Nova MD open!

[fldoctorgirl]

A friend of mine who is currently enrolled in Nova's DO program just forwarded me this email. I know many people on here were interested in applying to Nova this cycle if it were to open, so I figured I would share with you all.

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[fldoctorgirl]

"Students attending the NSU M.D. College will experience a unique hybrid problem-based learning curriculum that is more challenging and quite different from most medical school programs."

 

[IWillMakeIt1]

More detailed link :NSU MD College | College of Allopathic Medicine

 

[•Syzygy•]

yeah, apparently the school will appear on amcas late october

 

[IWillMakeIt1]

yeah, apparently the school will appear on amcas late october

I doubt many students will apply since its a brand schools and many aspects are not just 100% ready yet.

 

[fldoctorgirl]

I doubt many students will apply since its a brand schools and many aspects are not just 100% ready yet.

I agree with this. I'm an FL resident and don't think I will be applying. Things don't look super put together, and I'm not feeling their vague description of their PBL curriculum.

 

[allantois]

I agree with this. I'm an FL resident and don't think I will be applying. Things don't look super put together, and I'm not feeling their vague description of their PBL curriculum.

A ton of people are going to apply, especially if they haven't gotten an acceptance yet. All NSU programs are well-established in the state.

 

[fldoctorgirl]

A ton of people are going to apply, especially if they haven't gotten an acceptance yet. All NSU programs are well-established in the state.

I think people will apply, I just don't personally think it seems like a good fit for me. Their curriculum is described as being just like LECOM B's, and although it works for some people, I don't think it would for me.

This is definitely an awesome opportunity for those interested-- that's why I shared it here!

 

[SpecializedSurgeon]

I agree with this. I'm an FL resident and don't think I will be applying. Things don't look super put together, and I'm not feeling their vague description of their PBL curriculum.

Seems restrictive. The institution has been putting out physicians for some time now, so I bet they'll have a decent curriculum. And realize that whatever "new" curriculum each medical school is touting this year was probably en vogue at some point in the past, then got shucked in favor of some other "new" curriculum, then got revamped into a "new new" curriculum.... it's all just different ways of teaching the same stuff.

 

[djtallahassee]

Time to start prewriting some secondaries again for them and Carle

 

[SteyrFWB]

There will be quite a few strong first year DO students transferring to Nova MD next fall. There will be a few first year Nova DO students who had high MCAT 509/510/511 and high GPA, who somehow did not get MD acceptance but enrolled in their DO safety school. They will readmitted as first year Nova MD students.

It will be a win-win situation for those students who done well in first year DO school. The MD first year will be a breeze, if there ever is a breeze of 31credits/ semester !! Those student will do well on the USMLE step 1 due to their double first year exposure.

Nova MD welcomes those students to boost their benchmark when time comes for school's first USMLE Step 1 score ranking.

Nova MD dean told me DO students can not transfer into MD school, but they are more than welcome to apply for MD school. In fact, strong first year DO students will be a blessing to the first Nova MD class.

 

[•Syzygy•]

There will be quite a few strong first year DO students transferring to Nova MD next fall. There will be a few first year Nova DO students who had high MCAT 509/510/511 and high GPA, who somehow did not get MD acceptance but enrolled in their DO safety school. They will readmitted as first year Nova MD students.

It will be a win-win situation for those students who done well in first year DO school. The MD first year will be a breeze, if there ever is a breeze of 31credits/ semester !! Those student will do well on the USMLE step 1 due to their double first year exposure.

Nova MD welcomes those students to boost their benchmark when time comes for school's first USMLE Step 1 score ranking.

Nova MD dean told me DO students can not transfer into MD school, but they are more than welcome to apply for MD school. In fact, strong first year DO students will be a blessing to the first Nova MD class.

you said they are transferring and then say that they cannot transfer?

 

[Isoval]

As someone who was born and raised in Florida, I may consider applying.

UCF is the only other Florida school where I have not decided to withdraw my application (poor prospects on others due to OOS status) and it would be cool to throw my hat a little further into the ring.

 

[fldoctorgirl]

you said they are transferring and then say that they cannot transfer?

I think they're trying to say that they can reapply to the MD program and repeat first year, but cannot transfer as second years into the MD program.

 

[fldoctorgirl]

Seems restrictive. The institution has been putting out physicians for some time now, so I bet they'll have a decent curriculum. And realize that whatever "new" curriculum each medical school is touting this year was probably en vogue at some point in the past, then got shucked in favor of some other "new" curriculum, then got revamped into a "new new" curriculum.... it's all just different ways of teaching the same stuff.

