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I figure now is a good time to jump-start this thread.

Even though some of us who had taken the exam in late-2012 are still awaiting our scores (amid the holiday delays) and could technically still post within last year's thread, it is after all mid-January now, so it's probably apposite that we move forward and hope for a great year.

:luck: Cheers to 2013 :luck:
 
Quick run-down on my experience, hopefully helpful to someone out there:

During the semester:
- Studied hard for shelf exams.
- Watched DIT videos at 1.5-2x, annotating FA thoroughly (equivalent of x1 careful read-through).
- Listened to Goljan on the bus (normal speed)

During six-week study period:
- QBanks first thing every morning. Started with 3/day for first two weeks, then increased to 4 and 5 as the reviewing process became faster. Always timed, always random, and always back-to-back (with short breaks for food and bathroom, obviously, but I didn't review until after I was done with all the blocks).
- Watched one Pathoma chapter at 1.5-2x while eating lunch.
- Reviewed morning questions in the afternoon.
- Read assigned FA pages at night. I allocated 4 days for biochem, 3 days for micro, 3 days for neuro, 2 days each for CV, pulm, renal, and GI, and 1 day each for endo, repro, MSK/derm, heme/onc, BS/psych, immuno/path, pharma/embryo (in those pairings, but not in that order).
- Spent every Sunday as a review / catch-up day where I would still do qbanks in the morning/afternoon, but the evening was reserved to go back over FA pages from the week I'd bookmarked and wanted to study again.
- If I got bored, had extra time at the end of the night, or felt weak on a particular area, I read Goljan or used questions from WebPath, Rx, Robbins Review of Pathology, BRS, Rapid Review, or anything else I could get my hands on. 90% of questions in all of these are easy, so not worth the time unless you're way ahead in your FA / UW / Kaplan, and if I were only going to do one it would definitely be WebPath.

QBank and practice test breakdown was as follows:
- Once through Kaplan qbank (74%)
- Once through UWorld qbank (82%)
- Once through Kaplan questions I missed the first time around
- Once through UWorld questions I missed the first time around

- Kaplan FL-1, -18 days: 81%
- NBME-11, -13 days: 264
- Kaplan FL-2, -11 days: 77%
- NBME-12, -9 days: 258
- UWSA-1, -8 days: 261
- NBME-7, -7 days: 262
- UWSA-2, -6 days: 265
- NBME-13, -5 days: 263

FYI the only NBME I paid for was #11; the rest I used the "downloadable" versions and thought they were totally fine, but not worth paying for. I used the SDN score curve that's floating around to calculate those scores, so there's obviously a margin of error, but I don't think it's terrible inaccurate, and definitely better than shelling out $50 a pop if you have the discipline to create a test-like environment for yourself while going through the questions.

Last four days were set aside for FA review of highest-yield topics, plus 2-3qbanks on the corresponding topics of questions I'd flagged in UW:
- Embryology, neuroanatomy, limb anatomy
- Micro, ABX, immunology
- Biochemistry
- Drugs, rapid review, important notes and drawings

I also had a stack of about 30 drawings of the most common pathways, GN/GP bacteria diagrams, virus memorization mnemonics, and other need-to-know facts that I went over and redrew every single morning for the last week, which I think was really worthwhile.

Test day was relaxed for the most part. I found myself marking about 5 questions per block, and feeling confident about the answer I was ultimately submitting for 2-3 of them, and unsure about the others. Most of the content was very predictable: basic micro, common genetic diseases, very detailed CV and renal physiology, lots of gross neuroanatomy questions. Histology has been a strong point of mine and I found the path slides to be especially difficult, and often from less-commonly-covered organs like prostate and pituitary. CXR/CT were all very straightforward. Several GU and spinal anatomy questions caught me off guard. Drugs were by far the most over-represented subset of questions, covering everything I'd seen in FA or UW, and a lot that I hadn't. Autonomics and antibiotics were the most high-yield, but I had a number of weird questions on rare side effects of uncommon drugs that were probably the most difficult questions on the exam.

As many others have said, getting good rest, reading questions carefully, and not second guessing yourself is the most important thing you can do to ensure a good score. Half of the questions I got wrong were random minutiae I couldn't possibly have known were coming, and that's luck-of-the-draw, so don't lose sleep trying to hunt down stuff that isn't in FA, UW, or Kaplan. The other half are the ones I keep thinking about even now, a month later, where I picked a "less obvious" answer and, in retrospect, cost myself some important points.

Final score: 259.

