EMT_DO said:
Just wanted to se the record stright, I'm a third year at DMU, and had the full experience of what DMU has to offer. For those of you who say I'm a schmuck and don't know what I'm talking about and DMU is just the greatest school ever let me ask you this: 1. Why do they have such a difficlut time finding professors to teach 2nd year students? 2. Why are most alumni so unwilling to donate and completly disgusted with how DMU operates?
Why are certain classes. namely pathology, so poorly taught? Consider this when you call me a schmuck please.
I've been away, so I'm going to have to answer a few posts in one big post in the fashion of my favorite Serbian, Cliff:
1) I'm not sure which 3rd year EMT_DO is, but I have to agree with Eiko (and I interviewed her for pete's sake), he/she's angry but DMU isn't probably the real focus. We in the Psychological field call this projection. Take something more socially acceptable to be angry at, that you perceive you can control (DMU) better than something else in your life that is less soically acceptable to be angry at, and you percieve you have less control over (a significant interpersonal relationship), switch the focus from the socially unacceptable anger to the socially acceptable outlet, and you have projection.
2)
Alumni Donations: I'll talk to the Alumi Affairs Donations coordinator, Mary Boyd, then I'll pump my sources at DMU that always tell me the scoop even when it isn't popular/on the street. I'll test the veracity of that comment.
3)
Pride in Institution: I spent ten years busting my ass for the World's Finest Nuclear Navy, and the Worlds Finest United States Marine Corps. Ive traveled half the globe, known thousands of people, and been paid major dollars to perform leadership tasks that required some great degree of reflection. Out of all this experience comes one fundamental truth: LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT. Ive worked side by side with guys doing **** jobs (washing dishes, cleaning bathrooms, wiping asses, feeding old people who drool and cough food all over you, low crawling through the dirt as a field medic, schlepping pills out to the entire geriatric population of Florida while missing calculus III lecture because they all decided to show up at 4PM) and seen people respond in one of two ways. You either decide life is good, and its all worth the struggle, or you decide to be a bitch. I was both a Nurses Aide, and a Pharmacy Tech in training with a guy named Timoney, and all he could do was fuss. The child of a rich family, he thought everything should be easy and fun. The same jobs he lambasted, I put on my mantle, filled my resume with and made it to the best goshdamn DO school in the world. Ive been to COSGP meetings and listened to the SGA Presidents of other schools fuss about how their institution is run. DMU is it. If you dont agree, let me quote some famous hippies: USA is my country my right or wrong
love it or leave it =>DMU is my school love it or leave it. We dont need any nonhacking, trashtalking, silver spoon in my mouth beatches running us down.
4)
Graduate Pride: Let me name a few of them who I personally know out in service in my United States Navy who will tell you what their Education has meant to them:
a)
Captain Glen Duane Zausmer, United States Navy, Urologist, Brooke Army Hospital, San Antonio, TX: Clinical Faculty.
b)
Commander Edward B. Jorgensen, United States Navy, Internal Medicine, Naval Hospital Pensacola, FL: Director Branch Medical Clinic, Pensacola.
c)
Admiral Benjamin Gaumer, United States Navy Reserve, Family Practice, Iowa Health Systems Clinic, Indianola, IA: Deputy Fleet Surgeon, Atlantic Fleet Reserve. Sits on Board of Directors, Iowa Health Systems. Manages Clinic Practice in Indianola.
If you want an opinion about DMU from someone whos been out in the field a while, and has some experience doing their job, Google these fellas (especially the good Admiral).
5)
MDs: Who gives a damn? DMU isnt looking to make MDs. IF DMU was, itd be U of Iowa. MDs and DOs come from two separate pools usually. I interview for admissions. I see who comes and who doesnt. Were looking for people (and by we, I mean I because I interview and make suggestions), who are more than just numbers. Average MCAT at DMU, 25. Average MCAT at any MD school, 30. Thats a whole world of difference.
Are we the second choice of people who wanted to be MDs sometimes? Yes. However I dont see that as breaking down, I see that as breaking through. Even if you never use OMM in your practice, the addition of the continued review of applied anatomy makes a lot of difference in how you perceive the human body, and how you understand the working of anatomy in a way that is fundamentally quite different from physiology. Further, the psychological benefits of being innately more comfortable touching patient through at least two years of touching a different classmate every week pays dividends far beyond the knowledge of how to fix a Rotated Left Sidebent Right Lumbosacral Complex.
Are OMM Specialists too histrionic at times? Yes. However, their sacred trust is to guard the keys to the profession. The history, the tradition, and the intrinsic uniquesness of DOs comes from a departure in the 1800s. PILLS aint all that there is to medicine. Touching a person has so many benefits to their health that you cant quantify on a piece of paper. Being good at it, and knowing how to approach your patients because youve been one so often (during OMM labs) is nothing you can put a price on.
Finally, life is what you make it. I feel like the luckiest guy in the world. I was soundly rejected without interview from a lot of MD schools. In my desperation I started considering whatever that Osteopathy thing was that Id heard about. Then I started noticing DOs on staff. Then, the nicest guy in the world, Captain Zausmer, spent the time with me to explain what a DO was, and how I should go about applying to medical school. Up until that point, no doctor (MD or DO) had spent any time explaining anything at all to me. I was stabbing at random trying to become a physician, and this DO much like another doctor whod fostered me in the past (Dr Jorgensen) made me feel like I deserved a chance. I found out what DOs were, and had a second chance to do what I really wanted to do in the first place, be a PHYSICIAN. It wasnt important to me ever what the letters were behind my name, only that I get to take care of people. I understood that to be an MD, then I learned that there were 10% DOs in the world.
After 18 months here, this was nothing less than divine intervention for me to be here.
If you dont feel the same way, you can call the college tomorrow AM and disenroll. We dont need lukewarm DOs who dont know what they want out of life on the street.
6)
Pathology: How the hell ARE you supposed to teach the disease process of every body system in one class and make it good? I dont know. They did their best, were working on it. Coulda been a lot worse.
7)
Clinical Faculty: THEYRE FLIPPING DOCTORS MAN! Tons of our ilk are profit driven, and wont leave their practice to teach, because they lose money doing it. The ones that do come are nice, care about us learning, and should be lauded. I want you to go out and try to teach anything (medicine, tax preparation, garbage collecting), and find staff to leave their job to take less pay while they teach other how to do it. Ill tell you if the money isnt equal, itll be HARD. Money talks.
Ive frankly been impressed with the dedication of many of the clinical faculty. Even the ones I was bored with were trying as hard as they could. Which is more than I can say for me on a daily basis. Sometimes Im just lazy, and dont pay attention (or get out of bed) while these guys are trying their best to make topics like multiple myeloma or prostate cancer sound interesting for 50 minutes at a time. WHEW!
7)
Schmuck: I dont think youre a schmuck. I think youre shooting your mouth off parroting what youve heard other uniformed or misinformed students say. None of you probably took the rumors to the faculty or investigated them before deciding to pass them on. Dont feel bad, 80% of the world responds this way. If you want people to believe you, please quantify your statements and footnote them with either web sources, or other journal articles. Give us evidence youre not just running our school down based on something you heard someone you know say.
Sorry for the Shakespearean length of this post.
Bravo 😍 Bravo 
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