*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2012-2013*~*~*~*

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Hi,
1. I've been helping with my family's business to help stabilize family's income through the business for the past year. I don't get paychecks because what the business brings in is our family income. What experience type would this go under? Other as unpaid employment? Volunteer?

2. Also, what is considered artistic endeavor?

Thank you in advance!
1. That's still considered employment in my mind
2. Artistic endeavors involve performing or sharing your talent with the public. It could be a wide range of things--music, writing, art, whatever. These same types of activities would be listed as a hobby if you didn't perform them publicly.
 
Hi,
I've been helping with my family's business to help stabilize family's income through the business for the past year. I don't get paychecks because what the business brings in is our family income. What experience type would this go under?
1. That's still considered employment in my mind
I agree. You may not have gotten a paycheck, but you were probably compensated with a place to live, meals, possibly tuition assistance, and assurance of your family's well-being. I would not list the activity as "Volunteer."
 
I agree. You may not have gotten a paycheck, but you were probably compensated with a place to live, meals, possibly tuition assistance, and assurance of your family's well-being. I would not list the activity as "Volunteer."

Thank you Sector and Cat. So even if the Experience Type says "Paid Employment - not military" I did not receive an official paycheck, it would be okay to list.
 
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I'm having trouble with grouping my activities. I was a mentor/tutor for three separate groups. How do I enter them if they had different start and end dates? Do I put the contact info for each one in the activity description? Thanks!
 
OK I've submitted..thanks so much for all your help cat and all.

psssssst...catalystik...mind taking a look at my school list in WAMC forum? I'll post some pictures of cats if you do <3
 
I'm having trouble with grouping my activities. I was a mentor/tutor for three separate groups. How do I enter them if they had different start and end dates? Do I put the contact info for each one in the activity description?
Use the first and last dates that you did any Teaching/Tutoring (a category which includes mentoring). Name the activity something that is inclusive of all the activities and suggests that they weren't continuous during the time span given (if this was the case), like, "Various Tutoring and Mentoring Involvement." Don't fill in the hours per week in the header. Then in the description put beginning and end dates for each, with either total hours or hours per week, a contact, then describe/add commentary.
 
A couple of questions..I'm working on my TMDSAS right now and AMCAS later but figure this will apply to both anyways.

1. I was in a clinical rotation program my junior year of high school (Fall 2006-Spring 2007) where I spent ~50 hours in a nursing home working towards my CNA (certified nurse assistant) certification, which was a performance and written based exam I passed at the end of the year. I didn't work as a CNA though. I don't really have a valid reason for not working as a CNA other than I didn't really enjoy being in a nursing home and what that work entailed (I dealt with it for the other rotations) so should I list it? I also spent 30 hours each in 3 different rotations (ED, CCU, cardiology). My involvement in each of these rotations varied. Should I list all of this under clinical experience? As one activity? Or was this too long ago? I also talked about one of my experiences in the ED in my PS.

2. One of the organizations I was in facilitated the shadowing of a variety of physicians...I spent 20 hours/month on 3 different rotations but I shadowed 5 different physicians for 4 hours each...should each of these be individual or what? Right now I have one rotation listed as: Pediatric Shadowing Rotation, and in the description I just listed 4 hours with specialty x, 4 hours with specialty y....etc. Do I need to describe more than that (like what I learned from each one) or is the listing enough? I have around 80 hours and 4-5 entries of shadowing but a bit more than half of it was in small intervals like I mentioned.

Thanks for any help! 👍
 
A couple of questions..I'm working on my TMDSAS right now and AMCAS later but figure this will apply to both anyways.

1. I was in a clinical rotation program my junior year of high school (Fall 2006-Spring 2007) where I spent ~50 hours in a nursing home working towards my CNA (certified nurse assistant) certification, which was a performance and written based exam I passed at the end of the year. I didn't work as a CNA though. I don't really have a valid reason for not working as a CNA other than I didn't really enjoy being in a nursing home and what that work entailed (I dealt with it for the other rotations) so should I list it? I also spent 30 hours each in 3 different rotations (ED, CCU, cardiology). My involvement in each of these rotations varied. Should I list all of this under clinical experience? As one activity? Or was this too long ago? I also talked about one of my experiences in the ED in my PS.