Thanks for sharing this. I want to do something very similar to this. Thanks!!
 
I just took the real deal today. I go to school at UNM School of Medicine and we have to be done by March 3rd. It's a verrrryyy looooong test. By block 7 I felt really un-focused, but I conquered the beast.

Prep:

-DIT
-1x through Uworld very slowly and thoroughly: Scored ~ 66%
-NBME Form 12: 231

My goal: Anything >225

Glad that's over with!

Got my score today 234! I'm so pumped since it's plenty for ER which is what I want. Thank god I'll never have to do that again.
 
how's everyone doing finishing up M2 year along with Step studying?

I put classes on the back burner awhile back and have been spending just as much time, if not more, on Step 1 preparation this semester. Grades have dropped, but not that much. I think if you are responsible with your time, you can easily study for boards and classes successfully.
 
how's everyone doing finishing up M2 year along with Step studying?

I have 95%+ in the three core classes (Pharm, Path, Micro), but unfortunately I think I'm going to have to let my grades slip out of "honors" range and into passing since I am starting hardcore board studying this weekend. It sucks that I worked my ass off all year to get to the top of my class and I may be throwing it away, but.. priorities 🙁
 
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congrats on a great score. How long did it take you to complete and review each block? Also, when you say that you studied for shelf exams, does that mean you're actually in your third?

Wondering if being in the wards gives an advantage (ie knowing so much more clinically and understanding more pathopyhs)...

So, I obviously started slower and ended faster, but I'd say my average clip was about 40 minutes per block, with about 5 marked questions. In general, I would just pull the trigger after a second look at those questions; most of them were more "memorization" than "figure-it-out" questions, and I realized that not only would getting them wrong mean than an area of weakness would end up in the second-pass, and that I'd also be saving a little bit of time on each block.

Reviewing was surprisingly variable, but generally about 90 minutes per block. Someone else asked about how in-depth I was going a bit earlier in the thread, and the short version is "as much as I needed to, within reason." I definitely didn't obsess over every detail in every wrong choice and I'm not sure that's the most efficient strategy (although people are right when they talk about how "loaded" w high-yield information they really are), but I did read the entire response thoroughly, and look up anything truly unfamiliar or confusing. Topics that were more straight memorization like micro and drug side effects I tended to skim through (volume-of-repetitions was the priority here), while more challenging topics like the physiology of anesthetic agents or autonomic pharmacology I took the time to really unpack before moving on. I also kept spreadsheets of any drugs I either hadn't heard of before or struggled to remember, and another of odd and specific toxicities, each of which I reviewed a few times at the end of my six weeks.

RE: My curriculum, yes, my medical school is on one of the weird models in which you do 1.5 preclinical years, 1 year of core clerkships, and then take step 1. In all ways but one, I think the advantages and disadvantages of this model balanced each other out: I spent less time on basic CV or renal physiology, but I spent more time re-memorizing biochemical pathways, pathology buzzwords, and microbe cellular structures, so I think that all came out in the wash. I think I did have a bit of an advantage when it came to timing, because studying for and sitting all the shelf exams made me a very fast test taker, and I think that's why even early on I never ran out of time on practice question banks. That said, I also didn't know my score until a week ago, and so my ability to pick a specialty with any degree of confidence was very limited during the clerkship year, which was an annoying trade-off.

Anyway, I hope that answers your questions--thanks for the well-wishes, and good luck on your test!
 
Max, did reading Rapid Review, per say give you an advantage? I'm using my path study resource as primarily pathoma, goljan audio, first aid. I've read the first 3 chapters and was going to read CV, and the last neuro chapter.
 
Those that have taken the Step 1 already, how important (# of questions probably?) is Neuro? I've read in many places that High Yield Neuroanatomy (James Fix) is a great book to study for the boards. But I'm about 4 weeks out from my exam, still trying to get through UWorld, FA, Clinical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple, and fit in NBME's. Not sure where I'm going to fit HY Neuro. I mean Neuro was never a strong topic for me the begin with but is the FA Neuro sufficient? Or should I rather focus more on HY Neuro and skim FA Neuro?

Thanks in advance for the advice.👍
 
how's everyone doing finishing up M2 year along with Step studying?

Fitting in one block of questions (46q Uworld) every other day. The days I don't do a block I review the previous days questions, I'm marking all that I missed plus some that were really good questions whether I got them correct or not.

