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Burnout, pay cuts, 12-24hr ED waits and young doctors leaving the country. What's going on in New Zealand Doctor Utopia?
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For all the whining you wouldn’t know it on here. Sometimes it’s just a matter of perspective. But just because it could be worse doesn’t mean you can’t work/hope to make it better.Grass is never greener. US docs are better off than 95%+ of docs in the world.
My personal situation is excellent – but that doesn't apply universally to all emergency medicine, and even less so to many specialty services, and further less so in smaller hospitals/less desirable rural locations.
They've been recorded.By the way, when are you updating the Annals podcast?
Devil is in the details. Kind of like nurse travel contracts where your living stipend could be untaxed and so you want to jack that up and have low hourly wage for higher net comp. This doesn't seem like the most lucrative job overall for sure, but if you have housing, meals and transportation allowance then the rest is just fun money.I just got a locums recruiting e-mail today for "An Exciting new position in NZ!" Pay is NZ$ 119/hour. That's $70 USD/hour! That's an absolutely criminal sum. One can work urgent care in the US for more. No wonder NZ doctor are on strike.
Hello Dr. XXXXXX
I hope you are doing well!
I wanted to see if now would be a better time to discuss an ER locum position in New Zealand next year? I'm looking for coverage starting around March 2024 for about 6 months! This is a great location on the north island! The pay is NZ$119 an hour plus house and car, roundtrip airfare and malpractice insurance! Typical hours for an ER doctor in New Zealand are 4/10 hour shifts per week!
This is a great opportunity to experience New Zealand, learn a new medical system and have a work life balance!
Let me know if you'd like to set up a time to chat about the logistics! Feel free to pass this email along to your colleagues!
Yeah what is a house and car worth? $5k/mo? Airfare to NZ I'll say $3k. Malpractice I would have assumed. But over 6mo that's say $35k of value, plus perhaps you can get some food/other living stipends. Certainly doesn't excuse a $70hr/job but assuming 35 clinical hour a week, and 3wk off, that's maybe... around... $40-50/hr of additional "income".Devil is in the details. Kind of like nurse travel contracts where your living stipend could be untaxed and so you want to jack that up and have low hourly wage for higher net comp. This doesn't seem like the most lucrative job overall for sure, but if you have housing, meals and transportation allowance then the rest is just fun money.
Well as stated above it depends on the details. Is "housing" a communal dorm, small apartment, house? It depends. The same with the car allowance. I don't care about malpractice insurance as that should be a given for any contract. They did not mention a food stipend so I doubt that's included except for hospital meals. If it's a crappy apartment, and a small car, your overall benefit is $3K/month. Also what doctor wants to fly to New Zealand in economy? At least give me business class for a 15+ hour flight. A proper business class flight is at least 8-10K round trip, and I doubt that's paid for, so extra expense as far as I'm concerned.Yeah what is a house and car worth? $5k/mo? Airfare to NZ I'll say $3k. Malpractice I would have assumed. But over 6mo that's say $35k of value, plus perhaps you can get some food/other living stipends. Certainly doesn't excuse a $70hr/job but assuming 35 clinical hour a week, and 3wk off, that's maybe... around... $40-50/hr of additional "income".
I just got a locums recruiting e-mail today for "An Exciting new position in NZ!" Pay is NZ$ 119/hour. That's $70 USD/hour! That's an absolutely criminal sum. One can work urgent care in the US for more. No wonder NZ doctor are on strike.
I just got a locums recruiting e-mail today for "An Exciting new position in NZ!" Pay is NZ$ 119/hour. That's $70 USD/hour! That's an absolutely criminal sum. One can work urgent care in the US for more. No wonder NZ doctor are on strike.
Hello Dr. XXXXXX
I hope you are doing well!
I wanted to see if now would be a better time to discuss an ER locum position in New Zealand next year? I'm looking for coverage starting around March 2024 for about 6 months! This is a great location on the north island! The pay is NZ$119 an hour plus house and car, roundtrip airfare and malpractice insurance! Typical hours for an ER doctor in New Zealand are 4/10 hour shifts per week!
This is a great opportunity to experience New Zealand, learn a new medical system and have a work life balance!
Let me know if you'd like to set up a time to chat about the logistics! Feel free to pass this email along to your colleagues!
Varies by department. Some EDs suffer the dysfunction of the hospital and resultant access block on far greater scale than others. Some places are quite short RMOs, and the burden falls upon the specialists.It's not a Utopia, but based on what I read here, the practice environment seems much better.
Varies by department. Some EDs suffer the dysfunction of the hospital and resultant access block on far greater scale than others. Some places are quite short RMOs, and the burden falls upon the specialists.
When the department runs smoothly, however, working in the ED is fun again. There aren't any administrative "quality" games to play, nor a sense of obligation to provide unwarranted interventions, and the documentation burden is dramatically lower. It's quite satisfying work.
I've been to Noosa and Brisbane. Too hot for my taste!Come to sunny Queensland one day!
I've been to Noosa and Brisbane. Too hot for my taste!
Brisbane, along with all the major cities in Oz, is rather amazing. It's hard to describe to folks back in the U.S. how dramatically we've missed the opportunity to make safe, high-quality, liveable cities.
$70USD/hr so I can experience another medical system and work 40hrs/wk? As a bonus I get a house, car, medmal/airfare?
I would rather work in the US, make 270/hr. Work 40hrs/wk and in a month pocket an extra 32K where I can rent my own house/car and stay like a king in New Zealand for a few month not needing to worry about work.
They must be either desperate or trying to pull a fast one.
Like anywhere in the world, life gets a lot better once you get your letters. In my part of Australia, 1 FTE is about 2.5 clinical shifts a week and ranges from 400-600K + leave + retirement + cheap healthcare + cheap university for the kids. The medico-legal framework is incomparable. It's also so much safer that it's hard to fathom. I've worked in places where nobody has seen a gunshot wound. Ever.
Telemed in the US pays more than this, handily. To work from home in a hoodie and pajama pants and drink your favorite coffee.I just got a locums recruiting e-mail today for "An Exciting new position in NZ!" Pay is NZ$ 119/hour. That's $70 USD/hour! That's an absolutely criminal sum. One can work urgent care in the US for more. No wonder NZ doctor are on strike.
Hello Dr. XXXXXX
I hope you are doing well!
I wanted to see if now would be a better time to discuss an ER locum position in New Zealand next year? I'm looking for coverage starting around March 2024 for about 6 months! This is a great location on the north island! The pay is NZ$119 an hour plus house and car, roundtrip airfare and malpractice insurance! Typical hours for an ER doctor in New Zealand are 4/10 hour shifts per week!
This is a great opportunity to experience New Zealand, learn a new medical system and have a work life balance!
Let me know if you'd like to set up a time to chat about the logistics! Feel free to pass this email along to your colleagues!