Type I diabetic. It has given me a lot of learning opportunity for sure. I also have several years of geriatric care, as I essentially have been a nurses aid to my ailing grandmother over the years, she has had a litany of health issues ranging from asbestos exposure (she grew up in Libby Mt., biggest asbestos mine in the world), to graves disease. Lastly I have a years + research in Public health with the government, doing statistics and such.

I knew it was a long shot, but I kept stabbing at it for the past several years. In prepping for my MCAT I was extremely confident. I scored a 520 on my best practice FL and a 510 on my lowest! My MCAT was supposed to be my ticket out.

I made a 506. I have NO IDEA what happened. I did 90% on BB, and CP, but made 50% on PSYCHOLOGY. I walked out of my test certain that PS was my best section. It KILLED my grade. I expected to be inadequate on CARS, my scores would vary wildly on my FLs for CARS. PS whooped me.

I don't know if I have a chance now at all. I'm starting a 100 day study plan for a Jan retake, but am I truly fudged now? How well do I HAVE to do to prove my competence?

I want to go MD, specifically VCU (instate). Its my #1 choice as my girlfriend is doing her masters there. Do I have a chance there at all? Or anywhere?

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[Goro]

It's very hard to read your post given that one has to wade through a Stephen King length novella.

What is your cGPA? sGPA?

 

[SomeOtherGuy]

It's very hard to read your post given that one has to wade through a Stephen King length novella.

What is your cGPA? sGPA?

I tried to be as succinct as possible. Given that this is the non traditional subforum I thought an explanation of my situation was relevant, as I feel there is a lot going against me, but my ECs are amazing? If I could trim it down I would.

My university cGPA is 3.46, sGPA is 3.6. A question about that I had thought to ask, in calculating my cGPA, do they want only my University cGPA? or should I factor in community college credits? With CC credits it would be closer to 3.6 cGPA and 3.8 sGPA.

 

[DoctorLane]

It's very hard to read your post given that one has to wade through a Stephen King length novella.

What is your cGPA? sGPA?

It may be an extremely difficult task for you, but is it completely necessary to be so condescending and infinitely cynical in your responses to people who have genuine concerns about their future?

I find the attitudes around these forums to be a bit ironic, considering everyone on SDN is either in medical school, affiliated with a medical school, or applying to medical school in order to treat patients.

SDN is chock full of nerds, narcissists and keyboard warriors with overinflated egos that take pleasure in making people feel bad.

If you feel the need to be critical, also provide something constructive to HELP.

 

[precisiongraphic]

It may be an extremely difficult task for you, but is it completely necessary to be so condescending and infinitely cynical in your responses to people who have genuine concerns about their future?

I find the attitudes around these forums to be a bit ironic, considering everyone on SDN is either in medical school, affiliated with a medical school, or applying to medical school in order to treat patients.

SDN is chock full of nerds, narcissists and keyboard warriors with overinflated egos that take pleasure in making people feel bad.

If you feel the need to be critical, also provide something constructive to HELP.

I too read the post but declined to answer it because it was so long and there was no clear cut question. Needed a TL;DR summary paragraph.

It has 85 views and no one else was nice enough to answer.

At least Goro was helpful enough to post a question to lead to a helpful answer. Goro is one of the more helpful people here but has the desire to cut to the important parts of a question. There's nothing wrong with that and he wasn't rude.

 

[Goro]

If I'm going to volunteer my time to help someone, they can at least make it easier on me.

People don't come here for hugs and kisses, but realistic advice.

It may be an extremely difficult task for you, but is it completely necessary to be so condescending and infinitely cynical in your responses to people who have genuine concerns about their future?

I find the attitudes around these forums to be a bit ironic, considering everyone on SDN is either in medical school, affiliated with a medical school, or applying to medical school in order to treat patients.

SDN is chock full of nerds, narcissists and keyboard warriors with overinflated egos that take pleasure in making people feel bad.

If you feel the need to be critical, also provide something constructive to HELP.