Early on I was doing a block and reviewing and GT and studying for school...I got burnt after 2 weeks of that and didn't touch Uworld for a month. Of course I'm looking for a much more real score of 230+ as opposed to 260+ which seems to be the average of SDN posted scores.
 
Those that have taken the Step 1 already, how important (# of questions probably?) is Neuro? I've read in many places that High Yield Neuroanatomy (James Fix) is a great book to study for the boards. But I'm about 4 weeks out from my exam, still trying to get through UWorld, FA, Clinical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple, and fit in NBME's. Not sure where I'm going to fit HY Neuro. I mean Neuro was never a strong topic for me the begin with but is the FA Neuro sufficient? Or should I rather focus more on HY Neuro and skim FA Neuro?

Thanks in advance for the advice.👍

Dunno if this helps you but I am going to hardcore memorize FA and skim HY. I used HY for my classes and loved it but I do think it is a little too in depth. I will hit some sections harder, like tracts and cross sections and localization of masses.
 
Long-time viewer, first-time poster

I'm a second year at NW Feinberg and we had an email forwarded to us this week about a study schedule app for the boards. One of my classmates at Feinberg knows the guys that designed it and says they're legit. I'm gonna give the app a try and keep you posted. Here's a link if you wanna check it out: http://usmlexcellence.com/
 
Long-time viewer, first-time poster

I'm a second year at NW Feinberg and we had an email forwarded to us this week about a study schedule app for the boards. One of my classmates at Feinberg knows the guys that designed it and says they're legit. I'm gonna give the app a try and keep you posted. Here's a link if you wanna check it out: http://usmlexcellence.com/

$4.99...ain't nobody got time for that.
Free or bust. :laugh:
 
Long-time viewer, first-time poster

I'm a second year at NW Feinberg and we had an email forwarded to us this week about a study schedule app for the boards. One of my classmates at Feinberg knows the guys that designed it and says they're legit. I'm gonna give the app a try and keep you posted. Here's a link if you wanna check it out: http://usmlexcellence.com/

Seems like the minimum time needed for it is 10 weeks (4 for phase 1, 6 for phase 2.) is that incorrect?

Won't help most of us in here if that is the case.
 
Max, did reading Rapid Review, per say give you an advantage? I'm using my path study resource as primarily pathoma, goljan audio, first aid. I've read the first 3 chapters and was going to read CV, and the last neuro chapter.

I'd file RR under "medium-yield"... for areas of pathology I felt weak on, it was definitely the best supplemental text, but it's a bit dense to be a primary resource. The earlier chapters are definitely higher yield, and if you're looking to trim even further you can focus on the blue boxes and any sub-sections you don't understand.

I think pathoma+goljan+FA is a great foundation, and UW will highlight anything you need to review in greater depth. The WebPath image quizzes are also great, as are their topic-specific qbanks if you need to supplement, say, neuro or endocrine or whatever. If I were going to do it all again, I think a closer reading of RR is the next thing I would have ADDED to what I did, but given the time available and how things went I wouldn't do it INSTEAD of anything I did... I guess my final opinion is that if you have the time it's a great resource and it does give you an edge, but that edge is relatively small and I think I made more careless mistakes than I missed questions I would have gotten if I had read it thoroughly. Hope that makes sense.
 
NBME 5 on 2/28: 245
NBME 6 on 3/11: 247
NBME 7 on 3/14: 254

It's nice to see the scores improving. On all 3 my worst areas were repro/endo and respiratory. To try to improve those areas I'm thinking of watching pathoma, doing Rx questions for those subjects. Any other suggestions? I'd like to read costanza's physio for those topics but that would take a long time
 
Just finished up first read through FA, which i started 2 months ago. Been following up with Kaplan questions..... not doing so hot. Getting 50-60% correct (converted to a 211-220 depending on the online "conversion"). I have spring break soon and I am probably gonna switch over to UWorld doing 2 blocks/day, while doing pathoma the whole week along with more FA reading

I would like to get up to 60% consistent on UWorld by end of my spring break (10 days). I have noooo idea if this is possible. I write my exam end of June, after 5 weeks of dedicated study time. Im 3 months out, but not sure if my progress is anything good or not?

Anyone mind commenting im doing alright for this far out? I would love to get 240 (but than again who wouldnt)
 
NBME 5 on 2/28: 245
NBME 6 on 3/11: 247
NBME 7 on 3/14: 254

It's nice to see the scores improving. On all 3 my worst areas were repro/endo and respiratory. To try to improve those areas I'm thinking of watching pathoma, doing Rx questions for those subjects. Any other suggestions? I'd like to read costanza's physio for those topics but that would take a long time

You could read it. Just go fat and focus on the bolded words (brs physio not the big one). Definitely pathoma though - goljan is solid also for detail, brs path for a quick hit.
 
