Official 2014-2015 Nephrology Fellowship Application Cycle

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I recommend all nephrology applicants to go through last year's thread before applying this year. Don't blindly apply before considering future prospects in this field. good luck !
 
Me too
As an attending can say nothing much have changed in the field over the last year
Will try not to post too much as I would have to write the same things again
In our field what is in high demand are PAs, NPs and dialysis nurses no doctors; we have many.
Good luck
 
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nephappl said:
Me too
As an attending can say nothing much have changed in the field over the last year
Will try not to post too much as I would have to write the same things again
In our field what is in high demand are PAs, NPs and dialysis nurses no doctors; we have many.
Good luck
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More important is that this is a specialty where you will work your behind off all the while making not much more, if more at at than hospitalists.
If you calculate pay divided by number of days / hours worked including night calls compared to a hospitalist, you are getting paid significantly less.
Night call can be rough. Covering on weekends when you go to multiple hospitals and cover hundreds of HD patients can be brutal.
Good jobs are few and far between. Even the few jobs out there, buyer beware. Often times many of the available jobs are readily available is because they will work you like a slave and you will have no life.

However, if nephrology is what you really, really want to do.....go for it....just know what you are getting into. Too many people recently have gone into this field and then at the end of fellowship say, "I had no idea.....if I had only known before investing 2 years of my life into this fellowship."
 
I think nephrology organizations/programs need to urgently intervene and cut down number of fellowship positions by at least 50 %
This way fellows will find at least some job when they graduate. What's the point of creating so many Nephrologists every year (>400 per year) when there are handful of decent jobs?
 
Anyone know what's a good/safe number of programs to apply to for a J1 Visa Candidate ...
 
I see you are new here; before posting questions is a good practice to read the past 2 years forums and for sure your question would be answered.
Last year almost 40% of positions went unfilled as residents do not want to spend 2-3 more years of training if they do not find a decent job after finishing.
My guess is 1 program is a safe number, programs will go unfilled this year but still need labor so you will get the spot no matter what. You might not find a good job after that specially if you are a J1 visa holder but that is your problem.
 
nephappl said:
I see you are new here; before posting questions is a good practice to read the past 2 years forums and for sure your question would be answered.
Last year almost 40% of positions went unfilled as residents do not want to spend 2-3 more years of training if they do not find a decent job after finishing.
My guess is 1 program is a safe number, programs will go unfilled this year but still need labor so you will get the spot no matter what. You might not find a good job after that specially if you are a J1 visa holder but that is your problem.
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Okay, okay, we get it, you don't like Nephrology. I'm sorry you and others you know don't like your jobs (which I suspect may be a $$$$ issue based on your previous rants), but many people do like Nephrology, a lot. I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish by repeatedly putting this field down in your posts, especially lying and misrepresenting the actual realities. If you don't like your job, hopefully you can find something else that you like more.

For current applicants, I somewhat recently went through this process and am happy to answer any questions. Feel free to PM me.
 
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You are right I should not waste my time here anymore.
 
LonelyTylenol said:
Okay, okay, we get it, you don't like Nephrology. I'm sorry you and others you know don't like your jobs (which I suspect may be a $$$$ issue based on your previous rants), but many people do like Nephrology, a lot. I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish by repeatedly putting this field down in your posts, especially lying and misrepresenting the actual realities. If you don't like your job, hopefully you can find something else that you like more.

For current applicants, I somewhat recently went through this process and am happy to answer any questions. Feel free to PM me.
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I have no idea what you are saying LonelyTylenol. The nephrology job market is horrid. When you have a nephrology attending, nephappl, attempting to shed light on the truth, it is best to listen and not talk.
 
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LonelyTylenol said:
Okay, okay, we get it, you don't like Nephrology. I'm sorry you and others you know don't like your jobs (which I suspect may be a $$$$ issue based on your previous rants), but many people do like Nephrology, a lot. I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish by repeatedly putting this field down in your posts, especially lying and misrepresenting the actual realities. If you don't like your job, hopefully you can find something else that you like more.