 

[Goro]

cGPA and sGPA are everything that you took while in college, and that's what counts. Many schools will give more weight to the last 2-3 years of coursework, however.

Teaching moment: We get it, you're type I diabetic. No need to mention > 1x however. A one's life story isn't needed as well. And trying to get credit for taking care of a family member is the same as trying to get credit for breathing. What have you done for strangers? For people less fortunate than yourself???

So are your ECs? Other than shadowing a surgeon, big name or not. 99% of most Adcom members will not have heard of him, unless it's Denton Cooley.

With a 506. a strong upward trend in GPA, I suggest the following:

Temple
Jefferson
Drexel
WVU
Rosy Franklin
MCW
SLU
Creighton
Loma Linda (but read their list of don'ts)
Albany
NYMC
VCU
Oakland-B
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Rush (note: very service/experience oriented with a 150 hr service requirement. Avg student has 800 hours of community service, and >1800 hours of health care exposure.)
Netter
Your state school(s).
Any DO school.

I tried to be as succinct as possible. Given that this is the non traditional subforum I thought an explanation of my situation was relevant, as I feel there is a lot going against me, but my ECs are amazing? If I could trim it down I would.

My university cGPA is 3.46, sGPA is 3.6. A question about that I had thought to ask, in calculating my cGPA, do they want only my University cGPA? or should I factor in community college credits? With CC credits it would be closer to 3.6 cGPA and 3.8 sGPA.

 

[eject]

It may be an extremely difficult task for you, but is it completely necessary to be so condescending and infinitely cynical in your responses to people who have genuine concerns about their future?

I find the attitudes around these forums to be a bit ironic, considering everyone on SDN is either in medical school, affiliated with a medical school, or applying to medical school in order to treat patients.

SDN is chock full of nerds, narcissists and keyboard warriors with overinflated egos that take pleasure in making people feel bad.

If you feel the need to be critical, also provide something constructive to HELP.

I don't think Goro's post is condescending. Two indispensable traits needed to get through med school and residency: (1) the ability to communicate clearly and succinctly (somebody's got to get the OP out of the habit of talking/writing that way, immediately), (2) the ability to accept constructive criticism (which is HELP, btw) without reading in "condescension" or bad intent. Best of luck.

 

[SomeOtherGuy]

A one's life story isn't needed as well.

A significant reason I posted was an attempt to glean what information I should include in my letter and to shore up some weaknesses for interviews, so I feel it was absolutely necessary though I understand I didn't exactly ask that question. I only mentioned the aspects of my life that I feel may have impacted my grades, or might raise any questions in an interview to gain some perspective on my situation.

I understand the need to downplay "taking care of family" as a checkpoint but I feel that you are being a bit dismissive there. I literally manage all aspects of my Grandmother's healthcare, from managing her medications, to cooking her meals, to taking her to her appointments. She is borderline demented so she can't handle these things, and she has hip issues and is prone to falling. I have quite literally been a home nurse without pay, and have read books on geriatric care to make sure I don't hurt her in helping her get up/down etc. It goes far beyond just "helping" family and approaches clinical experience. That should also fall into your "What do you do for others?" question pretty squarely. Would you agree?

I should also elaborate that all the tutoring I have done is voluntary. I was never employed for any of it. I would typically email professors that I knew and would schedule time for students that were struggling in subjects like Anatomy and Chemistry. I would end up essentially teaching classes of 4-6 students per subject. Its not official volunteer time I can cite, though I can easily provide dozens of names of students and professors to corroborate that fact. Would that be worth bringing up?

I also had the idea to try and record some youtube lectures, I actually used to be paid by youtubers to edit videos and do art and stuff. Made it into a times techland article once lol. Think that is worth pursuing? Would they like that?

I am looking in the next several months on getting more volunteer time with either the red cross or a local hospital, as those are the ones I understand most students end up volunteering with and it obviously is more easy to cite.

