Originally posted by RollTide:
SJISA,
"First of all, I was not the one that instigated all of this, John did. He started all of this crap. Three weeks ago he posted a comment that I and many others found offensive and this is how his post started"
John instigated your personal attacks?
Who are these many others, figments of your imagination? Zdoc seems to disagree with John regarding prison rotations, when that isnt the crux of John's topic. Hugeeuge just seems to like to blurt in without discussing anything. Who are these many others you suddenly are making up? There have been more students speaking out against Nova than for it on these postings. Count them for yourself, starting with the prison rotations.
Why did Jaypark tell everyone to "go ask the dean yourself?" People took that to be rude behavior, but maybe he was trying to tell you something.
NOVA in spanish means DONT GO. literally
"This is not true, and I found it to be offensive and so I responded. "
No Va in spanish means Dont Go, if John is of this opinion why is it offensive and/or dishonest of him to say this when asked about Nova? Is it up to you to decide which opinions he is allowed to voice? Don't you just wish you could censor him?
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For you to imply that I have no reason, no basis, or no right to respond to inflammatory posts such as this is ludicrous. "
no one is saying don't respond, but you didn't respond to his posts you attacked him personally, and that is unprofessional. Then later you state that you wont respond to personal attacks when you began them. That is what is really ludicrous. Also, you havent done your homework well enough to understand the policital climate that currently exists here.
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That is how all of this started and has continued because John continues to exagerate the what is going on at NSU."
John used specific instances. And there are many more instances he hasnt brought up.
It isn't an exaggeration for him to say he wouldn't recommend Nova because he thinks its focus isn't on education but upon appearances, he has said that two years ago to the person who was then dean of the college in front of three witnesses during a lunch hour.
Unless you were here during the two years that we were in didactics, you would have no concept of how poorly ran the following programs were:
IGC, Physiology, Clinical practicum, the entire second year curriculum, ethnocultural medicine, rural medicine, medical jurisprudence.
This is particularly troubling to John because of his teaching background and his demand for high ethics and standards in teaching. These ethics don't exist at Nova and Nova's standards flucuate inconsistently.
You also have no concept how many students with children or a family emergency were treated by the former dean of student services.
There are lots of other areas, including the insulting behavior of some of the HMO representatives toward our classmates with medical experience who raised legitimate concerns. But, you seem incapable of rational discourse, so why bother? Really, its as John said, to let others hear by pretending to be directing our comments to you. We know you cant listen, but hopefully, there are silent listeners vicariously evaluating this topic on their own.
" How does someone from an iliterate state like Alabama know this? Because he let us all know this is what he was doing from the start:
".there's always going to be an adrian sarcastically exaggerating situations
(that was kinda the whole point lol)"
Sometimes bold moves are buffered with the concept of plausible deniability. This point may escape many readers, but some will understand what I am saying.
If someone threatens you with censorship, you have two choices. You can protest, which according to the second and first years we have talked to, everyone is scared to do, or you can sit back and do nothing. You wouldn't go to the dean who threatened you, that would be ludicrous. And if you knew anything about Nova politics you wouldn't go to anyone in HPD above the dean because they have earned a reputation of not being responsive to legitimate student concerns and for being paternalistic and condescending toward students who approach them. What you might do is become outlandishly vocal and show that threatening censorship has a large negative backlash effect and can be ruinous to a universities reputation. That would be the route John has shown to be effective. Look how much negative publicity the Dean's actions have caused. There was an Email address at the end of the Sun-sentinel article which hopefully everyone noticed, perhaps this is another avenue to show that censorship will not be tolerated.
"I inderstand that John does not really hate NSU and that he is making his comments in a effort to initiate change at NSU. I just disagree with him that this is the proper way to do so. "
so calling him crazy and disgruntled and shoey were your professional methods for demonstrating this?
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His posts reflect poorly on NSU and could influence students who are planning to attend next year and this does effect me. "
If he doesnt think people should attend Nova, then inherently this is going to reflect poorly on Nova, that doesnt give you license to act like a jerk and personally insult him.
