Official 2014-2015 GI Fellowship Application Cycle

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Thank you. This is an exciting, albeit nerve-racking time.
Best of luck to all!
 
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Guys.... reimbursements going tremendously down in GI? Whats the point of applying to it?
 
Just a question guys... I am not discouraging anyone from applying? Just wanted to find out what are the mc motivating factors to apply to GI?
 
money is really irrelevant.. you should pick a field you would love . Money is not going to make you happy. Motivating factors include: immediate diagnostic and therapeutic interventions which are satisfying, a very broad array of pathology that is pretty much unmatched in medicine- from hepatology to IBD to advanced endoscopy, one can subspecialize in so many fields if you are not satisfied with screening colos ... just imagine the possibilities when you hear of someone with new onset of elevated LFTs, such a broad differential and so many diagnostic and therapeutic measures can be made to improve those LFTs

and on the lines of what makes someone competitive, research is quite irrelevant if you want to enter a clinical GI fellowship.. what makes someone competitive in that respect are your PDs LOR, GI attendings LORs (who you know), board scores (step 1+ 2) and most importantly, your interview.. all subspecialties with see through an application that is just looking for monetary gain.. it's hard to fake passion
 
brujerizmo said:
money is really irrelevant.. you should pick a field you would love . Money is not going to make you happy. Motivating factors include: immediate diagnostic and therapeutic interventions which are satisfying, a very broad array of pathology that is pretty much unmatched in medicine- from hepatology to IBD to advanced endoscopy, one can subspecialize in so many fields if you are not satisfied with screening colos ... just imagine the possibilities when you hear of someone with new onset of elevated LFTs, such a broad differential and so many diagnostic and therapeutic measures can be made to improve those LFTs

and on the lines of what makes someone competitive, research is quite irrelevant if you want to enter a clinical GI fellowship.. what makes someone competitive in that respect are your PDs LOR, GI attendings LORs (who you know), board scores (step 1+ 2) and most importantly, your interview.. all subspecialties with see through an application that is just looking for monetary gain.. it's hard to fake passion
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let me rephrase that, it is relevant but not as much as in comparison with top academic centers ... I know many people who got into GI with little to some research experience and got into very reasonable places.. one actually got into a top GI program in the northeast with 2 poster presentations (same project) , and 0 publications from a mid tier IM program but had very high board scores
 
brujerizmo said:
let me rephrase that, it is relevant but not as much as in comparison with top academic centers ... I know many people who got into GI with little to some research experience and got into very reasonable places.. one actually got into a top GI program in the northeast with 2 poster presentations (same project) , and 0 publications from a mid tier IM program but had very high board scores
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By "clinical" are you saying community programs? A lot of academic programs have both clinical and research tracks, which you rank separately. Even for the purely clinical tracks, you still need to demonstrate research and a desire to be an academic physician for most programs. The level of research required is inversely proportional to your pedigree of residency program. From MGH? You are fine with an abstract. From a low-mid tier? Better have a paper or two.

These are generalities of course, and there will always be exceptions to the rule.
 
Quick question guys...if you are still working on couple of research projects (data collection stage, almost done), is there any place to include it in MyERAS application?? Please help. Thanks in advance.
 
digest said:
Quick question guys...if you are still working on couple of research projects (data collection stage, almost done), is there any place to include it in MyERAS application?? Please help. Thanks in advance.
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You can talk about it under the research section, where you list your mentor and discuss the project.
 
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There is no "Research Section" in MyERAS. There is "Publication" section though. It gives me 6 choices. When I choose the one with "Other than published" it requires "Publication Name". Is it the name of the journal? or Title?
 
I don't know name os the journal yet because my 2 research studies are at data collection stage only.
 
digest said:
There is no "Research Section" in MyERAS. There is "Publication" section though. It gives me 6 choices. When I choose the one with "Other than published" it requires "Publication Name". Is it the name of the journal? or Title?
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under "Experience" tab, you can choose research experience and talk about the project. You cannot put anything under publication unless it's at least submitted to a journal.
 