My last two big questions are this: is a retake worthwhile considering I'm targeting VCU specifically? It is instate, but it is so much worse than what I expected and I believe the last time I checked their mean acceptance was 508. With a spotty GPA and a lengthy undergrad time I'm unsure whether or not to proceed.

 

[precisiongraphic]

A significant reason I posted was an attempt to glean what information I should include in my letter and to shore up some weaknesses for interviews, so I feel it was absolutely necessary though I understand I didn't exactly ask that question. I only mentioned the aspects of my life that I feel may have impacted my grades, or might raise any questions in an interview to gain some perspective on my situation.

I understand the need to downplay "taking care of family" as a checkpoint but I feel that you are being a bit dismissive there. I literally manage all aspects of my Grandmother's healthcare, from managing her medications, to cooking her meals, to taking her to her appointments. She is borderline demented so she can't handle these things, and she has hip issues and is prone to falling. I have quite literally been a home nurse without pay, and have read books on geriatric care to make sure I don't hurt her in helping her get up/down etc. It goes far beyond just "helping" family and approaches clinical experience. That should also fall into your "What do you do for others?" question pretty squarely. Would you agree?

I should also elaborate that all the tutoring I have done is voluntary. I was never employed for any of it. I would typically email professors that I knew and would schedule time for students that were struggling in subjects like Anatomy and Chemistry. I would end up essentially teaching classes of 4-6 students per subject. Its not official volunteer time I can cite, though I can easily provide dozens of names of students and professors to corroborate that fact. Would that be worth bringing up?

I also had the idea to try and record some youtube lectures, I actually used to be paid by youtubers to edit videos and do art and stuff. Made it into a times techland article once lol. Think that is worth pursuing? Would they like that?

I am looking in the next several months on getting more volunteer time with either the red cross or a local hospital, as those are the ones I understand most students end up volunteering with and it obviously is more easy to cite.

My last two big questions are this: is a retake worthwhile considering I'm targeting VCU specifically? It is instate, but it is so much worse than what I expected and I believe the last time I checked their mean acceptance was 508. With a spotty GPA and a lengthy undergrad time I'm unsure whether or not to proceed.

It's still hard to parse all your questions - maybe bullet points would help.

1) Before investigating this process, I thought that personal experiences helping family members (or personal illnesses) would be great springboards for Personal Statements but from those Admission Committee members (adcoms) posts that I've seen on here I believe that that is not true.

2) However, what you've learned about yourself and the medical process can be interesting. But just facing personal of family health challenges won't get you there.

3) Family is not "others". Others are unrelated to you. Strangers are others.

4) I'll let others more knowledgeable weigh in on whether you should retake but my gut says "no" unless you can score 518 or more. Scoring the same or less would be deadly.

5) Regarding the spotty GPA - you can alleviate that through ECs, volunteering and your statement of purpose.

6) However, being set on just one school is seen as a loosing proposition. The acceptance rate for most schools is very low ( like ~2% for some) so each applicant needs 10 or more choices. If you are totally limited by geography or preference, it is likely that you'll be disappointed.

7) @eject is a Resident - a real Med school grad - and @Goro is an AdComm member. Listen to them. Running off at the mouth will kill your interview when you get to that stage. Learn to be succinct. You'll thank them later.

 

[Goro]

This is one of your ECs. It's fine. Testimonials don't work in med school apps.

I should also elaborate that all the tutoring I have done is voluntary. I was never employed for any of it. I would typically email professors that I knew and would schedule time for students that were struggling in subjects like Anatomy and Chemistry. I would end up essentially teaching classes of 4-6 students per subject. Its not official volunteer time I can cite, though I can easily provide dozens of names of students and professors to corroborate that fact. Would that be worth bringing up?

It's more important that YOU like it. Don't do stuff that you think an Adcom likes. Do what you love, and love what you do. Avoid having a checklist mentality.

I also had the idea to try and record some youtube lectures, I actually used to be paid by youtubers to edit videos and do art and stuff. Made it into a times techland article once lol. Think that is worth pursuing? Would they like that?

