How about we change the title of this thread to:
"Nurses masquerading as long winded, lecturingly pedantic fusspots"
Then we could at let it die a peaceful death.
I want to congratulate the moderators for doing their job here. Just because some poses as a even tempered discussionista. Doesn't mean we should have to hear them carry on incessantly where they're are not needed nor wanted. And as was demonstrated slyly disruptive on the whole.
Nas, I;ve pretty much liked a lot of your input at SDN. You definitely seem like the kind of person to kick back and have a drink with.
Again I apologize for anything that seems unduly negativity on my part. I also allowed others to push my buttons, and that is totally my bad and no one else's. I must be in control and be accountable for how I choose to respond to things, period--so I totally own that. If the last comment above was with regard to me, rest assured, I was never "slyly disruptive." And this definitely was not my intent. Unfair characterizations are caustic and unnecessary. I would not seek to misjudge you that way.
Yes I am taking a nice long break here from responding by my own choice, b/c I don't think you can totally close an account--as in take down your name completely, etc. I tried.
Like so many negative turns in discussions, I think basically some of it comes down to semantics and misunderstandings and miscommunications. Still, I do think NYRN should be commended for clarifying some things. I think he/she did a good job. Like I said, we didn't write this; we learned it this way.
Again please realize that it seems that a fair number of us pre-meds that just happen to be nurses are
NOT stakeholders in this whole DNP thing. From what I read, all the pre-med nurses, and a good deal of those that are not pre-med, are NOT FOR IT--or for anyone masquerading as physican-doctors.
And for the record, I do plan to speak out against it with nurses, professors, whomever at every turn--primarily b/c it is HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC. I genuinely mean that. Why would I support something that I wouldn't do myself--that is, I see physicians, especially for serious health problems--same thing w/ my family. Eg., I want an experienced reputable surgeon working on me or my family member, period. I mean I understand residents need to learn too, but they are supposed to be directly supervised by experienced, reputable attending surgeons. Most of my work has been with regard to recovering critical heart pts--adults and peds. You better believe I put a lot of stake in the surgeon doing the work. I have recovered enough pts to know how much it can make a difference in what is going on with them post-operatively. So again, this is an example of where I say why would not support something (midlevels usurping the role of physicians) that I don't even believe in or would allow myself?
About anyone being addressed as Dr. in the hospital setting--well it is clearly a good point that it could be confusing to patients and families. As such, if this is the hospital's policy, then it needs to be respected, period.
Hospitals, as you know (b/c I think you work in a hospital or some kind of clinic setting) have rules that govern them, but they are still mostly run like businesses in their own right.
OK, so, it's not like, at least in this country for now, a government agency can come in and mandate that all non-physician doctors be referred to as Dr in their hospital's setting. NO. The hospitals are relatively free to function by way of their own policies--and have a good degree of legitimate sovereignity in that.
As long as this country is free and allows businesses and such to pretty much operate that way, places will establish their OWN policies. So the hospital policy re: refer only to physicians in the hospital as doctors would stand, if that is the case.
I feel like a good way to bring about change in this regard is one place at a time. It's sort of like the ED physician on one of these threads that was able to persuade the board to eliminate or limit NP training in the ED where he worked. I mean if medicine sees this as legitimate encroachment, then they have to do what they have to do. My point is this: you have to make change where you are--one place at a time.
Good luck to you too Nas. I have a special place in my heart for musicians. Congrats about MS. Knock em dead. . .well, you know what I mean.
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Alrighty then. Whatever.