2. One of the organizations I was in facilitated the shadowing of a variety of physicians...I spent 20 hours/month on 3 different rotations but I shadowed 5 different physicians for 4 hours each...should each of these be individual or what? Right now I have one rotation listed as: Pediatric Shadowing Rotation, and in the description I just listed 4 hours with specialty x, 4 hours with specialty y....etc. Do I need to describe more than that (like what I learned from each one) or is the listing enough? I have around 80 hours and 4-5 entries of shadowing but a bit more than half of it was in small intervals like I mentioned.
I've never seen the TMDSAS application or read its directions, so my comments will apply to AMCAS only:

1) HS activites don't count for much. You're expected to have more recent clinical experience since you've gained a more mature perspective. When there is something from the HS years you want to share, it's better to refer to it in the PS as part of your path to medicine. Or to tack mention of it onto a more recent activity where you maybe use the skills learned during a volunteer experience. If you have zero additional clinical experience, then I'd say go ahead and list it on its own under Other and discuss the clinical experience gained in each venue, focusing on the patient interaction (hoping adcomms don't notice how old the dates are).

2) a) All the shadowing is usually listed in one space (unless one of them was far more intense and impactful and you have a lot to say) but the title you give it should be inclusive of everything in the space, eg, "Pediatric, Internal Medicine, and Surgery Shadowing." Description and reflection are not needed. Since your shadowing was done under an umbrella organization, you can use that for a contact rather than providing it for each doc (which saves space). For each specialty, you might mention the name of one doc only and add, "and four other Pediatricians on staff at XXX Hospital: a cardiologist, pulmonologist, neonatologist, ...."

b) Alternatively, if you have the space to devote to three listings, one for each category of doc, you can do that and provide more description and maybe something interesting you saw that was impactful.

At the end of the space (or each space) give a grand total of shadowing hours.

This represents two ways of organizing the information, but there are other possibilities, too. There is no one correct way to do it. Your choice may depend on the space you have to devote and what you'd like to reflect on, if anything.

Sector9 has experience with TMDSAS and may comment further.
 
Hi Cat:

I was referred to some physicians in a hospital through a contact at my job in order to shadow some procedures in a different country (for 2 full days). I can't find the contact information of the doctors I observed. Whom might I list as the contact? Would the contact information for the department be sufficient? I worry about listing too little information and having the entry look suspect to admissions committees. Please advise.
 
I was referred to some physicians in a hospital through a contact at my job in order to shadow some procedures in a different country (for 2 full days). I can't find the contact information of the doctors I observed. Whom might I list as the contact? Would the contact information for the department be sufficient? I worry about listing too little information and having the entry look suspect to admissions committees. Please advise.
Why not list the person at work who referred you and can attest to your involvement? Include the names of the docs, specialties, and hospital where you shadowed, if you can, to lend as much legitimacy as is possible.

Also, label the activity as International Shadowing to distinguish it from your US shadowing.
 
1. List a long term volunteering stint in detail....or group it together with 2-3 seasonal and shorter term volunteering stints?

2. List something totally spontaneous or list another academic activity?

3. List musical involvement as most meaningful if I use it to open my personal statement or keep research, clinical work, and non-medical volunteering as my 3 most important. Will it be a red flag to talk about the importance of music in my personal statement and not have it listed as a most meaningful activity?

4. I've held jobs since the age of 14 and have worked throughout the entirety of my undergraduate career. I mention some of these jobs as activities (CNA, tutoring)...is it worth it to list them starting with when I began working at age 14 and list them all chronologically? Some were obviously more important than others and were listed as activities by themselves, others were either seasonal employment or just miscellaneous positions.

Thanks!
 
