*Official June 2016 MCAT Thread*

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Hey there everyone! Figured I'd start this thread since I recently started preparing for the June 18th MCAT. For those of you who are taking the June 2nd MCAT, June 18th MCAT, or still considering one of those two dates, feel free to post here with any questions, comments, concerns, or support you have to offer!

Good luck to you all! Let's crush it.
 
I took the june 18 exam but here was my breakdown:
C/P - I usually feel pretty good about it (hope I don't jinx myself), but yeah this tends to me by best section cuz I like o-chem and physics wasn't too bad except for a couple. But there was a lot more biochem on this section than anticipated. feeling pretty good

Cars - huge chance. Like sometimes ill get a 125 other times ill get a 122... fml so I cant really say. all I know was that I didn't even have time to read one passage (around 5-6 questions) so I just guessed cuz I was running out of time and when I began reading the passage made no sense so I answered the questions and focused on the passages that I felt like I could understand. Again if I get a 123 I would be sooo happy. if I get anything about 123 I will literally idk run around the house screaming at the top of my lungs.

bio/biochem - I like this section cuz its not too bad. the passages were longer than I was use to but a lot of times you didn't even need the entire passage. I felt pretty good about it.

psych/soc - idk why but I'm kinda scared for this section as well because I finished really quickly and had so much time to double check my work. I felt really good the first 30ish questions then idk about the other 30 cuz I couldn't remember them when I googled my answers.

but I do remember than I guessed on 3 calculation questions for C/P, got 2 wrong for C/P (had them right and changed them to wrong answers fmlllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and guessed on 5-6 CARS questions. Idk if I guessed on any biochem/ psych and soc sections, maybe a couple but not ones I remember. Of the 56ish total questions (including chem/phy, bio/biochem, and psych/soc - I believe I missed liberally 10 ish (so I rose the number by a couple, to account for some difference). So idk all depends on cars and psych/soc.

And yourself???

What were the calculation-based questions you missed... Stochio, acid/based etc?..
 
Thinking of all of you right now. Just try to keep off sdn and stay busy these last few days!! I'm sure you all did great :clap:
 
My test had way too much low yield stuff for comfort. I'm not going to go into specifics, but god damn. It was such a low-ball move by AAMC. My nuts are still sore.

You were a 6/18er I assume? My c/p felt like a lot of low yield stuff too, especially with physics. Totally regretting not focusing more on formulas and physics concepts, but I was under the impression that biochem was gonna be the main focus. Boy was I wrong. The more I think about it, the more scared I am to see my score.


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Hey guys quick question. I'm about to start studying again to retake the exam.

What materials did you use to learn the immune system? I found it to be super confusing, even after reading the chapter in the latest Kaplan book.

What material did you use to understand electrochemistry? And fatty acid metabolism/urea cycle?
 
Hey guys quick question. I'm about to start studying again to retake the exam.

What materials did you use to learn the immune system? I found it to be super confusing, even after reading the chapter in the latest Kaplan book.

What material did you use to understand electrochemistry? And fatty acid metabolism/urea cycle?
Immune: Khan academy. They honestly did the best IMO
Electrochemistry: Khan + TPR + McGraw Hill
Metabolism: Just purely remembered from TAing metabolism. I think that basically any biochem guide for this will be good. Make sure to know the react/produc and relevant side reactions that intermediates get dumped into, and how they are regulated (cAMP, insulin, feedback like in Krebs).
 
I took the june 18 exam but here was my breakdown:
C/P - I usually feel pretty good about it (hope I don't jinx myself), but yeah this tends to me by best section cuz I like o-chem and physics wasn't too bad except for a couple. But there was a lot more biochem on this section than anticipated. feeling pretty good

Cars - huge chance. Like sometimes ill get a 125 other times ill get a 122... fml so I cant really say. all I know was that I didn't even have time to read one passage (around 5-6 questions) so I just guessed cuz I was running out of time and when I began reading the passage made no sense so I answered the questions and focused on the passages that I felt like I could understand. Again if I get a 123 I would be sooo happy. if I get anything about 123 I will literally idk run around the house screaming at the top of my lungs.

bio/biochem - I like this section cuz its not too bad. the passages were longer than I was use to but a lot of times you didn't even need the entire passage. I felt pretty good about it.

psych/soc - idk why but I'm kinda scared for this section as well because I finished really quickly and had so much time to double check my work. I felt really good the first 30ish questions then idk about the other 30 cuz I couldn't remember them when I googled my answers.

but I do remember than I guessed on 3 calculation questions for C/P, got 2 wrong for C/P (had them right and changed them to wrong answers fmlllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and guessed on 5-6 CARS questions. Idk if I guessed on any biochem/ psych and soc sections, maybe a couple but not ones I remember. Of the 56ish total questions (including chem/phy, bio/biochem, and psych/soc - I believe I missed liberally 10 ish (so I rose the number by a couple, to account for some difference). So idk all depends on cars and psych/soc.

