For those who went through this already, how many interview offers did you get to before you started canceling the least desirable ones?
I'm going to summon @MacDonaldTriad to drop some words of wisdom regarding those with extraneous invites and how to play the game with grace.For those who went through this already, how many interview offers did you get to before you started canceling the least desirable ones?
For those who went through this already, how many interview offers did you get to before you started canceling the least desirable ones?
I'm going to summon @MacDonaldTriad to drop some words of wisdom regarding those with extraneous invites and how to play the game with grace.
I attended a couple of interviews in early October that, had I known how many more invites I would soon receive, I would have canceled, but it was within the 2 weeks.
I scheduled and subsequently canceled maybe 4 other interviews. I scheduled them for December and January (I got all invites by mid October) so I was able to drop them with well more than 2 weeks notice.
I also moved around a couple of interviews - switched some dates - to make for easier travel. There was one I scheduled, then rescheduled, and then canceled. I felt kind of bad about that one - made the coordinator work hard for nothing. I also moved several other interviews to more convenient dates.
I ended up doing 12 interviews; with perfect hindsight, I would have been fine with only 8. But that is the hitch - you have to schedule them as they come in, because you never know when they will quit coming in.
I submitted on 9/15 and have only gotten 3 interviews out of 24 programs. 240 Step 1, above average clerkship grades w/Honors in psychiatry, no red flags in application. However, my Dean's Letter was only uploaded a couple days ago. I think that many programs won't look at you until they can see your Dean's Letter. Not even my own university sent an interview invite until my Dean's Letter was in.
Thanks for the reply. I have a few more questions for you.
Does it get easier to reschedule interviews deeper into the season? For me right now, it seems like most of the programs I have interviews with have all or most of the dates full already.
How crucial is it to attend the pre-interview dinners with the residents? I've been trying to schedule interviews so I can attend them all, but it's making grouping geographical interviews difficult since there would be overlap.
How much did your rankings change from pre-interview to after interview season ended?
You spread out the 24 in terms of competitiveness? Rule of 1/3s?I submitted on 9/15 and have only gotten 3 interviews out of 24 programs. 240 Step 1, above average clerkship grades w/Honors in psychiatry, no red flags in application. However, my Dean's Letter was only uploaded a couple days ago. I think that many programs won't look at you until they can see your Dean's Letter. Not even my own university sent an interview invite until my Dean's Letter was in.
I submitted on 9/15 and have only gotten 3 interviews out of 24 programs. 240 Step 1, above average clerkship grades w/Honors in psychiatry, no red flags in application. However, my Dean's Letter was only uploaded a couple days ago. I think that many programs won't look at you until they can see your Dean's Letter. Not even my own university sent an interview invite until my Dean's Letter was in.
You spread out the 24 in terms of competitiveness? Rule of 1/3s?
Hi!
I'm an FMG and am new to SDN. I realize this is sort of unrelated to most of the previous posts, but I was wondering if anyone knows about stats for FMGs. I applied on 9/17 and got a couple of rejections since then. Received my first call yesterday (10/2) from Southern Illinois University. (I haven't added it to the list yet because I wasn't sure if the list was just for AMGs)
Any insight/input/advice would be welcome!
Thanks!
Ah... dang I should have done this. My program list ended up being top heavy but we'll see what happens!You spread out the 24 in terms of competitiveness? Rule of 1/3s?
I'm going to summon @MacDonaldTriad to drop some words of wisdom regarding those with extraneous invites and how to play the game with grace.
Thanks for this! I'll trial not to Beetlejuice you too often!Triad… Triad…Triad… Oh Darn, I was just in the middle of a good tub soak. Pin Head was right; this rule of saying my name 3x does suck.
Dharma, we are cool, just ask and I’m here. Good luck in all of this.
To answer your question, we have a few dozen applicants we want to meet. We (we being probably the universe of programs) have a little more than a few dozen that we probably will not be interested in, and we have a few hundred that we have a hard time saying yes or no before the first few dozen fish or cut bait. If you are in the driver’s seat and want to clog the system, you can, but it takes a few weeks for the less competitive applicants to book fights, hotels, and find house or dog sitters to cover things, so please be nice. The discussions about our number of training positions excluding IMGs is still about 50/50% so don’t spread the fear yet. Just understand that the system is as good as it can be and that is fairly imperfect so play nice. None of us hold grudges for being turned down for interviews. Interviews are fun, but after a few thousand of them, we don’t have the energy to remember who decided not to meet us let alone which of the over 100 we do interview didn’t match with us. Just be honest and don’t hold reservations you will not use.
We should work with some on line hotel/flight web site and charge people for any cancelations under 30 days. That would get people matched.
Correct. Now that programs have the Dean's Letter, they all have a lot of applications to go through. I imagine more invites will trickle out next week and many more the week after.
Also, it does not usually matter when you interview. At least at our program, where you are ranked is based on your interview and application. I have seen some applicants on our very last interview day, last interview at the end of the day at the end of the entire season, successfully match. Granted each program is different, but when you interview should not make a big difference at most places.
The other downside is that it makes it much harder to search on program names for reviews, etc., since so many posts have these full lists of names, but we'll let the People decide.Hey all, this way of doing it is extremely draconian, clunky, impractical, and makes the discussion replies impossible to read.
Can we put the working list into a Google Doc or something with a link in the OP?
Also, Stanford 10/2 via ERAS/e-mail
With all the crazy overapplying these days, do you think they should switch to some sort of greek rush type of system where everyone submits at the same time. The programs review and all make interview offers by x date. Then you can pick x many offers and schedule from there. I applied at ~20 programs which was about double the normal number of programs to apply to in psychiatry for an AMG back in my day.
So is it a bad sign if we don't receive an invite when the first round of invites go out?
No--the normal lag between application and interview is just amplified by the sheer volume of applications (and mass hysteria) that now accompanies the opening of ERAS every year. You all just have ONE application to worry about. Programs have HUNDREDS. The first 20 or 30 invites are easy no-brainers. Sifting for the next 40-50 takes time. (And we do have other jobs, too...)Added: UCLA-SFV...only third interview. it feels like interviews are coming very slowly this year.
Has anyone gotten a sense that maybe *more people* are applying to psychiatry this year? My school's graduating classes usually have 3-4 going into psychiatry, and this year we have 9.
Obviously, one school is a small sample size, but still.
No--the normal lag between application and interview is just amplified by the sheer volume of applications (and mass hysteria) that now accompanies the opening of ERAS every year. You all just have ONE application to worry about. Programs have HUNDREDS. The first 20 or 30 invites are easy no-brainers. Sifting for the next 40-50 takes time. (And we do have other jobs, too...)