When I was studying for step 1 I browsed the 2012 thread frequently and found it to be reassuring so I thought I would share my story:

UWSA 2 (2 weeks before exam): 261
UWSA 1 (1 week before exam): 255
NBMEs: none, I'm too cheap
Real thing: 259

Background info: my school does 1.5 yrs basic science -> 1 yr clinics -> step 1
Step 1 prep:
Preclinical/Clinical yrs: I am not one of those students who was studying specifically for step 1 during my pre-clinical years. I went to classes, studied hard for exams, but didn't open First Aid or do any other prep besides just reading my notes from class. During the clinical year I studied hard for shelf exams but still did not even own First Aid but did work through the UWORLD step 2 questions.
Dedicated study time: 8 wks, which is roughly 2 wks longer than most of my classmates took. Studied roughly 10-14 hrs a day, took only 2 days off.
Materials: Our school has a list of recommended books for crushing step 1 - I bought them all and, like most of my classmates, realized it's impossible to read them all in 8 weeks. The only resources I actually used were:
First Aid - read each system 2x and all other sections 3x (focusing on biochem, micro, pharm in last few days)​
Lippincott's biochem to make sense of what was written in First aid since our school doesn't teach biochem that well​
Pathoma - videos 1x, text 2x​
A few sections of High Yield Gross Anatomy - mostly upper/lower extrem, abdominal stuff, decided to not study pelvic anatomy and just hoped it would not show up​
BRS Physio - read 1x, seemed awesome while reading it but in retrospect didn't help for the test, didn't hurt though either​
Questions: Uworld 1x - 79% overall, redid marked questions and some of my incorrects

TEST: overall not bad, I left the test feeling fine but over the next few days realized the stupid mistakes I made and basically couldn't shut my brain off until getting busy with 3rd yr electives.
I thought the majority of questions were easy-medium in difficulty (easier than Uworld), but the hard questions were definitely harder than uworld. There were a handful of questions that made absolutely no sense so I just told myself to pick something and move on. I typically marked 5-10 questions per block, and finished each section with 10-15 mins left to review only my marked.
I don't remember that much from the test itself - except that the biochem and pharm was very simple - I regret putting so much effort into these. A couple simple MOA, maybe 2 side effect questions but all basic drugs.
Pathology: I felt like I had a great handle on pathology and was prepared for the difficult questions, but felt that these questions were much more simple than UWorld, very straightforward. I think Pathoma helped me a little maybe, but the material on my exam for this section was very superficial and did not require a thorough understanding of pathology - I had no questions on heme/onc or renal fyi. Most of my friends who also had scores in the 250s did not bother with an additional path resource.
Molecular bio type stuff - I felt like a had a bunch, but maybe it wasn't that much, but it stuck out because it was tricky. I just told myself these were probably experimental and moved on (I'm sure some of them were real but it's easier to keep confidence up that way)
Micro - not as difficult as uworld, 1 question about a MOA for a drug mentioned in First Aid but the MOA is not in there; no virus questions
The anatomy was the one thing that stuck out as difficult - I think a year of clinics was helpful for me especially for getting comfortable with looking at imaging, especially neuroimaging, because I didn't really learn anatomy well during MS1 yr. My only suggestion for this is to browse the various websites that people have posted on here to get comfortable with CTs of neck, abd, pelvis, heart, brain.

I feel like overall probably 90% of material came from First Aid/Uworld - if you really understood what was there. 5% seemed like random stuff that most people would not know or would remember from pre-clinical yrs or were probably just experimental questions. Maybe 2 questions I got only because of remember random facts of pre-clinical years. Clinical yr helped for recognizing diseases/disorders and for imaging, otherwise no real advantage to having clinics before step 1. I probably got better at taking standardized tests though after a year of shelf exams.

My advice for what it's worth: Read FA at least 2-3x (especially for those sections requiring more memory). Don't commit yourself to other resources but use them as needed to better understand sections that don't make sense to you or areas of Uworld that you are doing not so great in. Choose an additional resource for pathology (pathoma is great, I also think BRS is fine, but Goljan is too long for a dedicated study period). Do Uworld questions and a few practice tests to see where you are at and get comfortable with timing.

