Official 2012-2013 Cardiology fellowship application cycle

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katang said:
Maybe people getting calls from IVY leagues have more publications/better research than you...;-) 😉

But seriously,-are you on a visa-this year H1B actually had a significant negative correlation with invites, I guess because of the time frame-I have been lucky to have more IVs than most-but largely as I was fortunate to have 1 mentor who wrote to a couple of places/made phone calls to people he knew.Keep hoping, maybe things will look up for you-I sincerely hope so......
PS-I really DO think that many programs should take out the wordings 'equal opportunity, affirmative action....'-thats horse**** IMHO.......
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Equal opportunity affirmative action was designed for those underrepresented in the field of medicine. This is based on historical and current practices that aren't worth getting into on this forum. It's not designed to improve opportunities from those coming from abroad. I wasn't born here and my father was an IMG...it's tough but it makes sense. A country has to invest in people that are trained there.
 
floppy valve said:
love letter from Univ.of Kansas....

I was taking these love letters well initially, but now I'm increasingly confused. What are do these program want!? I'm confident I've good letters, plus have 14 publications, 11 abstracts (5 in ACC, 1 in AHA), 1 national award at ACP, teaching award from my university....

I've 3 interview calls thus far.... and ALL of them were purely due to some good networking. 1 is in in my own hospital. What sucks is I have not received any calls from other institutes based on my own merit.

Time for some SERIOUS introspection......
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Is it UMKC/KUMC
 
katang said:
Dont go by rankings-UMKC-MAHI is one of the tpomost centers for outcomes research and they publish articles in NEJM and JAMA every other week-KU is more basic science oriented....both are good programs-but UMKC is probably attracting more talent these days-they have ppl like o'keefe, spertus.cohen etc.
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From someone from the area, this really seems like a silly discussion. KUMC is hands-down the dominent hospital and program in the Kansas City area. It's not even debatable. Once upon a time, St Luke's was known for being the best place in town and the area, but no longer. It has zero programs even ranked while KUMC has 10 (24th in CV).

Most of KUMC's newer CV staff are from Wash U, Texas Heart, etc and are certainly doing cutting-edge procedures (TAVR, hybrid EP, etc) Dr. Dawn, the new PD who has been there for about 4 years now, is making great changes in the department as well, not only from a from a clinical and basic research prospective, but also from a leadership standpoint.

Don't get me wrong, UMKC is a fine program, but KUMC has certainly been climbing the ranks and will continue to do so.
 
Just letting you all know that I cancelled some interviews in New York and Chicago, so hopefully some of you get them.

I recommend everyone to start cancelling interviews at places they know they won't be traveling to so that it does not give a bad impression of their home program and to allow time for programs to give those interview spots to others.
 
I think we should not lose hope, I got St elizabeth and lehigh valley like 3-4 weeks later after the were posted on here. But I have some question:
1. I interviewed at KUMC last year for unexpected opening spot after matching, I didnt get the offer. This year I got reject from them, does it really matter? my friend told me it does, they tend not to interview who they already interviewd previous year.
2. Any experisnce in st Elizabeth interviews?
 
infarct said:
Equal opportunity affirmative action was designed for those underrepresented in the field of medicine. This is based on historical and current practices that aren't worth getting into on this forum. It's not designed to improve opportunities from those coming from abroad. I wasn't born here and my father was an IMG...it's tough but it makes sense. A country has to invest in people that are trained there.
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Thanks for your detailed explanations and time.Pardon me for my ignorance.
Just following points-
1.underrepresented in the field of medicine-do you feel citizens are underrepresented in field of medicine compared to people on visas?I would be interested in data on that-might even be a NEJM publication in the offing.😀
2.Definition of 'equal opportunity' and 'affirmative action'-ref a situation in which people have the same opportunities in life as other people, without being treated in an unfair way because of their race, sex, sexuality, religion, or age
Ref: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/equal-opportunity
3.A country has to invest in people that are trained there.-I rest my case....here we are not talking about people NOT trained here, but all residents/trainees from ACGME accredited program-with obviously some coming from bigger name ones than others.So investment in people trained here should be fine...just depends on how some people use the definition!

Dont get me wrong-I fully understand the way the system works and your arguments for it-but I am just mentioning that patronization and declarations that people have no intention of following should not be highlighted, especially on the home page of reputable programs.
 
katang said:
Thanks for your detailed explanations and time.Pardon me for my ignorance.
Just following points-
1.underrepresented in the field of medicine-do you feel citizens are underrepresented in field of medicine compared to people on visas?I would be interested in data on that-might even be a NEJM publication in the offing.😀
2.Definition of 'equal opportunity' and 'affirmative action'-ref a situation in which people have the same opportunities in life as other people, without being treated in an unfair way because of their race, sex, sexuality, religion, or age
Ref: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/equal-opportunity
3.A country has to invest in people that are trained there.-I rest my case....here we are not talking about people NOT trained here, but all residents/trainees from ACGME accredited program-with obviously some coming from bigger name ones than others.So investment in people trained here should be fine...just depends on how some people use the definition!