For current applicants, I somewhat recently went through this process and am happy to answer any questions. Feel free to PM me.
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Sorry, but nephapp is not "lying and misrepresenting the actual realities." If anything, the faculty in academia will blatantly distort the truth when you are interviewing there.
Nephapp is not trying to sell a fellowship program and promising the world, he is speaking from experience. I guarantee you there are applicants who have benefited from his insight and candid truthfulness. Everything isn't all rainbows and unicorns in real life. The mantra of "just do what you love" only goes so far in reality, away from the closed door world of academia.
 
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Sorry, but nephapp is not "lying and misrepresenting the actual realities." If anything, the faculty in academia will blatantly distort the truth when you are interviewing there.
Nephapp is not trying to sell a fellowship program and promising the world, he is speaking from experience. I guarantee you there are applicants who have benefited from his insight and candid truthfulness. Everything isn't all rainbows and unicorns in real life. The mantra of "just do what you love" only goes so far in reality, away from the closed door world of academia.
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No.

If "speaking from experience" means celebrating and basically repeatedly laughing at unfortunate match statistics and the observation that yes, Nephrology appears to be a less popular specialty than others, then sure I guess you are correct. Please. Someone point out to us where exactly "40%" of all Nephrology spots went unfilled, or that 10% of people who matched have already resigned (and as if someone would even have a way to prove this). Give me a break.

That person's "advice" on an anonymous message board does very little to help future applicants or anyone really. The world isn't all doom and gloom, people. Life doesn't have to be all that bad.
 
@enac
Apply to as many programs as you plan to interview. You will get interviews from most of the programs you apply. To my knowledge J1 visa shouldn't be a problem

@LoneLy

10 % statistics is pretty accurate number. If you see match statistics, around 171 seats went unfilled. These seats were filled via scramble by unhappy hospitalists or candidates who didn't match into competitive fellowships like GI or PCCM. Some of these unhappy hospitalists found better job in the meantime and some of the unmatched GI/ PCCM candidates decided to reapply again this year and hence they didn't join
 
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thanks pH74...

Any Canadians out there??- I have been having trouble getting an answer as to if the government will supply a letter of need since it's not considered "in need", I know this was an issue last year as well- I contacted them to see if the situation changed for this year and they said although they haven't made a final decision it is unlikely.

Anyone know a way around this?? Aside from doing a waiver and then applying.

I understand the job market but for me there's no other choice...for better or worse I LOVE nephrology- even if i work as a hospitalist and do research/ teaching on the side because I can't get a nephro job i'll be content. I want the training and I want the option to find a job in nephro (even if it's not going to happen right out of fellowship). The Kidneys make me happy :) and doing anything else is not an option.
 
pH74 said:
10 % statistics is pretty accurate number. If you see match statistics, around 171 seats went unfilled. These seats were filled via scramble by unhappy hospitalists or candidates who didn't match into competitive fellowships like GI or PCCM. Some of these unhappy hospitalists found better job in the meantime and some of the unmatched GI/ PCCM candidates decided to reapply again this year and hence they didn't join
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No, it isn't. And how would you even attempt to prove this, other than hearsay?

If someone didn't match into say... Pulm/CC or GI and instead signed on for a Nephrology spot, that is STILL a contract. They can't then suddenly back out of a contract and re-enter a match... at least the way I understand it, once you're bound by a contract for ANY subspecialty, if you don't honor it, you're basically banned from re-entering in any specialty. Hospitalists... that is a different story. I guess the stakes wouldn't be the same for them if they found a better hospitalist gig. But I doubt that hospitalists were clamoring for open Nephrology spots in the first place.
 
Most of the open Nephrology spot were filled by hospitalists . Everyone who applied last year to nephrology matched- there were zero unmatched candidates. How do you think did they fill 171 unmatched positions?
 
pH74 said:
Everyone who applied last year to nephrology matched- there were zero unmatched candidates.
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No. There were 17 unmatched candidates.

pH74 said:
How do you think did they fill 171 unmatched positions?
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No. There were 97 unmatched positions.

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uplo...gram-NRMP-Results-and-Data-SMS-2014-Final.pdf

Again, it doesn't change the overall fact that there were fewer applicants than spots in 2013, but the above numbers are the correct ones if you're going to keep quoting them.
 