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I shadowed a pediatrician my Junior Year of high school and it confirmed my decision to become one. I know they generally don't like students saying they have decided upon a specialty so should I put this as one of my work/activities or is it too old? Also, should I write a description saying why it made an impact on me or just write the total hours?
 
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1. List a long term volunteering stint in detail....or group it together with 2-3 seasonal and shorter term volunteering stints?

2. List something totally spontaneous or list another academic activity?

3. a) List musical involvement as most meaningful if I use it to open my personal statement or keep research, clinical work, and non-medical volunteering as my 3 most important. b) Will it be a red flag to talk about the importance of music in my personal statement and not have it listed as a most meaningful activity?

4. I've held jobs since the age of 14 and have worked throughout the entirety of my undergraduate career. I mention some of these jobs as activities (CNA, tutoring)...is it worth it to list them starting with when I began working at age 14 and list them all chronologically? Some were obviously more important than others and were listed as activities by themselves, others were either seasonal employment or just miscellaneous positions.
1) it depends on the spaces you have left and how much you have to say about each. Separating out the longer-term activity seems like a good idea, if you can manage it.

2) If one is unique, unusual, or might set you apart from a sea of look-alike applicants, maybe pick that one.

3) a) List music if it meant more to you than one of the other choices.
b) No.

4) Don't bother listing any job from before HS graduation. I'd list the rest in reverse chronology, with the most recent in the header where you grouped them under "Short-Term Jobs." CNA might be worth listing on its own if it occurred during the college years, otherwise, you can refer to it in the PS if it was part of your path to medicine.
 
I shadowed a pediatrician my Junior Year of high school and it confirmed my decision to become one. I know they generally don't like students saying they have decided upon a specialty so should I put this as one of my work/activities or is it too old? Also, should I write a description saying why it made an impact on me or just write the total hours?
It's pretty old to list in the activities section on its own. But you might tack it onto the end of your other formal shadowing entry. I think it would be great as part of the PS, including why it was meaningful to you and how it set you off to explore medicine as a career further. Much as I am predisposed to hearing anyone say that only Pediatrics could make them happy (and it is a specialty with the most-satisfied docs, according to a published study), it's far better to appear open-minded and welcoming of experiences with other specialties (since you'll be obliged to try out many of them in med school). And adcomms also know about the study showing that 80% change their minds before the residency match.
 
Hi, I have worked in an early intervention clinic for toddlers with special needs for about 3 years. I work directly with the kids and their therapists (PT, OT and speech) learning strategies and enforcing them with the kids. Would this be considered clinical experience? Thanks!
 
Hi, I have worked in an early intervention clinic for toddlers with special needs for about 3 years. I work directly with the kids and their therapists (PT, OT and speech) learning strategies and enforcing them with the kids. Would this be considered clinical experience?
If your interaction with the kids is therapeutically beneficial, then it is clinical. If, OTOH, you have tons of experience with sick people, but no nonmedical community service, you could probably spin it in that direction instead, if you prefer.
 
Should we stick with using bullets or narrative throughout each activity description? Or is it appropriate to use bullets for one activity and narrative for another?
 
1) I wrote a competitive grant proposal in its entirety and was awarded the full amount to conduct my research. I am working with a professor on it, but it is branching off of research I did at a separate internship last summer, and I am completely in charge and dictate the direction of the project, as my prof doesn't have much experience in this particular area. Do I list something like this under research/lab, leadership, or as an award? I have plenty of research experience, and a competitive scholarship that only 2 students receive that has amounted to $100K over my four years to place under awards, but not much leadership. Could I place this under leadership, or is that too much of a stretch?

2) I presented my research at a statewide science event my university holds, as well as a research symposium for just students from my school. Should I put this/these under presentations?

3) I was a student instructor for a freshman intro course that every incoming freshman has to take. I got 3 credit hours for this, but it was far more than simply being a TA as I led several classes did many responsibilities beyond a basic TA, including creating quizzes and assignments, as well as advising etc. Can I include this as an activity, despite it being considered a class?
 
