I saw that there was a similar thread for 2011 that had plenty of useful info so I figured its best to start one for 2012. 👍
and on top of that we are assuming everyone is honest about their score.Let's not also forget the vast majority of people who take this test and do not post on here. I'd
even venture to say that there are some readers who don't get the score they want and won't post.
Those who get respectable scores will be more than happy to share so we get a very skewed sample.
Let's not also forget the vast majority of people who take this test and do not post on here. I'd
even venture to say that there are some readers who don't get the score they want and won't post.
Those who get respectable scores will be more than happy to share so we get a very skewed sample.
I will be elated with anywhere near 230ish...
are you saying you had 4-5 questions total of each on your exam or just per section??? Congrats and great score!
There were about 30 anatomy questions, half of which were random and convoluted.
257/88
Took it on March 2nd.
Pretty happy.
The bold statement is what makes this whole process much more assuaging. For anyone out there (LIKE ME) who generally feels strong overall (knock on wood) but is still "freaking out" because of the inevitable possibility of a heavier anatomy-based exam, this guy had about FIFTEEN that were convoluted and still did well. In other words, if you know your stuff, but unfortunately get confronted by a large # of anatomy questions on the exam, that's probably normal.
I'm going to edit this post:
Now obviously the anatomy that comes up on the exam could be anything, but regardless, Elektroshok, I'm curious as to if you could share what you remember from the anatomy on your exam? Thanks so much,
Of the stuff I can remember I had about three on shoulder muscles and rotator cuff injuries, had like one asking about a shoulder exam and the patient could/couldnt move at a certain position past like 90 degrees, what nerve was it?
Had like seriously 4 or 5 on the PED/TIP mneumonic for the lower extremity (which was nice)
Had 3-4 on the brachial plexus, one of which had a drawing sort of like NBME 3 I believe where you had to define where the lesion was.
Those were basically the easier ones I remember getting, the harder ones I don't remember specifically but I do remember some CTs/Xrays and identifying structures and what not or the questions started off the same as the easier ones but the last sentence (or answer choices) were just weird.
I had an anatomy question about like the second best external rotator of the hip and none of the muscles I would have guessed were listed so I literally guessed and moved on.
But kind of like someone was saying - There are going to be some you just dont know and no matter how much more I studied or reviewed I honestly think I wouldn't have gotten those extra points. I think a lot of the base score you will get comes from first two years and the rest is icing on the cake.
GOod luck
Can those who've taken the test chime in on High Yield Neuroanatomy? I'm wondering if I should use this book. I've heard others mention that it's too detailed for Step 1 and that just using FA may be alright.
As an alternative, I saw the First Aid Organ Systems book (link) has a Neurology section (which expands on the pertinent topics in First Aid). I ask because I feel like I didn't learn neuroanatomy very well in my course.
Thanks.
I think its overkill. FA was sufficient. But, then again, that was my test, I had very very little neuroanatomy on it.
Thanks, I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions also.
To piggyback that same question. Any ideas on "Rapid Review Biochem"? I purchased this book and found it pretty involved compared to FA also.
I'm just trying to figure out what is overkill and what isn't.
The sources I'm planning to use are: FA, BRS Physio, RR Path (that's pretty much it)... good idea or bad idea?
Of the stuff I can remember I had about three on shoulder muscles and rotator cuff injuries, had like one asking about a shoulder exam and the patient could/couldnt move at a certain position past like 90 degrees, what nerve was it?
Had like seriously 4 or 5 on the PED/TIP mneumonic for the lower extremity (which was nice)
Had 3-4 on the brachial plexus, one of which had a drawing sort of like NBME 3 I believe where you had to define where the lesion was.
Those were basically the easier ones I remember getting, the harder ones I don't remember specifically but I do remember some CTs/Xrays and identifying structures and what not or the questions started off the same as the easier ones but the last sentence (or answer choices) were just weird.
I had an anatomy question about like the second best external rotator of the hip and none of the muscles I would have guessed were listed so I literally guessed and moved on.
But kind of like someone was saying - There are going to be some you just dont know and no matter how much more I studied or reviewed I honestly think I wouldn't have gotten those extra points. I think a lot of the base score you will get comes from first two years and the rest is icing on the cake.
GOod luck
What is the PED/TIP mnemonic?
On another note: I've been doing a block of UWorld everyday. I've noticed my averages are steadily rising but I'm afraid I'm giving myself a false sense of security. I find I answer questions that I'm not 100% on when I answer (although I've narrowed to 2 choices mostly sometimes 3 choices) and I end up getting those right. I'm usually reasoning my way through things rather than straight up recall and I'm not sure if this is others' experience as well? I'm worried that I'm just guessing right on a lot of stuff and that on test day I'm going to get hammered by getting a bunch of questions I can't reason through because I don't have the knowledge.
Any advice or comments appreciated! Thanks 😀
I had a question for whoever took the exam about the heart murmurs- for the "digital stethoscope," are you allowed to move it any where on the chest (like to the axilla or along the sternum)? Or are there preset locations where you click to hear the sounds (like the kaplan high yield lectures where you can only click on one of the "APT M" locations) Thanks!
what does everyone think of the goljan audio and goljan rapid review text? Is it worth it or does FA and uworld pretty much cover everythng?