I am just not a fan of pure PBL, to be honest. Can't argue that Nova has been putting out good physicians for awhile, though. Definitely a good option for many.

 

[Peach Newport]

There will be quite a few strong first year DO students transferring to Nova MD next fall. There will be a few first year Nova DO students who had high MCAT 509/510/511 and high GPA, who somehow did not get MD acceptance but enrolled in their DO safety school. They will readmitted as first year Nova MD students.

It will be a win-win situation for those students who done well in first year DO school. The MD first year will be a breeze, if there ever is a breeze of 31credits/ semester !! Those student will do well on the USMLE step 1 due to their double first year exposure.

Nova MD welcomes those students to boost their benchmark when time comes for school's first USMLE Step 1 score ranking.

Nova MD dean told me DO students can not transfer into MD school, but they are more than welcome to apply for MD school. In fact, strong first year DO students will be a blessing to the first Nova MD class.

WOAH. HOLD UP.

You're gonna have to give some links and supporting evidence for this, because this sounds like fake news.

If true, it's a big deal - an new MD school advertising that it will accept applicants from top-performing DO students?!

That's a real slap in the face to DOs ("if you do well enough, you can become an MD!")

It also openly poaches the best students from other DO schools.

I'm extremely skeptical. I was under the impression that MD schools, as a general rule, do not accept any students who have matriculated at any medical school.

 

[sss1219]

@Goro @gyngyn I know we should be weary of applying to newer schools and especially those without match lists, but has there been any negative news along the grapevine or things us applicants may want to think about before sending an application to this school?

 

[calivianya]

I will certainly apply. Nova's DO school is the only DO school I've completed my secondary for thus far because it's the only place I'd really like to go, and I'd rather go MD than DO... even if it is a new MD program.

Besides, it would be nice to be early somewhere. I was complete so dang late most places because of my procrastinating letter writers that I feel like it's hurt me a lot, as a lot of my top choice schools are very heavily rolling. It would be nice to be one of the first applications verified and processed somewhere instead of one of the last.

What I'm curious about is what a school having both a DO and an MD program really looks like. Are the two degree programs going to share faculty, even share classrooms for some classes? If the MD program does well, is Nova going to keep the DO program at all?

 

[Peach Newport]

I will certainly apply. Nova's DO school is the only DO school I've completed my secondary for thus far because it's the only place I'd really like to go, and I'd rather go MD than DO... even if it is a new MD program.

Besides, it would be nice to be early somewhere. I was complete so dang late most places because of my procrastinating letter writers that I feel like it's hurt me a lot, as a lot of my top choice schools are very heavily rolling. It would be nice to be one of the first applications verified and processed somewhere instead of one of the last.

What I'm curious about is what a school having both a DO and an MD program really looks like. Are the two degree programs going to share faculty, even share classrooms for some classes? If the MD program does well, is Nova going to keep the DO program at all?

Michigan State and Rowan are also 2 schools that have both an MD and a DO program. They're separate campuses, and the preclinical years are separate, but I believe both schools share rotation sites.

 

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[liquidcrawler]

If they start accepting AMCAS submissions in late October they have their work cut out for them! I wonder if they are expecting a smaller applicant pool because it is later in the cycle, fewer people may know this is an opportunity because it is new, and many people have checked out of the app process by now. However, the growing number of new medical schools with a static number of residencies always worries me. It's not so much the positions available, as there are always unfilled slots - it is more so the competition for the more desirable residencies that will increase.

 

[SteyrFWB]

DO students can apply to MD schools afresh. All DO students, not just first year DO students, can apply.

Just don't know their admission chances.

Nova is a very private school, tuition is very high. They make tons of money on medical education . Once they made tons of money on AA (anesthesia assistant) , they opened up Bradenton AA branch. They look forward to open up Clearwater DO branch and push Nova yearly DO number to 600 graduates per year.

It is just good businesses for Nova.

So from a financial perspective, they are probably more inclined to take first year DO students from other school, while keep their own DO number afloat.

Most DO/MD schools have separate campuses. Michigan State, Rowen, and Virginia Tech DO/MD are all independent with completely separate campuses.

For now, admission office of Nova DO is on fourth floor of Terry Building. Admission office of Nova MD is on fifth floor .

Many students have already went up one floor and ask if they can apply.

Answer is yes.

As for residency positions after graduation in face of mounting new school opening, the overall number of graduating US students is still way less than all available residency positions.