Dont get me wrong-I fully understand the way the system works and your arguments for it-but I am just mentioning that patronization and declarations that people have no intention of following should not be highlighted, especially on the home page of reputable programs.
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I agree with infarc. The terms "affirmative action" and "equal opportunity" have historically been in reference to African Americans, American Indians, American Latinos, etc. people who have been subjected to long history of persecution, racism, discrimination, segragation and to this day suffers from racial disparities especially in health care. I would personally refrain from using this term in this context as it can be a sensitive subject, particularly for African Americans who have fought such struggles for centuries in the united states.
 
katang said:
Thanks for your detailed explanations and time.Pardon me for my ignorance.
Just following points-
1.underrepresented in the field of medicine-do you feel citizens are underrepresented in field of medicine compared to people on visas?I would be interested in data on that-might even be a NEJM publication in the offing.😀
2.Definition of 'equal opportunity' and 'affirmative action'-ref a situation in which people have the same opportunities in life as other people, without being treated in an unfair way because of their race, sex, sexuality, religion, or age
Ref: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/equal-opportunity
3.A country has to invest in people that are trained there.-I rest my case....here we are not talking about people NOT trained here, but all residents/trainees from ACGME accredited program-with obviously some coming from bigger name ones than others.So investment in people trained here should be fine...just depends on how some people use the definition!

Dont get me wrong-I fully understand the way the system works and your arguments for it-but I am just mentioning that patronization and declarations that people have no intention of following should not be highlighted, especially on the home page of reputable programs.
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I don't think you get it. That's okay.This country has many layers and a complex history. By people trained here I mean those who went to medical school here, paid into the system here and are part of historically oppressed groups. Review what prevcard said...if you still dont understand, I dont know. That says it all. This is a major deviation from the subject of this thread...apologies for that. Good luck to you on your match.
 
infarct said:
I don't think you get it. That's okay.This country has many layers and a complex history. By people trained here I mean those who went to medical school here, paid into the system here and are part of historically oppressed groups. Review what prevcard said...if you still dont understand, I dont know. That says it all. This is a major deviation from the subject of this thread...apologies for that. Good luck to you on your match.
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Historic oppression is hardly the prerogative of one Nation, or one ethnicity...at least to my limited knowledge of global history.but you are right, this is a major digression from subject matter of the thread....so, all the best to you as well.
 
Any idea about the program at Loma Linda? Have you guys interviewed there already?
 
katang said:
Thanks for your detailed explanations and time.Pardon me for my ignorance.
Just following points-
1.underrepresented in the field of medicine-do you feel citizens are underrepresented in field of medicine compared to people on visas?I would be interested in data on that-might even be a NEJM publication in the offing.😀
2.Definition of 'equal opportunity' and 'affirmative action'-ref a situation in which people have the same opportunities in life as other people, without being treated in an unfair way because of their race, sex, sexuality, religion, or age
Ref: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/equal-opportunity
3.A country has to invest in people that are trained there.-I rest my case....here we are not talking about people NOT trained here, but all residents/trainees from ACGME accredited program-with obviously some coming from bigger name ones than others.So investment in people trained here should be fine...just depends on how some people use the definition!

Dont get me wrong-I fully understand the way the system works and your arguments for it-but I am just mentioning that patronization and declarations that people have no intention of following should not be highlighted, especially on the home page of reputable programs.
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This really is a silly discussion. It's this way in most every other country as well. A foreigner just can't just go to Europe, India, China, etc and expect to just get any job they want. Getting a work visa for US citizens in all of the mentioned countries is even worse than here in the US. There are restrictions as to what foreigners can do - typically a job that can't be hired by one of their own citizens.

It's the same thing here as well. The US has laws about hiring foreigners for jobs that could be filled by US citizens. This is especially important considering the job shortages we are having. Regarding equal opportunity, that is referring to US citizens that they will not bediscriminated based on race, gender, age, etc. It is not referring to non-US citizens. But this is absolutely no different than any other country.
 
whodatMD said:
This really is a silly discussion. It's this way in most every other country as well. A foreigner just can't just go to Europe, India, China, etc and expect to just get any job they want. Getting a work visa for US citizens in all of the mentioned countries is even worse than here in the US. There are restrictions as to what foreigners can do - typically a job that can't be hired by one of their own citizens.