Don't listen to everyone who says UWSAs overestimate (my real score was in between, some of my friends did better than UWSA and some did worse but not more than 10 pts worse than their best). Also don't feel the need to do NBMEs unless you have lots of extra time or just want to do them. I chose not to take these because I figured my time would be better spent just studying since I had done 2 UWSAs and figured even if they DID overestimate, my score would be fine enough. Maybe if I was in a position to move my test date back and was shooting for like a 260 I would take them, but I couldn't push my date back because of electives so I didn't want to stress myself out with a bad NBME score right before the real thing.
 
UWSA 2 (2 weeks before exam): 261
UWSA 1 (1 week before exam): 255
NBMEs: none, I'm too cheap
Real thing: 259


A few sections of High Yield Gross Anatomy - mostly upper/lower extrem, abdominal stuff, decided to not study pelvic anatomy and just hoped it would not show up​

Congrats on an awesome score. How did you feel the HY anatomy helped you? I know anatomy is one of my weaker points so I'm trying to gauge some efficient resources
- Did you see the pelvic anatomy show up on your test?


....and yet another person with clinical experience before taking Step1. I'm pretty convinced that overall, taking it after spending significant time in clinic/taking Shelf Exams provides a significant advantage
 
Congrats on an awesome score. How did you feel the HY anatomy helped you? I know anatomy is one of my weaker points so I'm trying to gauge some efficient resources
- Did you see the pelvic anatomy show up on your test?


....and yet another person with clinical experience before taking Step1. I'm pretty convinced that overall, taking it after spending significant time in clinic/taking Shelf Exams provides a significant advantage


No pelvic anatomy for me but I did review briefly pelvic bones and pelvic diaphragm - I had a lot of neck anatomy which I was not expecting and had not studied, some abdominal anatomy (mostly CT image stuff). A few MSK anatomy questions for which I thought HY Gross Anatomy was helpful for MSK because I really liked the chapters for upper and lower extrem and they were short and easy to read. I think overall the book is not bad to skim - especially the clinical correlations but I wouldn't say it's a "Must Have" and probably didn't actually help me get any questions correct. I think one of the most helpful things for anatomy is going through the imaging websites that people have posted (web path, etc). Again, though, I feel like anatomy is one of those subjects where you could put in a lot of time and still get questions on stuff you haven't looked over.
 
No pelvic anatomy for me but I did review briefly pelvic bones and pelvic diaphragm - I had a lot of neck anatomy which I was not expecting and had not studied, some abdominal anatomy (mostly CT image stuff). A few MSK anatomy questions for which I thought HY Gross Anatomy was helpful for MSK because I really liked the chapters for upper and lower extrem and they were short and easy to read. I think overall the book is not bad to skim - especially the clinical correlations but I wouldn't say it's a "Must Have" and probably didn't actually help me get any questions correct. I think one of the most helpful things for anatomy is going through the imaging websites that people have posted (web path, etc). Again, though, I feel like anatomy is one of those subjects where you could put in a lot of time and still get questions on stuff you haven't looked over.

Webpath anatomy? Could you post some of those links?
 
When I was studying for step 1 I browsed the 2012 thread frequently and found it to be reassuring so I thought I would share my story:

UWSA 2 (2 weeks before exam): 261
UWSA 1 (1 week before exam): 255
NBMEs: none, I'm too cheap
Real thing: 259

Background info: my school does 1.5 yrs basic science -> 1 yr clinics -> step 1
Step 1 prep:
Preclinical/Clinical yrs: I am not one of those students who was studying specifically for step 1 during my pre-clinical years. I went to classes, studied hard for exams, but didn't open First Aid or do any other prep besides just reading my notes from class. During the clinical year I studied hard for shelf exams but still did not even own First Aid but did work through the UWORLD step 2 questions.
Dedicated study time: 8 wks, which is roughly 2 wks longer than most of my classmates took. Studied roughly 10-14 hrs a day, took only 2 days off.
Materials: Our school has a list of recommended books for crushing step 1 - I bought them all and, like most of my classmates, realized it's impossible to read them all in 8 weeks. The only resources I actually used were:
First Aid - read each system 2x and all other sections 3x (focusing on biochem, micro, pharm in last few days)​
Lippincott's biochem to make sense of what was written in First aid since our school doesn't teach biochem that well​
Pathoma - videos 1x, text 2x​
A few sections of High Yield Gross Anatomy - mostly upper/lower extrem, abdominal stuff, decided to not study pelvic anatomy and just hoped it would not show up​
BRS Physio - read 1x, seemed awesome while reading it but in retrospect didn't help for the test, didn't hurt though either​
Questions: Uworld 1x - 79% overall, redid marked questions and some of my incorrects