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Hello everyone. Guys could you please give your input on my scenario.
I have been offered to do a non accredited GI fellowship in a big tertiary care private hospital as the main gi specialist there has large volume and he is interested in teaching gi with all procedures just like fellowship ( actually better than fellowship). He told me to keep trying and apply to acgme accredited gi fellowship as well and if I get it in a year or two then i can leave him. I will be paid a fellows salary.

I am working as an academic hospitalist and trying to do some research as well.
Question is: is it worth doing this training? Will this be helpful to get into accredited program?
 
gi123 said:
Hello everyone. Guys could you please give your input on my scenario.
I have been offered to do a non accredited GI fellowship in a big tertiary care private hospital as the main gi specialist there has large volume and he is interested in teaching gi with all procedures just like fellowship ( actually better than fellowship). He told me to keep trying and apply to acgme accredited gi fellowship as well and if I get it in a year or two then i can leave him. I will be paid a fellows salary.

I am working as an academic hospitalist and trying to do some research as well.
Question is: is it worth doing this training? Will this be helpful to get into accredited program?
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No and no.

He's trying to get you to do the work of a PA while paying you less.

If he's willing to pay you your current salary as a hospitalist, you could consider it.

At that point the answers to your two questions above would be "maybe and no" in that order.
 
Guys is it really late to apply for gi fellowship if you are 40 year old?
 
gi123 said:
Guys is it really late to apply for gi fellowship if you are 40 year old?
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Do you want to be a Gastroenterologist?
If the answer is yes, then let all else fall by the wayside and give it a shot.

I took your question to mean: "Will my age be a hindrance in finding a GI fellowship position?"
It might, to some programs, but then again it may not be a problem. Would you want to be at a program that sweeps aside a perfectly good candidate because of age?

Where I am doing my residency, there is a Hematology/Oncology fellow in his mid forties. He has worked for many years as a generalist and more recently hospitalist.
I thought he was excellent as a hospitalist, and he is excellent now as a fellow. You could very well emulate that story, but you won't know if you don't apply.
 
Oh, if anyone else is experiencing AAMC login problems, I called them, they know about it and are working to fix it. In other words, it's not just you!
 
gi123 said:
Hello everyone. Guys could you please give your input on my scenario.
I have been offered to do a non accredited GI fellowship in a big tertiary care private hospital as the main gi specialist there has large volume and he is interested in teaching gi with all procedures just like fellowship ( actually better than fellowship). He told me to keep trying and apply to acgme accredited gi fellowship as well and if I get it in a year or two then i can leave him. I will be paid a fellows salary.

I am working as an academic hospitalist and trying to do some research as well.
Question is: is it worth doing this training? Will this be helpful to get into accredited program?
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To echo guton, this is also a legal mess. You really have no qualifications or business doing endoscopy. If you perf someone or cause a complication and get sued, you will stand alone on your own medical license without any protection from this "teacher." A lawyer would eat you alive. Would you do an appendectomy?

Run Away.
 
Can internist legally do endoscopies? I was reading online that AAPCE says primare care can do endoscopies provided they have got training from someone who is proficient. To me it seemed its not illegal at least . Any comments guys?
Are there jobs out there ( even in small towns) where u can do IM and endoscopes.
 
gi123 said:
Can internist legally do endoscopies? I was reading online that AAPCE says primare care can do endoscopies provided they have got training from someone who is proficient. To me it seemed its not illegal at least . Any comments guys?
Are there jobs out there ( even in small towns) where u can do IM and endoscopes.
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It is not illegal. My license says I can practice surgery if I want to, does not mean I am going to go start doing lap choles on the weekend.
 
Anyone has idea about the cost of EGD and colonoscopy equipments?
 
gi123 said:
Anyone has idea about the cost of EGD and colonoscopy equipments?
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Please stop. You are clearly in way over your head.

If you want to be an endoscopist, do an ACGME fellowship.
 