1) I wrote a competitive grant proposal in its entirety and was awarded the full amount to conduct my research. I am working with a professor on it, but it is branching off of research I did at a separate internship last summer, and I am completely in charge and dictate the direction of the project, as my prof doesn't have much experience in this particular area.
a) Do I list something like this under research/lab, leadership, or as an award?
b) I have plenty of research experience, and a competitive scholarship that only 2 students receive that has amounted to $100K over my four years to place under awards, but not much leadership. Could I place this under leadership, or is that too much of a stretch?

2) I presented my research at a statewide science event my university holds, as well as a research symposium for just students from my school. Should I put this/these under presentations?

3) I was a student instructor for a freshman intro course that every incoming freshman has to take. I got 3 credit hours for this, but it was far more than simply being a TA as I led several classes did many responsibilities beyond a basic TA, including creating quizzes and assignments, as well as advising etc. Can I include this as an activity, despite it being considered a class?
1a) You could list it in either Research or Awards, depending on where you have the room.
1b) "Leadership" implies "Peer Leadership" and I don't see that you'd be managing others to get your project accomplished (like undergrad research assistants). You will, however, appeal to research-oriented schools due to taking a lead creative position with the project, as they like to see that type of initiative. Writing one's own grant proposal and getting funded is a similar positive.

2) I would list the state-wide science event in the header of a Posters/Presentations space. Mention the campus presentation at the end of the same space, if you like. One lists the most prestigious presentation of the same data. Lesser venues are not listed on their own, and frankly a campus research symposium isn't looked at as very competitive. If the campus presentation had involved a different project, I'd suggest mentioning it in the same space as the associated Research.

3) Yes. Even though the experience was curricular and not an EC, you can discuss the experience of having taught under Teaching or under Other. I'd suggest using the word "Curricular" or somesuch, in the title you give the activity.
 
One last thing.

Say I have one scholarship that I am particularly proud of, however I want to show all of my awards/scholarships but don't really have any more room. What would be the best thing to do here?
 
1a) You could list it in either Research or Awards, depending on where you have the room.
1b) "Leadership" implies "Peer Leadership" and I don't see that you'd be managing others to get your project accomplished (like undergrad research assistants). You will, however, appeal to research-oriented schools due to taking a lead creative position with the project, as they like to see that type of initiative. Writing one's own grant proposal and getting funded is a similar positive.

2) I would list the state-wide science event in the header of a Posters/Presentations space. Mention the campus presentation at the end of the same space, if you like. One lists the most prestigious presentation of the same data. Lesser venues are not listed on their own, and frankly a campus research symposium isn't looked at as very competitive. If the campus presentation had involved a different project, I'd suggest mentioning it in the same space as the associated Research.

3) Yes. Even though the experience was curricular and not an EC, you can discuss the experience of having taught under Teaching or under Other. I'd suggest using the word "Curricular" or somesuch, in the title you give the activity.

Thanks!

One other question. I was part of a group of 3 students that founded a Triathlon club at my university, then was in charge of creating and aiding all members in their workouts, particularly weight training. However, the club only lasted about a year as we were unable to maintain a high enough member number. I did this from my freshman through sophmore year, which was a couple years ago. Is it a red flag to include this in my application? And if it's ok to include, I should be able to place this under leadership, correct?
 
Say I have one scholarship that I am particularly proud of, however I want to show all of my awards/scholarships but don't really have any more room. What would be the best thing to do here?
Some strategies to consider:

Omit deans list completely.
If any award/recognition is related to an otherwise-listed activity, you could move it to that same space.
You could make the Awards/Recognitions listing "Most Meaningful" and have lots more space.
You could list the one you're most proud of in the header and describe it in the space, then at the end have a one sentence summary of all the others.
You could omit any scholarship that isn't competitive and merit-based.
 