TEST: overall not bad, I left the test feeling fine but over the next few days realized the stupid mistakes I made and basically couldn't shut my brain off until getting busy with 3rd yr electives.
I thought the majority of questions were easy-medium in difficulty (easier than Uworld), but the hard questions were definitely harder than uworld. There were a handful of questions that made absolutely no sense so I just told myself to pick something and move on. I typically marked 5-10 questions per block, and finished each section with 10-15 mins left to review only my marked.
I don't remember that much from the test itself - except that the biochem and pharm was very simple - I regret putting so much effort into these. A couple simple MOA, maybe 2 side effect questions but all basic drugs.
Pathology: I felt like I had a great handle on pathology and was prepared for the difficult questions, but felt that these questions were much more simple than UWorld, very straightforward. I think Pathoma helped me a little maybe, but the material on my exam for this section was very superficial and did not require a thorough understanding of pathology - I had no questions on heme/onc or renal fyi. Most of my friends who also had scores in the 250s did not bother with an additional path resource.
Molecular bio type stuff - I felt like a had a bunch, but maybe it wasn't that much, but it stuck out because it was tricky. I just told myself these were probably experimental and moved on (I'm sure some of them were real but it's easier to keep confidence up that way)
Micro - not as difficult as uworld, 1 question about a MOA for a drug mentioned in First Aid but the MOA is not in there; no virus questions
The anatomy was the one thing that stuck out as difficult - I think a year of clinics was helpful for me especially for getting comfortable with looking at imaging, especially neuroimaging, because I didn't really learn anatomy well during MS1 yr. My only suggestion for this is to browse the various websites that people have posted on here to get comfortable with CTs of neck, abd, pelvis, heart, brain.

I feel like overall probably 90% of material came from First Aid/Uworld - if you really understood what was there. 5% seemed like random stuff that most people would not know or would remember from pre-clinical yrs or were probably just experimental questions. Maybe 2 questions I got only because of remember random facts of pre-clinical years. Clinical yr helped for recognizing diseases/disorders and for imaging, otherwise no real advantage to having clinics before step 1. I probably got better at taking standardized tests though after a year of shelf exams.

My advice for what it's worth: Read FA at least 2-3x (especially for those sections requiring more memory). Don't commit yourself to other resources but use them as needed to better understand sections that don't make sense to you or areas of Uworld that you are doing not so great in. Choose an additional resource for pathology (pathoma is great, I also think BRS is fine, but Goljan is too long for a dedicated study period). Do Uworld questions and a few practice tests to see where you are at and get comfortable with timing.

Don't listen to everyone who says UWSAs overestimate (my real score was in between, some of my friends did better than UWSA and some did worse but not more than 10 pts worse than their best). Also don't feel the need to do NBMEs unless you have lots of extra time or just want to do them. I chose not to take these because I figured my time would be better spent just studying since I had done 2 UWSAs and figured even if they DID overestimate, my score would be fine enough. Maybe if I was in a position to move my test date back and was shooting for like a 260 I would take them, but I couldn't push my date back because of electives so I didn't want to stress myself out with a bad NBME score right before the real thing.

Solid performance. I'm a bit surprised by the neck anatomy. I never would have seen that coming either had that popped up on my exam. I had two perineal anatomy questions on my exam in December; both were minutiae.
 
Dunno if this helps you but I am going to hardcore memorize FA and skim HY. I used HY for my classes and loved it but I do think it is a little too in depth. I will hit some sections harder, like tracts and cross sections and localization of masses.
Thanks, I'm probably going to do that as well. Any suggestions from other people about my HY Neuro question?
 
What score can I expect with just doing FA and Uworld?

Estimation heavily dependent on having a solid foundation from the first 2 years - I think the consensus was FA (memorized) = ~230, and then adding in UW (doing it very well) = 230-250. Wide range seems to be due to the luck of draw on the real deal as well as individual strengths/weaknesses (retention/recall/individual subjects/test-taking, etc).
 
Solid performance. I'm a bit surprised by the neck anatomy. I never would have seen that coming either had that popped up on my exam. I had two perineal anatomy questions on my exam in December; both were minutiae.

Really? I was hoping that I'd be able to skip it and just learn upper limb and lower limb. Was hoping nothing too major in the abdomen/perineal region.
 
Really? I was hoping that I'd be able to skip it and just learn upper limb and lower limb. Was hoping nothing too major in the abdomen/perineal region.