Are you only looking at VCU? That's like saying VCU or no career in Medicine. What if you get an interview at VCU and decide that you hate the place? Or get rejected from it???? Agree 100% with the thought that a retake is a foolish idea.

My last two big questions are this: is a retake worthwhile considering I'm targeting VCU specifically? It is instate, but it is so much worse than what I expected and I believe the last time I checked their mean acceptance was 508. With a spotty GPA and a lengthy undergrad time I'm unsure whether or not to proceed.[/QUOTE]

 

[libertyyne]

A few things I noticed reading your novel.
1. You externalize a lot of blame for your condition. Type I, car accident, having to work during school, university's course catalog changing.
2. You make unsubstantiated claims love of medicineby referencing you GPA, occupational health being law based , great ecs without volunteering.
3. Are you in your early 20's? .
4. Are you an esl student?
5. Are you Asian?

Your GPS is ok, your mcat is subpar. You may gain acceptance to a DO school. MD is going to be harder.

Your ECs don't seem very impressive especially when you reference taking care of your grand mother and shadowing a famous surgeon as being amazing. I don't see any clinical experience listed either. How do you know you would even like medicine besides shadowing the surgeon for an unspecified amount of time.

Your writing style also leaves a lot to be desired.

Your LizzyM score is 63.60 you are in the bottom half of all applicants and the bottom quartile of all matriculants.

30% chance of matriculation based on aamc historical data. Not a long shot but not great either. I would apply broadly.

It is not the end of the world, But you are a candidate that needs a very compelling story and ecs to match it with well written Ps.

I would start by writing down all your ec's and life experiences that you want to share or you think would be meaningful and reevaluate them with a lens of what your learned about your self rather than how they held you back. Just my two cents.

 

[SomeOtherGuy]

It's more important that YOU like it. Don't do stuff that you think an Adcom likes. Do what you love, and love what you do. Avoid having a checklist mentality.

I love it. I offered my time mostly because I enjoy doing it and get good feedback from my students. Its one of the reasons I decided to try medicine. I am told I'm very good at breaking things down so people can understand and I think I would do great with patient care.

1. You externalize a lot of blame for your condition. Type I, car accident, having to work during school, university's course catalog changing.
2. You make unsubstantiated claims love of medicineby referencing you GPA, occupational health being law based , great ecs without volunteering.
3. Are you in your early 20's? .
4. Are you an esl student?
5. Are you Asian?

1. I understand that sort of thing is looked down on for sure, but I think its understandable that I mention those considering they certainly impacted my application and were genuinely out of my control. If I could have avoided Diabetes trust me I would love to. Same goes for the auto accident, but a teen hit me head on going 50 while texting and I was out of commission because of it. I matured once I knew what I wanted to do and my GPA reflects that I think. The long undergrad was largely due to the car accident, I couldn't have done anything to prevent it. The working while in school was never a problem for me, I worked full time and made great grades.

2. I think this is where I should've elaborated more. I know both you and Goro mention helping my grandmother as not being significant but it has absolutely been. I have hundreds, if not a few thousand hours clinical experience in dealing with her medical issues. I've seen how these doctors work and I know the types of pitfalls they run into when making diagnoses etc. I can tell which ones are great at their jobs and which ones should've picked a different career quite readily. I have hundreds of stories I could bring up regarding her care, I'm reluctant to detail them because everyone keeps telling me that I'm rambling but if you want some more specific examples of it being relevant clinical experience I'd be happy to share.

3. Not anymore no.
4. Nope.
5. Nope.

Are you only looking at VCU? That's like saying VCU or no career in Medicine. What if you get an interview at VCU and decide that you hate the place? Or get rejected from it???? Agree 100% with the thought that a retake is a foolish idea.

It's my number 1 choice, but I would be applying broadly and don't mind going elsewhere at all. MD is what I was shooting for, as I have not had a great experience with most DO care.