I was part of a group of 3 students that founded a Triathlon club at my university, then was in charge of creating and aiding all members in their workouts, particularly weight training. However, the club only lasted about a year as we were unable to maintain a high enough member number. I did this from my freshman through sophmore year, which was a couple years ago. Is it a red flag to include this in my application? And if it's ok to include, I should be able to place this under leadership, correct?
Yes, this would be leadership. One year of involvement is a decent amount of time, so you don't necessarily have to explain why you dropped your involvement. OTOH, it might be an interesting topic to discuss in a pertinent Secondary essay. That you had to cope with failure/stress/a particular challenge and your reflection on what you learned from it could be positives for your application.
 
Hi, is paid research considered research or paid employment?
While you could list paid research under Employment, you don't want it to be missed. Generally research is listed under Research whether paid, curriculum requirement like an internship, volunteer, or for class credit. It would be a good idea to give an indication that it was paid, perhaps via titling the experience something like, "Employment as a Research Associate in the Smith Lab."
 
Hello all, I had volunteered to tutor high school students through just over a year. I was only able to manage some 50 hours in total for one year. Is it OK to list this as "Average hours/week: 1"?
 
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So for the experience section, do I explain fully everything I did and take up the 700 characters or cut it down to like 400 and add in some stuff on what I learned and responsibilities and other stuff that I gained.
 
Hello all, I had volunteered to tutor high school students through just over a year. I was only able to manage some 50 hours in total for one year. Is it OK to list this as "Average hours/week: 1"?
Yes. If it had come out to less than an hour per week, you'd have just listed the total hours in the narrative and skipped filling in the header hours per week.
 
So for the experience section, do I explain fully everything I did and take up the 700 characters or cut it down to like 400 and add in some stuff on what I learned and responsibilities and other stuff that I gained.
Depending on the activity, one or the other approach can be used. Some activities really don't lend themselves to reflection. And if you find it hard to fill the 700 character space, don't fluff it up. Be succinct and quit when you've said the important things.
 
Yes. If it had come out to less than an hour per week, you'd have just listed the total hours in the narrative and skipped filling in the header hours per week.
Hi, thanks for your response catalystik, but would schools wonder about that 1 hours per week and consider it meagerly? should I drop the activity all together? i loved tutoring but couldn't put in the hours due to time constraints.
 
1 more question, where I volunteer, since I do it on a sunday I essentially get double the hours as I would volunteering on a weekday. The computer that tracks this lists the amount of hours I worked. So do I put that I average 4hours a week or 8hours a week (thats what the computer says).
 
I have a question in regards to listing my ECs in the AMCAS application. I have volunteered at two different hospitals over the past 3 and a half years with two different positions at each of those hospitals. Should I list each position in a different space? For example, at hospital 1 I worked in the ED and radiology department for a semester each; at hospital 2 I worked as a patient escort for a summer and as a surgery center volunteer for another summer.

im sure this kind of question has been brought up but I can't find anything with the search bar. 😕

Thanks
 
1. I won three separate annual international science fairs (Intel ISEF) with different variations of the same project. Should I list them all in one category or separately? I currently have them separate because each project focuses on a different thing, got a different award, and occurred in a different place and time.

2. My most meaningful experiences are the same as those addressed in my personal statement: my research job, my hospital volunteering, and my science fair experiences. I touch on different topics within the same experience in the work/activities and PS sections. For example, in the W/A section, I talked about my leadership position at my research job and how that experience transformed me in one way. But in the PS, for the same research job, I talked about collaboration and working together with people, and how that transformed me in another way. Basically, my PS shows how I overcame my disability (I'm deaf) by drawing on specific examples from my experiences and how I want to help others do the same, while my W/A most meaningful experiences show how I developed different aspects of myself like leadership, public speaking, so forth.

Is this a big no no - to use the same experiences in both W/A and PS? Should I NOT talk about the same experiences? It seems dishonest to do so - they really are meaningful, and in more ways than one.

3. Do most people mark 3 as "most meaningful"? Will I look like a slacker if I only do 2? Or is it recommended to do all 3?
1) I'd try to get them all in one space if possible (since they are variations on a theme), which should be doable with the "Most Meaningful" designation. This should save on explanations.

2) I think that works out fine, since you minimized the amount of repeated information.