If he didn't post his opinion and word it the way he did, who would know that the dean was trying to censor the students.
Dont you and other prospective students need to consider that a dean that would do this is not a proper person to run a program that should be promoting high ethical standards?
Its certainly not ethical to censor students, and you have already agreed this is wrong, but have made no open effort of this forum to gather more information. While, John has been constantly asking all the students to tell exactly what happened. Not his version but their honest version. You, in your vicious personal vendetta have totally ignored this issue.
"You mentioned that you did not feel that I could understand the issues at NSU because I am not a current student. I have talked with the dean, about the prison rotation and other issues, have you?
No one here is really interested in the prison rotations, as John keeps telling you.
It is the censorship that is the issue. Why are you unable to understand this? Most of the fourth years havent ever met the dean, we have been on hospital rotations ever since he arrived, so why would we discuss an issue with the dean which is of no consequence. I doubt John has personally met him, so for anyone to claim this is a personal attack on the Dean by John doesnt know John or the situation very well.
John never made the prison rotation an issue, you keep trying to do so.
In fact, you were who asked him about his opinion on it, he only mentions it as part of the censorship issue. Please try to get this point.
"I really like the guy and feel that his policies are in the best interest of the school and the students. I also asked Dr. Terry about them, I talked with faculty about them and talked with current students about them. How can you assert that my opinion is less valuable than someone like John, who this issue will not effect? "
The issue is censorship, so this does effect us fourth years, you are wrong in that.
If you talked to the faculty, as I and others have, were they open and honest with you since you have been a student and known to them for so long? Why would they tell an interviewee something and then have it come back on them? They are going to sell the university because thats the nature of interviews. Who wants to fired because of some loud mouth prospective student. Once you develop a personal relationship with some of the faculty, you can better appreciate that many don't like his approach nor appreciate that he has already left two programs in shambles.
Expecting the faculty to openly discuss their criticisms of Nova is like telling a total stranger all your dislikes about a family member when the stranger is trying to buy the family members house and you are getting some of the proceeds. Many faculty members are not contractual, why risk their employment for you? You arent that important to them.
"I think I have talked with those who actually know what is going on."
When you buy a car, do you base your opinion on the salespeople? Do you realize that an interview and tour of facilities is designed to highlight the pluses of a program? Do you realize that the negatives are intentionally ignored and some places blatantly lie? You surely are not that naive.
You may have spoken to a few faculty, but did they speak openly to you? I doubt it, because as I said, they dont know or trust you so why would they tell you something that could affect their job security.
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BTW..I am from the illiterate state of Florida, I just attend school in the beautiful state of Alabama. I counted quite a few insults in your post as well."
yes there were insults in my posting, did it turn you off? How much more do your postings turn off people when you are the prime instigator of these personal attacks?
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I would hope that a well-informed fourth year such as yourself could stick to the issues instead of resorting to my child like behavior."
Admitting that you act like a child is a good step. Apologizing for the childishness would be even more appropriate.
" I have asked John for a truce but he refuses to stop his insults on a university that I am excited to have the chance to attend."
You didnt ask for a truce, you said you wouldn't respond to his insults, after you publicly insulted him for three weeks and then he turned the tables on you. Your penis envy was starting to show and you didn't like it.
If you take his insults against the university you've never attended so deeply that you attack him with insults, that speaks to your immaturity, and lack of understanding of why Southeastern was founded. You aren't tied to this school by an umbilicus, you are merely using this as an excuse to avoid the issue of censorship.
"Until he does, I will continue to respond to comments that I feel are not true or misrepresent the quality of education that is offered at NSU."
you have sat in no classes here, so stating that you can evaluate whether his statements missrepresent educational quality here is nonsense.
Hopefully this will be helpful to you. I agree with John that Nova shouldn't be anyone's first choice as long as they continue to not provide a positive environment for personal growth. Currently they do not.