In addition, there are New residency programs popping up yearly.

On top of that, residency positions are edging out the foreign graduates. FMG used to taken up 1/3 of residency positions, mostly from Indian subcontinent. Now those positions are for US graduates first, then FMG second .

 

[PreMedMissteps]

There will be quite a few strong first year DO students transferring to Nova MD next fall. There will be a few first year Nova DO students who had high MCAT 509/510/511 and high GPA, who somehow did not get MD acceptance but enrolled in their DO safety school. They will readmitted as first year Nova MD students.

It will be a win-win situation for those students who done well in first year DO school. The MD first year will be a breeze, if there ever is a breeze of 31credits/ semester !! Those student will do well on the USMLE step 1 due to their double first year exposure.

Nova MD welcomes those students to boost their benchmark when time comes for school's first USMLE Step 1 score ranking.

Nova MD dean told me DO students can not transfer into MD school, but they are more than welcome to apply for MD school. In fact, strong first year DO students will be a blessing to the first Nova MD class.

The idea of MS1 DO students repeating MS1 at their MD version sounds crazy expensive in the long run. Seems to me that it would be better to let them finish MS2 at the DO version, and then let them apply/transfer to the MD version for clinical rotation 3rd year. Seems like Nova could let current MS2 students with Step scores apply to transfer for MS3...or would that not work? If possible, it would mean that Nova would have MD version students in rotations next year.

 

[Kkshake]

The fact that DOs would want to do that after beginning the DO program is offensive. If they have no respect for the field, then they shouldn't have gone to DO school in the first place and definitely shouldn't become an MD because it illustrates that they'd look down on fellow DO coworkers. It's like DOs paying to have their degree switched to MD. There's a reason that was ended.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

The fact that DOs would want to do that after beginning the DO program is offensive. If they have no respect for the field, then they shouldn't have gone to DO school in the first place

Yes, you do have a point. I was more thinking of DO students who now want a highly competitive specialty and they fear that those program directors are going to prefer MD....because that does frequently happen.

 

[SteyrFWB]

Reapplying to MD after first year DO does not make sense for most DO students. DO schools are expensive, once you have invested one or two years, that is beyond the point of financial no return. To start all over, is just too costly financially for students.

But for some students who just started, the application to ONE MD school that just opened on the same administration building, is a very plausible option. This reapplication is simple and just a few button clicks away. Interview is just one floor up.

Now most people talking here, are not in that position.

Whether it be DO or MD, patients and your future medical colleagues don't give a darn. What make a difference is your specialty of choice. And that depends heavily on USMLE Step 1 score.

Some freshman DO students are willing to restart, and hope they will do much better than average on this Step 1 exam, get a leg up on getting in the competitive specialty choice of their choosing. For them, twenty years down, looking back in the long haul, restarting MD might be a wind-fall for them.

Now we are talking about a very specific school, a very specific temporal short window of opportunity for some students. Some Nova first year DO students will grab it.

Traditionally, DO taking USMLE Step 1 will have lower score than MD average. But there are many outliers who do score well. Most DO goes into primary care. Quite a few are going into orthopedics, but those are DO run orthopedics programs. Down the road, those DO orthopedics program will be opening up to MD applicants, so competition will be very keen.

So as long as you are confident about doing well in your perspective DO school, I DO NOT see a need to reapply to MD school.

 

[Dr. Scribe]

I am 100% going to apply here and I think other students who haven't heard back from schools will do so as well. Considering that it is a new school AND not many people will know about it being open now, I think we'll have a good shot. Thanks so much to OP. My brother goes to NSU right now for DO school and he didn't even tell me about this lol.

 

[Goro]

"Students attending the NSU M.D. College will experience a unique hybrid problem-based learning curriculum that is more challenging and quite different from most medical school programs."

This alone fills me with a sense of dread for prospective students there.

Applicants to the pioneer class at Nova will need to go in eyes open that they're guinea pigs.

 

[avhopeful]

Posting so that I can hear when the primary app opens.

 

[Dr. Scribe]

This alone fills me with a sense of dread for prospective students there.

Applicants to the pioneer class at Nova will need to go in eyes open that they're guinea pigs.

Yea thats true, but for someone who is only accepted to NSU for MD school, the risk would be worth it. NSU is already established as a top DO school so I can't imagine them making a terrible MD school.

 

[Goro]

Yea thats true, but for someone who is only accepted to NSU for MD school, the risk would be worth it. NSU is already established as a top DO school so I can't imagine them making a terrible MD school.