Thank you . I appreciate your time.
 
johnsmith130077 said:
guys , how competitive is GI this year?
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Why is the GI thread the worst one?

What sort of reasonable answer to this question are you expecting? The season has not even opened yet.

GI is always super competitive, plan on it being very competitive as always.
 
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Bingo.

Anyone else just about done with ERAS?

I'm just waiting on letters of rec at this point (I know, a bit last minute) but they should be in by the 15th.
Also, I've put my submitted case reports to ACG under "publication/abstract other" but made it very clear that it's submitted to the ACG conference/AJG Supplement for October...I just didn't see how I could list a case report under research experience...I hope I did the right thing, I don't at all want to seem disingenuous to any programs.
 
Research experience refers to a research project for which you had a question and hypothesis. Case reports...should be listed as publications. I think...
 
ROBINHO said:
Research experience refers to a research project for which you had a question and hypothesis. Case reports...should be listed as publications. I think...
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Figured that was the case. Thank you. :)
 
Couple of days before apps go out, only a couple of LOR uploaded...hoping they roll in tomorrow :)
Good luck to everyone!
 
My PD LOR, has not been uploaded yet
 
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My PD LOR, has not been uploaded yet
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That's the ONLY one that's up for me. Chief of Medicine, Chief of Gastro, and Chief of Hep...nada so far. Looks like I'm sending initial apps out with only 1 LOR.
We can always go back and add more yes? They haven't changed that for this year?
 
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That's the ONLY one that's up for me. Chief of Medicine, Chief of Gastro, and Chief of Hep...nada so far. Looks like I'm sending initial apps out with only 1 LOR.
We can always go back and add more yes? They haven't changed that for this year?
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My Ptigram coordinator said she will of it today. Waiting on 1 more attending to upload...!!! Is it ok to apply in couple days?
 
same here, waiting for chief GI LOR, not sure should wait or not?
 
I'm in the same boat as a lot of you guys. I'm waiting on one last LOR from the subspecialty attending (the others are from program director or IM physicians). If I submit my apps today and assign that last LOR when it comes in this weekend, will all the programs be aware that there's a new extra document to download? Or I am better off waiting until Monday?
 
i am also waiting on one letter. I am contemplating whether its a good idea to just wait until I have all 4, or whether to submit what I have now, and then add that letter when its available. Problem is: its a critical letter, and arguably a very important one. I would like to see what fellas here think about going ahead with three only and then adding a fourth. I realize the programs just opened, and I wonder if there is any value of an uber-early application.
 
I went ahead and applied, with the thought process of: I'd rather be on the program's list of applicants with an incomplete application (only needing to hit "refresh" on the application to get the LOR that are coming in) as opposed to being left off the list entirely by not submitting while waiting for a LOR. If it's a rolling app process, it's a disadvantage to submit the application later.

Also, you CAN backtrack and submit up to 4 LOR to hospitals, BUT you cannot "unsubmit" letters... as the Knight said to Indy: Choose wisely!
 
and now...it's time to wear out left click pad on my laptop hitting "refresh"

I'd say let the insanity begin, but it began long ago :D
 
I guess you are right. I will apply tomorrow. I hope there is a way to know whether programs downloaded the "added" letters after we apply.
 
I'm not sure if ADTS lets you know...I think it'll say "not yet retrieved" until they actually DO download it.
I spoke to a Program Coordinator today who stated that she appreciates an email update when candidates post new LOR.
 
Good to know. thanks for the information.
 
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Did anyone receive a generic email from UCSF asking to choose between research and clinical tracks and asking for more info ??
 
any idea when ACG notify accepted abstracts? had five submitted (2 case reports and 3 studies), hate to keep them as submitted in CAF
 
milktuth said:
How is GI competitiveness this year as compare to last year?
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Same as last year and the year before that...it's very competitive.
This question really has no answer, unless you have access to every applicant's credentials this year and last year, and some objective way to compare the two groups.
 
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