It's the same thing here as well. The US has laws about hiring foreigners for jobs that could be filled by US citizens. This is especially important considering the job shortages we are having. Regarding equal opportunity, that is referring to US citizens that they will not bediscriminated based on race, gender, age, etc. It is not referring to non-US citizens. But this is absolutely no different than any other country.
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It's Not what countries Do....My point was on What countries Say.....for example, if you go to any website of a EU hospital, it states clearly that foreigners should be recruited Only when equally qualified EU residents cannot be recruited for that position.and they also delineate the procedure that needs to be followed in situations where such recruitment becomes necessary....ref job board of NHS website.Dont have much knowledge of recruitment policy of India or China,but I doubt they state in writing 'equal opportunity', when they have no intention of following so.....the issue is with acting 'holier than thou', when you really are just the same or worse.i doubt if a website of a hospital in the EU would write that they would 'consider so-and-so visa', when one of their screening filter is going to be that particular visa.on the issue of job shortage, that's true for most places in the world,and probably all the more reason for not letting people waste 25$ unnecessarily.so the issue is not with having restrictions, my friend, or protecting interests of nationals......it is with falsification and untrue statements and promises, and that too on public websites.to understand how it feels, just think how you would feel if u signed up for a job stating 40 hr/wk, and then they make you work 80 hrs/wk......would you be ok with that?
 
can you guys move your debate to a different thread? thanks much.
 
doc luv said:
can you guys move your debate to a different thread? thanks much.
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I second this..... I do not think this forum is meant for these discussions. I understand both sides of the story... but again... we're digressing from our main goal. lets not loose focus! I think I owe an apology to everyone. my frustrated comment sent things out of control 😳

Anyways... I know some program are YET trying to screen applicants. Do you guys think that we have reached the "peak" of the interview-invitation-frenzy? [In other words.... I was getting 1-2 rejects everyday.. will that slow down now?] 😀
 
floppy valve said:
I second this..... I do not think this forum is meant for these discussions. I understand both sides of the story... but again... we're digressing from our main goal. lets not loose focus! I think I owe an apology to everyone. my frustrated comment sent things out of control 😳

Anyways... I know some program are YET trying to screen applicants. Do you guys think that we have reached the "peak" of the interview-invitation-frenzy? [In other words.... I was getting 1-2 rejects everyday.. will that slow down now?] 😀
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I don't know what these programs that have not sent interview invites yet are thinking! At least for me, it will be really hard to reschedule interviews/travel plans anymore even if I get an interview from a really good program. Having said that I think almost all programs will send their first batch of interviews by next next week. After that, invites will be sent if new spots open up.
 
How is Case Western (Metrohealth) Cardiology Program??
 
invitations
rochester- 7/19
baylor (houston)- 7/25
yale/hew haven- 7/27
hawaii- 7/29
utah- 7/29
uc/irvine- 7/31
kentucky- 8/02
geisinger- 8/02
pittsburgh- 8/02
emory- 8/02, clinical investigator track - 8/13
columbia- 8/04
cleveland clinic- 8/05
ohsu- 8/06
uw – 8/08
oklahoma – 8/08
utsw – 8/08
vermont – 8/08
henry ford- 8/08
st vincent, indianapolis- 8/08
carilion clinic- 08/08
st johns- 08/08
umass- 8/8
suny stony brook- 08/09
lehigh valley- 08/09
duke- 8/10
unc- 08/10
indiana university- 8/10
mcv/vcu- 8/10
maryland- 8/10
suny buffalo- 8/13
beth israel-albert einstein(ny)-8/13
maimonides - 8/14
mt. Sinai urban community track - 8/14
florida/jacksonville - 8/15
johns hopkins- 8/15
cedars sinai la 8/15
albert einstein philly 8/16
dartmouth- 8/16
ut san antonio - 8/16
tufts medical center - 8/16
ut houston 8/17
ucsd 8/17
u michigan 8/17
umdnj 8/20
uconn hartford 8/20
mcw wisconsin 8/20
washington university st.louis 8/20
loma linda university 8/20
emory (clinical track) 8/21
uf gainesville 8/21
christiana care 8/22
university of illinois chicago 8/23
univ of arizona 8/23
ucla 8/23
ucsf 8/24
texas heart/st. Luke's 8/24
georgetown 8/25
loyola 8/27
aurora health care 8/27
northwestern 8/27
nyhq 8/28
slu 8/28
bwh
albert einstein
creighton 8/28
banner good samaritan 8/28
nebraska 8/28
mayo-az 8/29
jefferson 8/29
uc davis 8/29
cook county 8/30
methodist, houston 8/30
university of colorado 8/30
cornell 8/30
utmb galveston 8/31
boston university 8/31
uni of tennessee 8/31
u of minnesota 9/4
u of arkansas 9/4
umdnj-rwjms 9/4
st. Elizabeth's medical center (boston) 9/4
u of iowa 9/4
rush 9/05
hofstra/northshore-lij 8/5
mayo 9/6
tulane 9/6
vanderbilt 09/06
Uni of Missouri, columbia
Oschner
Mayo Jacksonville
UCSF Fresno
Drexel
St. Lukes, NYC
Stanford -- 9/11
Penn- 9/11
UVA
Scripps Clinic 9/13
Scott & White 9/14