I believe that abdomina CT scans are heavily tested fyi.
Perineal: lumbosacral plexus is kinda important

Are you studying ligaments and joints of the limbs?
 
Estimation heavily dependent on having a solid foundation from the first 2 years - I think the consensus was FA (memorized) = ~230, and then adding in UW (doing it very well) = 230-250. Wide range seems to be due to the luck of draw on the real deal as well as individual strengths/weaknesses (retention/recall/individual subjects/test-taking, etc).

CDI's on the mark here. Very good estimations.

I'll even throw in a different combination: a very good student from my school did not touch FA but did 7000 questions, and he got a 242. No one on this forum wouldn't look at FA, but that's just to show that the text is a necessary resource. Had he memorized merely the highest yield stuff in FA, I believe he may have been sitting at 252-255.

Really? I was hoping that I'd be able to skip it and just learn upper limb and lower limb. Was hoping nothing too major in the abdomen/perineal region.

I had two WTF-difficulty anatomy questions on the perineal region.

Don't freak out about anatomy. It was my worst subject going in and everything went well on my real deal.

Know the highest yield stuff for pretty much every bodily region. Don't skip areas. Just know the basic relations.

I had an easier insertion point question on my exam. Did I study insertion points? No. But the other answers were blatantly wrong.

There is an NBME question floating around (I'm fairly sure it was on form 11, 12 or 13), that asked a ******edly low-yield insertion point, but the real deal likely won't have questions that specific. Everyone is going to get 3 or 4 very very difficult questions on his or her test. Whether they're anatomy or not is a toss-up.
 
CDI's on the mark here. Very good estimations.

I'll even throw in a different combination: a very good student from my school did not touch FA but did 7000 questions, and he got a 242. No one on this forum wouldn't look at FA, but that's just to show that the text is a necessary resource. Had he memorized merely the highest yield stuff in FA, I believe he may have been sitting at 252-255.



I had two WTF-difficulty anatomy questions on the perineal region.

Don't freak out about anatomy. It was my worst subject going in and everything went well on my real deal.

Know the highest yield stuff for pretty much every bodily region. Don't skip areas. Just know the basic relations.

I had an easier insertion point question on my exam. Did I study insertion points? No. But the other answers were blatantly wrong.

There is an NBME question floating around (I'm fairly sure it was on form 11, 12 or 13), that asked a ******edly low-yield insertion point, but the real deal likely won't have questions that specific. Everyone is going to get 3 or 4 very very difficult questions on his or her test. Whether they're anatomy or not is a toss-up.

:laugh: Glad you agree with my estimations, I bummed them off you man. I'm not at high enough a score to deduce it on my own.

I'd think think the common 'insertions' they'd ask are usually in regards to ACL/PCL. Simple to botch that. At worse maybe something on some lower limb muscle insertions, like sartorius (since that's a bit unique in function also).

The weirdest one I saw in the NBMEs was the palmaris longus one. 'Bachelor of Surgery' is finally paying off with anatomy for Step 1 though, saving me with anat.
 
Just finished up first read through FA, which i started 2 months ago. Been following up with Kaplan questions..... not doing so hot. Getting 50-60% correct (converted to a 211-220 depending on the online "conversion"). I have spring break soon and I am probably gonna switch over to UWorld doing 2 blocks/day, while doing pathoma the whole week along with more FA reading

I would like to get up to 60% consistent on UWorld by end of my spring break (10 days). I have noooo idea if this is possible. I write my exam end of June, after 5 weeks of dedicated study time. Im 3 months out, but not sure if my progress is anything good or not?

Anyone mind commenting im doing alright for this far out? I would love to get 240 (but than again who wouldnt)

Anyone? I just want an idea of where others our on their qbanks
 
:laugh: Glad you agree with my estimations, I bummed them off you man. I'm not at high enough a score to deduce it on my own.

I'd think think the common 'insertions' they'd ask are usually in regards to ACL/PCL. Simple to botch that. At worse maybe something on some lower limb muscle insertions, like sartorius (since that's a bit unique in function also).

The weirdest one I saw in the NBMEs was the palmaris longus one. 'Bachelor of Surgery' is finally paying off with anatomy for Step 1 though, saving me with anat.

I don't even remember palmaris longus having shown up on the NBMEs (just for the record, NBME specifics shouldn't be discussed on this thread, but instead in separate ones, so that those who haven't sat the NBMEs get more accurate predictions).