3) Actually, it's my observation that most applicants don't use all three. Use three if you need them, but don't push it if you don't. Keep in mind that if you do designate a third, you don't have to use all those extra characters. Fluff isn't a good thing.
 
1 more question, where I volunteer, since I do it on a sunday I essentially get double the hours as I would volunteering on a weekday. The computer that tracks this lists the amount of hours I worked. So do I put that I average 4hours a week or 8hours a week (thats what the computer says).
Enter the true hours per week that you worked (which is four) and not what you were given credit for.
 
I have a question in regards to listing my ECs in the AMCAS application. I have volunteered at two different hospitals over the past 3 and a half years with two different positions at each of those hospitals. Should I list each position in a different space? For example, at hospital 1 I worked in the ED and radiology department for a semester each; at hospital 2 I worked as a patient escort for a summer and as a surgery center volunteer for another summer.
I would use two spaces, dividing them by hospital, including both locations within that hospital. For hospital 2, title the activity Summer Hospital Volunteeering (or something else that includes "Summer" so that you can use the full date span and enter the hours per week without diluting them by dividing them out over a year's time. In the narrative, give the actual dates of involvement for each summer.

Alternatively, if you need more space (and have the room), you could list each of the summer activities on their own.
 
I grow my own hops as a hobby. I really enjoy it and it's very important to me, but would it be appropriate to add this as an activity? I have the space, I'm just wondering if it could be looked upon as controversial.
 
I recently submitted my application and I realized I put the wrong end date for one of my activities....by a month. (I put June 2012 as opposed to May 2012...) Is it important enough to contact each school for correction?

I made a thread for this but realized I should've placed this here.... 🙁 Sorry for the duplication!
 
12. Should I really be talking about my hobbies or artistic endeavors?
If you have some, then list them! Not all adcomm members will read them, but some like to know what you do to relieve stress and unwind. Group them all together.

Some are confused between listing an activity as a hobby or an artistic endeavor. The prevailing SDN opinion about artistic endeavors is that they involve reaching a wider audience (ie publishing or performing instead of just writing and practicing). A hobby is more personal with a limited audience.

If one of my activities is (practicing) photography and I will be putting ("publishing") a sample of my photos on a website for ADCOMs to see, should this be categorized as a hobby or artistic endeavor?
Note: I already have a number of hobbies but no artistic endeavors (if this makes a difference in the above decision).
 
I grow my own hops as a hobby. I really enjoy it and it's very important to me, but would it be appropriate to add this as an activity? I have the space, I'm just wondering if it could be looked upon as controversial.
It depends on your age and the use to which you put your crop. If you are a microbrewer, for example, don't enter a date of onset when you were 17.
 
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This question may have been asked before but I cant find a response -

I did independent research which was accepted for presentation at a conference and later was published. I was first author - I used my research as a meaningful activity, and I think it will be more cohesive if I just put all three in one place. But, I want the conference and publication to stand out and not get lost under "research"
 
I recently submitted my application and I realized I put the wrong end date for one of my activities....by a month. (I put June 2012 as opposed to May 2012...) Is it important enough to contact each school for correction?

I made a thread for this but realized I should've placed this here.... 🙁 Sorry for the duplication!
I think it is better addressed elsewhere, the question being outside the scope of this thread.
 
If one of my activities is (practicing) photography and I will be putting ("publishing") a sample of my photos on a website for ADCOMs to see, should this be categorized as a hobby or artistic endeavor?
Note: I already have a number of hobbies but no artistic endeavors (if this makes a difference in the above decision).
List it as a hobby unless you have previously entered a competition or sold your pix.
 
This question may have been asked before but I cant find a response -

I did independent research which was accepted for presentation at a conference and later was published. I was first author - I used my research as a meaningful activity, and I think it will be more cohesive if I just put all three in one place. But, I want the conference and publication to stand out and not get lost under "research"
I suggest you have both a Research and a Publications entry with the conference presentation mentioned in the latter space, unless the pub was in a campus journal, in which case I'd make a different suggestion.
 
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