Are you certain a retake is out of the question? How much higher would I have to score to be an improvement? Again, I do feel as if my grade was a fluke as my FLs had me scoring much higher, averaged 512 ish.

Would preparing for a retake, and if my FLs aren't great approaching the test date and abandoning it be a viable strategy?

 

[Goro]

OK, but for purposes of giving you advice, and for med school applications, this info is irrelevant. You MAY have prompts in your secondaries that ask "Anything else you wanna tell us?" or "Explain any poor grades". That's the place to discuss these.



1. I understand that sort of thing is looked down on for sure, but I think its understandable that I mention those considering they certainly impacted my application and were genuinely out of my control. If I could have avoided Diabetes trust me I would love to. Same goes for the auto accident, but a teen hit me head on going 50 while texting and I was out of commission because of it. I matured once I knew what I wanted to do and my GPA reflects that I think. The long undergrad was largely due to the car accident, I couldn't have done anything to prevent it. The working while in school was never a problem for me, I worked full time and made great grades.

Again, we're telling you that Adcoms don't want to hear this. You need to show Adcoms that you know what you're getting into and that being around sick and injured strangers, who may be not as nice as Gramma, is what you want to do for the next 30-40 years.

2. I think this is where I should've elaborated more. I know both you and Goro mention helping my grandmother as not being significant but it has absolutely been. I have hundreds, if not a few thousand hours clinical experience in dealing with her medical issues. I've seen how these doctors work and I know the types of pitfalls they run into when making diagnoses etc. I can tell which ones are great at their jobs and which ones should've picked a different career quite readily. I have hundreds of stories I could bring up regarding her care, I'm reluctant to detail them because everyone keeps telling me that I'm rambling but if you want some more specific examples of it being relevant clinical experience I'd be happy to share.

Beggars can't be choosy. You need some DO schools on your list. Med school shave a seller's market and they can afford to turn away even more talented applicants than you.

It's my number 1 choice, but I would be applying broadly and don't mind going elsewhere at all. MD is what I was shooting for, as I have not had a great experience with most DO care.

Retaking a good score can lead some Adcom members (like me) to question your judgment. We want students who make good choices. Most people who retake the MCAT only marginally improve, stay the same, or do worse. You would need a jump of ~6 points to be impressive, and also need ALL your subscores to be good. Otherwise it appears that you can only keep 3 of 4 balls in the air while you're juggling content mastery. Also, many schools will average MCAT scores because averaged scores have better predictability of med school performance.

Are you certain a retake is out of the question? How much higher would I have to score to be an improvement? Again, I do feel as if my grade was a fluke as my FLs had me scoring much higher, averaged 512 ish.

Would preparing for a retake, and if my FLs aren't great approaching the test date and abandoning it be a viable strategy?[/QUOTE]

 

[JustPlainBill]

I love it. I offered my time mostly because I enjoy doing it and get good feedback from my students. Its one of the reasons I decided to try medicine. I am told I'm very good at breaking things down so people can understand and I think I would do great with patient care.



1. I understand that sort of thing is looked down on for sure, but I think its understandable that I mention those considering they certainly impacted my application and were genuinely out of my control. If I could have avoided Diabetes trust me I would love to. Same goes for the auto accident, but a teen hit me head on going 50 while texting and I was out of commission because of it. I matured once I knew what I wanted to do and my GPA reflects that I think. The long undergrad was largely due to the car accident, I couldn't have done anything to prevent it. The working while in school was never a problem for me, I worked full time and made great grades.

2. I think this is where I should've elaborated more. I know both you and Goro mention helping my grandmother as not being significant but it has absolutely been. I have hundreds, if not a few thousand hours clinical experience in dealing with her medical issues. I've seen how these doctors work and I know the types of pitfalls they run into when making diagnoses etc. I can tell which ones are great at their jobs and which ones should've picked a different career quite readily. I have hundreds of stories I could bring up regarding her care, I'm reluctant to detail them because everyone keeps telling me that I'm rambling but if you want some more specific examples of it being relevant clinical experience I'd be happy to share.