This will depend upon who is doing the teaching. Are the DO Faculty also teaching the MD students?????

 

[Dr. Scribe]

Posting so that I can hear when the primary app opens.

This will depend upon who is doing the teaching. Are the DO Faculty also teaching the MD students?????

From what I understand, the new curriculum is PBL. So, I'm not sure its that important who the faculty are. Why would it matter if DO faculty were teaching MD students anyway? Not attacking, just curious as to what your opinion is.

 

[Dr. Scribe]

Posting so that I can hear when the primary app opens.

Smart

 

[Goro]

From what I understand, the new curriculum is PBL. So, I'm not sure its that important who the faculty are. Why would it matter if DO faculty were teaching MD students anyway? Not attacking, just curious as to what your opinion is.

IF the DO faculty are teaching the MD students at the same time, that's fine...they already know how to deliver a curriculum. What I'm concerned about is if the MD faculty are all new (to Nova, not necessarily to teaching med students) then it will take time for them to figure out what works and what doesn't. Even faculty have learning curves, and PBL curriculum can be the trickiest to pull off, from what I've seen.

 

[Dr. Scribe]

IF the DO faculty are teaching the MD students at the same time, that's fine...they already know how to deliver a curriculum. What I'm concerned about is if the MD faculty are all new (to Nova, not necessarily to teaching med students) then it will take time for them to figure out what works and what doesn't. Even faculty have learning curves, and PBL curriculum can be the trickiest to pull off, from what I've seen.

I might be mistaken, but wouldn't it be more of a concern if the faculty were new to teaching medical students (not just new to Nova)? The descriptions I read about PBL curriculums are all very vague and I feel that I don't really understand how it is different from a traditional curriculum. Could you provide me with an explanation or source that I could read to free me from my ignorance?

 

[AnxietyNation]

Sounds interesting

 

[Goro]

I might be mistaken, but wouldn't it be more of a concern if the faculty were new to teaching medical students (not just new to Nova)? The descriptions I read about PBL curriculums are all very vague and I feel that I don't really understand how it is different from a traditional curriculum. Could you provide me with an explanation or source that I could read to free me from my ignorance?

Now that's an even more serious issue! Brand new faculty have yet another learning curve!!!!

New clinical faculty have more trouble with learning how to be effective teachers, from what I've seen in my time at both MD and DO schools. They tend to teach at a 3rd/4th year level to MS1/2, or even as if you were residents. They also lose track of the Big Picture, and expect students to be able to pick up on every little symptom of a a disease state, when said symptom may only show up in 3% of patients. When you'''re in practice, you can pick up on this right away, because you see so many patients, but Board question writers don't get down to this level of minutiae.

New PhD Faculty have the handicap of figuring out "what does a second year medical student need to know about for Boards, and beyond that for rotations????" [remember that life does not end after Step I/Level I]. This is an art form.

 

[Kkshake]

I might be mistaken, but wouldn't it be more of a concern if the faculty were new to teaching medical students (not just new to Nova)? The descriptions I read about PBL curriculums are all very vague and I feel that I don't really understand how it is different from a traditional curriculum. Could you provide me with an explanation or source that I could read to free me from my ignorance?

From my experience, PBL is completely different than a traditional curriculum. You don't get lectures, or powerpoints. You get cases, which you work through in groups and then decide what information it pertinent to the case and what chapters you should be tested on. It's all about bouncing ideas off in groups rather than an independent memorize and study approach.

 

[JPmoleymole]

Now that's an even more serious issue! Brand new faculty have yet another learning curve!!!!

New clinical faculty have more trouble with learning how to be effective teachers, from what I've seen in my time at both MD and DO schools. They tend to teach at a 3rd/4th year level to MS1/2, or even as if you were residents. They also lose track of the Big Picture, and expect students to be able to pick up on every little symptom of a a disease state, when said symptom may only show up in 3% of patients. When you'''re in practice, you can pick up on this right away, because you see so many patients, but Board question writers don't get down to this level of minutiae.

New PhD Faculty have the handicap of figuring out "what does a second year medical student need to know about for Boards, and beyond that for rotations????" [remember that life does not end after Step I/Level I]. This is an art form.

Hypothetically if an applicant had a choice, would you suggest they attend Nova MD as part of the charter class or a well-established DO instead?

 

[Goro]

Hypothetically if an applicant had a choice, would you suggest they attend Nova MD as part of the charter class or a well-established DO instead?