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I should also make a point about ACL/PCL: not only is it high-yield to know the insertions for those, but it's even higher-yield to be able to identify them on MRI. I've seen quite a few knee-imaging questions, where I learned the insertions, not merely in terms of textual understanding, but actually in a visual way. On the real deal, MRIs of the knee are very high-yield, so Google those.
 
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Anyone? I just want an idea of where others our on their qbanks

Kaplan QBank is very difficult. Low-%s there are normal so don't freak out.

I'd say 72-75% on UWorld would signify a potential USMLE result in the low-240s. 75-77 is generally high-240s; high-70s is 250s. 80-82% is borderline 260, and >83% is almost always 260+ (however you do get the occasional guy who gets 84% then a 259, or someone who gets an 81% with a 267, but those are exceptions rather than the rule).

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Get through Kaplan and don't worry about the %.

After that, meticulously comb/peruse UWorld, and memorize everything in there. You'll exceed 240 if you know UWorld cold and have read FA.
 
CDI's on the mark here. Very good estimations.

I'll even throw in a different combination: a very good student from my school did not touch FA but did 7000 questions, and he got a 242. No one on this forum wouldn't look at FA, but that's just to show that the text is a necessary resource. Had he memorized merely the highest yield stuff in FA, I believe he may have been sitting at 252-255.



I had two WTF-difficulty anatomy questions on the perineal region.

Don't freak out about anatomy. It was my worst subject going in and everything went well on my real deal.

Know the highest yield stuff for pretty much every bodily region. Don't skip areas. Just know the basic relations.

I had an easier insertion point question on my exam. Did I study insertion points? No. But the other answers were blatantly wrong.

There is an NBME question floating around (I'm fairly sure it was on form 11, 12 or 13), that asked a ******edly low-yield insertion point, but the real deal likely won't have questions that specific. Everyone is going to get 3 or 4 very very difficult questions on his or her test. Whether they're anatomy or not is a toss-up.

Second most of what Phlo is saying here re: anatomy, especially the overall theme of "know the basics everywhere, but don't lose too much time on details."

To reiterate someone else above, you definitely need to be comfortable with CXR, abdominal CT, and head CT / brain MRI. I had at least one of each on my test, with several abdominal CTs. MRI of the knee was on my exam as well, and you had to be able to distinguish which part of the "X" was the ACL vs PCL to answer the question. I also saw an MRI of the carpal tunnel, but it was 100% unnecessary to answer the question if you understood the physiology of the syndrome.

I had one or two questions about vascular supply to various organs that were pretty easy, but it's still worth reviewing. Nothing more than what's in FA and UW, but I wouldn't ignore it.

Like Phloston, I had a few perineum questions, including a trauma / urine extravasation question demanding basic understanding of which part of the urethra passes through which spaces (prostate, deep pouch, superficial pouch, penis, etc.), a basic innervation question (you should review what's innervated by pudendal vs pelvic nerves), and a histology slice of the penis that required you to be able to identify the layer effected in Peyronie's.

I also haven't talked to a single person who hasn't had at least ONE limb question, and I had three, each of which was at least close to a "classic" question about things like motor or sensory effects of a spiral fracture, a shoulder dislocation, or a knee dislocation.

IMO anatomy is low-yield in the sense that it only makes up a few questions on the entire test and they tend to be relatively predictable, but carefully looking over the highest-yield sections (imaging, neuro, limbs, perineum) during your last few days of review can be very high-yield in the sense that a lot of these questions are "you know it or you dont" factoids that you'll want to kick yourself for not having looked over at least one last time.
 
Kaplan QBank is very difficult. Low-%s there are normal so don't freak out.

I'd say 72-75% on UWorld would signify a potential USMLE result in the low-240s. 75-77 is generally high-240s; high-70s is 250s. 80-82% is borderline 260, and >83% is almost always 260+ (however you do get the occasional guy who gets 84% then a 259, or someone who gets an 81% with a 267, but those are exceptions rather than the rule).

-------

Get through Kaplan and don't worry about the %.

After that, meticulously comb/peruse UWorld, and memorize everything in there. You'll exceed 240 if you know UWorld cold and have read FA.

Thanks Phloston!
 
Kaplan QBank is very difficult. Low-%s there are normal so don't freak out.

Sorry to jump in, phloston. If I just have extra one month for Qbanks other than UW, then what questions in Kaplan QBank and USMLE Rx it's better to do? I know that one month is very tight to to do both of them, that's why I am asking what subjects to do from these QBanks.
 
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