3. Not anymore no.
4. Nope.
5. Nope.



It's my number 1 choice, but I would be applying broadly and don't mind going elsewhere at all. MD is what I was shooting for, as I have not had a great experience with most DO care.

Are you certain a retake is out of the question? How much higher would I have to score to be an improvement? Again, I do feel as if my grade was a fluke as my FLs had me scoring much higher, averaged 512 ish.

Would preparing for a retake, and if my FLs aren't great approaching the test date and abandoning it be a viable strategy?

Ok -- I haven't taken the time to read the initial novel, just skimmed it briefly. Being a non-traditional applicant who subsequently struggled and yet managed to graduate both medical school and residency, gain board certification and now have been in practice 3 years as an attending physician, I thought I might be able to shed some light and/or offer comments (either inappropriate or appropriate as the case may be).

1) OP -- recognize that you are being argumentative with people who are trying to help you. From an attending physician perspective, if I had a student who was trying to have this type of back and forth with me while I was rounding on wards, I would have put you down --- hard. There's a fine difference between aggressively pursuing your goal and being argumentative. You are the latter or so it seems to me.

2) Do not confuse taking care of a family member with clinical experience. It is not and never will be clinical experience. And no, you do not have the education, training or background to call it such. Saying that taking care of a sick loved one, no matter how involved, is the equivalent of "a few thousand hours of clinical experience" is an insult to those of us who really do have 'a few thousand hours of clinical experience'. It ranks right up there with saying,"I've done my research" when you really mean you've done a Google search and read a few things vs really researching the literature via PubMed. Stop that right now and if you're smart, you won't say that on interviews or in applications as it will get you pegged as a pompous ass with delusions of grandeur.

3) What happened to you prior to medical school may be interesting in a tertiary kind of way but adcoms really don't care -- from their perspective, they've got 150 applications for each seat in a class of maybe 100 to 150 students -- what makes you so special over a young kid who's been in the pipeline, has all the prereqs from a major university with a 3.7 or higher GPA, average to above average MCAT, true volunteer hours and experiences that have let them see the inside of a physicians office as a worker? Your "life experience" doesn't necessarily make up for that in the MD world. In the DO world, it counts for a bit more but I get the impression from reading your posts that you don't think highly of DOs -- it's ok, we've got a line out the door of people who want to be DOs and are ready to do what it takes to become one.

My advice -- function check your attitude, pay attention to what @Goro said and recognize we're trying to help you.

 

[precisiongraphic]

I started to reply but Goro and @JustPlainBill have said it all.

 

[psu228]

I know two MS3 at VCU who has worse stats then you and got in.. granted it was back in 2013 now I guess so you have to factor in the fact that gpa and MCAT for most programs rises each year.

I think you have a really solid chance there and it's definitely an awesome opportunity given the tuition for VA residents. For what it's worth, the guys I know there love it.

I would apply to a few DO programs to be safe! I'm sorry you had a negative experience with osteopaths but many if not most of them are terrific physicians and I'm sure you could be too given you work hard in med school.

Good luck!

 

[petomed]

I'm a nontrad as well and am concerned about gpa. Didn't focus on prereq's at all in undergrad or during M.S. degree but am taking what I need now. Any prereq's taken before postbac study were the fallout of mech. engineering course load. Hopefully I can keep nailing A's in the postbac but here are the stats breakdown:

Undergrad:
cGPA = 3.38
sGPA = 3.65

Grad school:
cGPA = 3.87
sGPA = none

Postbac:
cGPA = 4.0
sGPA = 4.0

Total:
cGPA = 3.51
sGPA = 3.75

Let's say other facets (rec letters, volunteering, mcat score) are average compared to admitted applicants. Is my GPA going to hurt me? Additional postbac bcmp classes don't move the gpa needle that much.

 

[Shotapp]

@thisisvj89

Someone can and will give you constructive feedback if you create your own thread.