rejections (aka love letters)
hennepin county – 8/08
columbia nyp- 8/09
u michigan- 8/10
duke- 8/13
st.lukes/texas heart-8/13
uw 8/17
geisinger 8/20
ohsu 8/20
umass 8/21
upmc 8/21
beth israel-albert einstein(ny)-8/21
utsw 8/21
uic 8/23
hopkins 8/23
loma linda 8/23
georgetown 8/25
mgh 8/27
emory 8/27
university of arizona 8/27
mount sinai 8/27
bwh 8/28
ucla 8/28
creighton 08/28
uni of tennessee 08/28
yale-new haven 8/29
university of maryland 8/29
cook county 8/30
ohio state 8/30
university of florida 9/4
boston university 9/4
rush 9/5
Mt Sinai (Urban community) 9/10
Univ.of Iowa 9/10
Indiana Univ. 9/11
Tufts 9/11
sanford
usd 9/11
UTSW 9/12
Vanderbilt 9/12
 
has anyone heard from USC and UCLA-Harbor programs?
 
adlib921 said:
has anyone heard from USC and UCLA-Harbor programs?
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i'm waiting too. i met a girl on the interview trail who may have heard from UCLA-Harbor. She was being pretty cryptic so didn't want to pry.
i'm really hoping to hear from both of them but seems like all I can do is wait
 
Hi All,

My sense is that not many people have heard from Penn yet -- for anybody who has do you mind sharing interview dates for coverage planning purposes?

Thank you!
 
UAB just sent their invites.

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U Penn sent out invitation a week ago (9/11). The interview dates options were: oct 1, 4, 8, 10, 18. They offered either AM or PM interviews.
 
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stanford05 said:
Hi All,

My sense is that not many people have heard from Penn yet -- for anybody who has do you mind sharing interview dates for coverage planning purposes?

Thank you!
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Unless there are cancellations, my guess is that they already sent out all of their invites, at least by the way their invite was worded.
 
Interview today from Mount Sinai Miami Beach and waitlist from Cornell on Friday.
 
arcticsun said:
Unless there are cancellations, my guess is that they already sent out all of their invites, at least by the way their invite was worded.
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UPenn has sent out their invitations. They will only interview from Oct 1 to mid October.
 
Hello Everyone,

I had almost given up on more interviews but got a few in last few days from really good places. So, theres still hope and I pray all of us who have put ourselves in this match madness have a great future !👍
 
20111111XN said:
Can anyone give some input? THX
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Can't tell if you are mocking the forum or serious... if you are serious, give us some more info. What are you looking for in a program?

Are you looking for a beautiful, safe area or Baltimore?
 
Definitely serious, to me, they are two overall strongest considering both clinical training and research.
But not sure about:
How do these two program compare to each other? For example, HF, interventional coronary, interventional structure, clinical trial(research), basic cardiovascular research.

Is Baltimore really that bad in term of living condition?

I am looking for program that provides best interventional and research training (I know I am insane, but would love some input)

Bottom line: do people consider Hopkins best in university program as it is ranked in front of Duke and MGH persistently?

Thanks...
 
Instatewaiter said:
Can't tell if you are mocking the forum or serious... if you are serious, give us some more info. What are you looking for in a program?

Are you looking for a beautiful, safe area or Baltimore?
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Definitely serious, to me, they are two overall strongest considering both clinical training and research.
But not sure about:
How do these two program compare to each other? For example, HF, interventional coronary, interventional structure, clinical trial(research), basic cardiovascular research.

Is Baltimore really that bad in term of living condition?

I am looking for program that provides best interventional and research training (I know I am insane, but would love some input)

Bottom line: do people consider Hopkins best in university program as it is ranked in front of Duke and MGH persistently?

Thanks..
 
Lachi said:
Hello Everyone,

I had almost given up on more interviews but got a few in last few days from really good places. So, theres still hope and I pray all of us who have put ourselves in this match madness have a great future !👍
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Congrats!
Would you mind sharing the programs (or the area) where these programs are? If you don't feel comfortable, no pressure---would just like to know if any of the programs with question marks on my list are possibilities or if I should just forget about them.
 
Has any one heard from medical university of south carolina, charleston?
 
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