Jeeze, that's good enough to be an interview question!

The wise @Med Ed is of the opinion that even a new MD school will not present any problems for a PD. I've love to hear what @aProgDirector has to say.

I'm leaning to say new MD will mean less headaches, career-wise, for a person, than the established DO school. The new MD school may make your life miserable for the first two years, but once you hit the clinic, that should be fine. The DO degree channels you more in a particular direction, and you have to face bias from PDs, who have been burned by poorly trained DOs, and are now thus prejudiced against MDs. The higher up the pole in terms of caliber of residency, or competitiveness of the specialty, the more the prejudice increases.

This advice also has to be tempered by what you want out of a medical career. If you're fine with primary care (which is not the 7th Circle of Hell most pre-meds make it out to be), or other DO-friendly specialties, then the DO route will be fine.

Nova MD will not be a pushover to get into. There are a lot of smart Floridians, and the first class size is only 50.

 

[SteyrFWB]

I am hard pressed to think of any MD schools established over the last ten years done worse than DO school. There are some strong DO schools, like Western in California, but I can not think of any MD school newly established or traditional established, done poorly.

 

[MTRN406]

A friend of mine who is currently enrolled in Nova's DO program just forwarded me this email. I know many people on here were interested in applying to Nova this cycle if it were to open, so I figured I would share with you all.

They will have no trouble filling their class. Trust me, I bet their average stats for the inaugural group are 3.6 511.

 

[MTRN406]

I am hard pressed to think of any MD schools established over the last ten years done worse than DO school. There are some strong DO schools, like Western in California, but I can not think of any MD school newly established or traditional established, done poorly.

Even Cal Northstate has like a 513 average MCAT. There are no shortage of qualified applicants, so they can get excellent students no matter how crappy their program is.

 

[Giovanotto]

DO students can apply to MD schools afresh. All DO students, not just first year DO students, can apply.

Just don't know their admission chances.

Nova is a very private school, tuition is very high. They make tons of money on medical education . Once they made tons of money on AA (anesthesia assistant) , they opened up Bradenton AA branch. They look forward to open up Clearwater DO branch and push Nova yearly DO number to 600 graduates per year.

It is just good businesses for Nova.

So from a financial perspective, they are probably more inclined to take first year DO students from other school, while keep their own DO number afloat.

Most DO/MD schools have separate campuses. Michigan State, Rowen, and Virginia Tech DO/MD are all independent with completely separate campuses.

For now, admission office of Nova DO is on fourth floor of Terry Building. Admission office of Nova MD is on fifth floor .

Many students have already went up one floor and ask if they can apply.

Answer is yes.

As for residency positions after graduation in face of mounting new school opening, the overall number of graduating US students is still way less than all available residency positions.

In addition, there are New residency programs popping up yearly.

On top of that, residency positions are edging out the foreign graduates. FMG used to taken up 1/3 of residency positions, mostly from Indian subcontinent. Now those positions are for US graduates first, then FMG second .

I just threw up in my mouth.

 

[JJBinks69]

I suspect almost everyone who doesn't have an II/Acceptance by the time Nova's app opens will apply. Most of us would consider Trump University if it started granting MDs and opened for this cycle.

 

[MTRN406]

I suspect almost everyone who doesn't have an II/Acceptance by the time Nova's app opens will apply. Most of us would consider Trump University if it started granting MDs and opened for this cycle.

Exactly. Trust me, they're going to get at least 4000 aps this cycle.

 

[Dr. Scribe]

Do new schools worry about yield protection? I'm a reapplicant with a 3.7/518 and I would LOVE to go here (my brother is there now for DO and mom lives with him). I think 4000 apps is a high estimate. Not many people will know about NSU being available this cycle.

 

[MTRN406]

Do new schools worry about yield protection? I'm a reapplicant with a 3.7/518 and I would LOVE to go here (my brother is there now for DO and mom lives with him). I think 4000 apps is a high estimate. Not many people will know about NSU being available this cycle.

The word will spread like wildfire. And no, they do not. You're exactly the type of applicant they're looking for. High stat people who for some reason or another fell through the cracks. They want to be able to show that their numbers are just as good as the other South Florida schools, which they most likely will be.

 

[Welshman]

any educated guesses to if this school will turn out like Hofstra or more like Northstate...

 

[MTRN406]

any educated guesses to if this school will turn out like Hofstra or more like Northstate...

No way it turns out like Northstate. Nova is using this to try to justify getting their own teaching hospital.