LonelyTylenol said:
No. There were 17 unmatched candidates.
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Not that it's that big of a difference, but there were only 13 unmatched candidates. 4 others applied multiple fellowships and matched one other than nephrology. (See Table 5)

That puts nephrology at a 96% match rate, higher than every other IM specialty, but not quite 100%. ID is almost as high at 95.3%.
 
me too, penn state was fast!
 
co-resident invited to Vandy and UT San Antonio
 
enac said:
thanks pH74...

Any Canadians out there??- I have been having trouble getting an answer as to if the government will supply a letter of need since it's not considered "in need", I know this was an issue last year as well- I contacted them to see if the situation changed for this year and they said although they haven't made a final decision it is unlikely.

Anyone know a way around this?? Aside from doing a waiver and then applying.

I understand the job market but for me there's no other choice...for better or worse I LOVE nephrology- even if i work as a hospitalist and do research/ teaching on the side because I can't get a nephro job i'll be content. I want the training and I want the option to find a job in nephro (even if it's not going to happen right out of fellowship). The Kidneys make me happy :) and doing anything else is not an option.
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You're not applying in the Canadian match? You could do the fellowship in Canada, and then come back. I'm on the J1 as well, so that is a possibility you can look into.
 
sunny123 said:
You're not applying in the Canadian match? You could do the fellowship in Canada, and then come back. I'm on the J1 as well, so that is a possibility you can look into.
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Yeah I am applying to Carms - but idk what the chances of matching in canada is...or how competitive nephrology is there- i'm looking for the worst case situation.
 
enac said:
Yeah I am applying to Carms - but idk what the chances of matching in canada is...or how competitive nephrology is there- i'm looking for the worst case situation.
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Yeah, I just spent some time looking at their stats from last year, and I can't figure out the chances of going back either. Crossing all fingers.
 
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Yeah, I just spent some time looking at their stats from last year, and I can't figure out the chances of going back either. Crossing all fingers.
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can you work in Canada after doing Nephrology fellowship in US?
 
Yeah you can either do pathway 4 or write Canadian board exam... thats why they wont support it they want you to go back and work in General medicine
 
Yes you can practice in Canada in particular if you find a job over there in a desirable location. Overall there is a growing shortage of jobs for specialist up there. Someone from Canada can add to this.
It seems situation there is not different from here.
A recent post from The Toronto Star, a well known newspaper from Ontario

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...d_specialist_doctors_in_canada_find_jobs.html

Hope won't get angry responses again. I am minimizing my posts this year to avoid battles not worth of fighting
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So far 5 IVs---> Emory, Univ of louisville, Ohio state Univ, UCLA, and Staten Island NY

1 rejection- Methodist -Dallas

Unsure?--UPMC-->a generic email saying we are reviewing your application so wait for 2 weeks. since bludragon got an IV from UPMC, I would think What I got was a rejection, in a nice way:)
 
Also unsure regarding UPMC - i received same email stating application received and wait 2 weeks.
 
Anyone had Interview invites today?? seems like the invites have slowed down tremendously this week. Just one for me this week so far.
 
No IV, just an ERAS e-mail from U of Minnesota about the availability of their research track.
 
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Just got one from UT southwestern at Dallas
 
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Have you guys seen on ERAS (ADTS) part if the application has been downloaded or not before receiving these interviews?
 
Almost all of the programs I had applied have downloaded the application and few of them had sent out the invites.
 
@ashhospitalist - in ADTS does that mean your programs applied to show a purple/grey color vs. black text with black text accordingly to when you uploaded application
 
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@ashhospitalist - in ADTS does that mean your programs applied to show a purple/grey color vs. black text with black text accordingly to when you uploaded application
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As ascertained by several posters, it appears as if those colors are not relevant to receiving invites/knowing if your application has been downloaded.
 
I agree with Leo. The colors doesn't matter, If it is downloaded, the date of the download is visible on ADTS and If it is not, Its says 'not yet retrieved' beside the concerned program.
 
IV Invites today from Univ. of michigan and Kaiser Permanente, L.A :)
 
upenn, kaiser permantente, & lennox hill LIJ yesterday
 
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