My plan right now is just doing first aid and uworld, what do u guys think?
Also, has anyone been doing the kaplan high yield vids? I have those, but haven't really been using them, are they good?
what does everyone think of the goljan audio and goljan rapid review text? Is it worth it or does FA and uworld pretty much cover everythng?
My plan right now is just doing first aid and uworld, what do u guys think?
what does everyone think of the goljan audio and goljan rapid review text? Is it worth it or does FA and uworld pretty much cover everythng?
My plan right now is just doing first aid and uworld, what do u guys think?
Also, has anyone been doing the kaplan high yield vids? I have those, but haven't really been using them, are they good?
Last year, when I was more than a year out, I had listened to about half of the 36 Goljan audios. I thought they were fantastic. However, I realize now that that's because I was seeing the material for the first time. Goljan really helps solidify the concepts if you are learning them for the first time (or have learned them before but don't feel very comfortable with them).
Question for recent test-takers:
Going through the Kaplan Qbank, I often notice a question where the answer choices are something like:
a. Positive-sense single-stranded RNA naked icosahedral virus
b. Positive-sense single-stranded RNA helical enveloped virus
c/d/e (three other similar answer choices).
My question is - do those sorts of questions actually show up on the real exam? Or are they just examples of Kaplan Qbank's notorious nitpickiness?
If you think you're sharing "too much" information from the exam, I think it's best not to.
I know everyone wants to get every possible question right, but to do that at any expense would be wrong.
Posting from a new account because this could be considered giving out too much information and my real account is very easily linked to myself.
Say what?
i.e. cheating is bad regardless if you are the giver or receiver of the knowledge.Say what?
What I don't get is why question banks and review courses can get away with ripping STEP question concepts from students who have taken the test without consequence (and charge money for it!) but a student on his own talking about it without the expectation of compensation is wrong.
Question for recent test-takers:
Going through the Kaplan Qbank, I often notice a question where the answer choices are something like:
a. Positive-sense single-stranded RNA naked icosahedral virus
b. Positive-sense single-stranded RNA helical enveloped virus
c/d/e (three other similar answer choices).
My question is - do those sorts of questions actually show up on the real exam? Or are they just examples of Kaplan Qbank's notorious nitpickiness?
Going through the Kaplan Qbank, I often notice a question where the answer choices are something like:
a. Positive-sense single-stranded RNA naked icosahedral virus
b. Positive-sense single-stranded RNA helical enveloped virus
c/d/e (three other similar answer choices).
My question is - do those sorts of questions actually show up on the real exam? Or are they just examples of Kaplan Qbank's notorious nitpickiness?
If you've ever listened to Goljan audio or Kaplan CenterPrep, then you'd know that these companies definitely do post test debriefings and get details on specific test question concepts, what kind of pictures were being used, etc. For example Mr. Raymond (Pharm, Kaplan) in one of his video said something along the lines of "Oh, they tested on aminoglycoside side effect of inhibition of the NMJ by showing a diagram of a neuronal synapse and you had to pick the same mode of action as botulinum toxin." Yeah, that level of specificity. Every 10 minutes Goljan in his audio will refer to the fact that things are in his review notes BECAUSE they are based on student feedback from the exam. He'll say things like "One of my students told me this EXACT picture was on the exam, KNOW IT!." Or "I didn't think CD10 was important, but student feedback said that was the answer choice to a question about the diagnosis ALL based on CD markers. So I just added it to the notes. If you had a lecture with me 3 weeks ago it wasn't in them," etc. Yet they're allowed to profit from it...This may or may not be true, I wouldn't know. However, the majority of the stuff the major qbanks use is based on retired questions that they purchased from the NBME.
Ha, I've definitely been giving off the wrong impression here. 250 is a pipe dream for me.Shan564, I know you have the bar set high, so I'm actually a bit surprised that you'd even question whether this stuff is too pedantic. Absolutely learn the micro algorithms, especially if questions based on them have shown up on the QBanks. If you get one or two questions on the exam and don't know them, you'll be kicking yourself, particularly since these are the ones that become more important if you're shooting >250.
Well, that's one heck of an endorsement. It sounds like I need to buy these immediately. Micro is one of my weakest subjects in UW/Kaplan, so I could definitely use the help.I've found the Sanjiv Microcards to be phenomenal for learning the algorithms, and of any resource I've used for Step1 so far, they are unequivocally the best study tool I've come across. Memorizing the lists from FA for micro isn't good enough. Get the Sanjiv Microcards and memorize the tree-algorithms. I promise it will make micro your best subject if it isn't already.
I would obviously recommend going through all of the Sanjiv Microcards, but the bare minimum is the algorithm cards; these precede the vignettes. And yes, buy them immediately.
How much time did you guys have to invest in the Microcards? I'm not sure if I have enough time to start something new now...
I would obviously recommend going through all of the Sanjiv Microcards, but the bare minimum is the algorithm cards; these precede the vignettes. And yes, buy them immediately.
Those Microcards are seriously gold, I've never been a flashcard person but I love that set. Blows every other Step 1 commercial flashcard set out of the water.
I start a micro block soon, would reading Clinical Micro Made Ridiculous Simple along with theses microcards give a good foundation? I have a week off, so I was thinking of running through them real quick as an overview.