And yourself???
Similar to mine. I can't remember many calcs I had in CP but there was a lot of biochem.

I felt the same about P/S

Bio I thought was actually really difficult. The long passages (AND COMPLICATED PATHWAYS TO WORK OUT) threw me off and sent me into a bit of panic.
 
Immune: Khan academy. They honestly did the best IMO
Electrochemistry: Khan + TPR + McGraw Hill
Metabolism: Just purely remembered from TAing metabolism. I think that basically any biochem guide for this will be good. Make sure to know the react/produc and relevant side reactions that intermediates get dumped into, and how they are regulated (cAMP, insulin, feedback like in Krebs).
Great thank you!
 
I wish the AAMC would release 2-3 practice tests at the same time. Also wish I had the ability to memorize my physics textbook, but alas.....
Thought about my score today, and feel like I did awful. I literally made educated guesses on 70% of the C/P section. Thinking back, I don't know if I actually knew a single question. I have never gotten lower than a 125 on C/P and it's my worst section. But I could very well get a 120, considering I knew maybe a few questions.
 
I wish the AAMC would release 2-3 practice tests at the same time. Also wish I had the ability to memorize my physics textbook, but alas.....
Thought about my score today, and feel like I did awful. I literally made educated guesses on 70% of the C/P section. Thinking back, I don't know if I actually knew a single question. I have never gotten lower than a 125 on C/P and it's my worst section. But I could very well get a 120, considering I knew maybe a few questions.
I feel your pain. While many others are discussing marking 5-15 questions in a section I can only state with confidence that I knew 3 questions out of all 230. To top it all off, my local Walmart no longer hires greeters. Looks like I need a new plan B.
 
I feel your pain. While many others are discussing marking 5-15 questions in a section I can only state with confidence that I knew 3 questions out of all 230. To top it all off, my local Walmart no longer hires greeters. Looks like I need a new plan B.

I mean I marked 15 in C/P, but I probably missed many more. I marked 10 on B/B and P/S but probably missed many more on those too haha
 
I feel worse and worse about my score every passing day. Felt like a 125/126/127/127 the day after and now 121/123/124/124.

Marked ~20 in each section.

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Similar to mine. I can't remember many calcs I had in CP but there was a lot of biochem.

I felt the same about P/S

Bio I thought was actually really difficult. The long passages (AND COMPLICATED PATHWAYS TO WORK OUT) threw me off and sent me into a bit of panic.

C/P: Not ridiculous, doable, more Biochem than I would've expected. But wasn't super hard on my version
CARS: I thought the passages were really interesting to read. I usually score 125 on this section, who knows
Bio/Biochem: It felt almost more like the section bank because harder questions and longer passages with complex passages.
P/S: Felt, normal? Who knows?

I was scared in C/P for a while then calmed down. I felt comfortable after I finished that section. The other three, I have no emotions or feelings to tell any of you. A lot of you seem to be able to say you thought they were good or bad or whatever, I can't tell you anything because I honestly felt nothing. I was just doing questions not thinking about feelings and I'm super scared this means I did miserably.

^ especially because in scored FL1, I felt good overall in the sections but knew I had rushed the psych part which was why I scored lower in that vs others. On the real 6/18 exam, I don't know what to tell you guys.
 
I was doing some thinking: since everyone seemed to have a problem with timing on cars, wouldn't the curve be more weighed so to speak for the last passages more than the earlier passages? I would assume there would be more mistakes on the last passages due to rushing.


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Im just going to copy and paste my comment from the July thread:

The test is not curved it is scaled. So each test has its own difficulty scale and corresponding scores according to the question levels. So yes it balances out on difficulty levels but it does not curve your grade. Aka, the performance of people taking the test changes your grade. That doesn't happen, the scale is standardized before the actual exam and the gradient is set then.


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So some tests are harder than others and, this means you can miss more questions and still get the same or a higher score compared to an easier test?
 
So some tests are harder than others and, this means you can miss more questions and still get the same or a higher score compared to an easier test?

Exactly. The inherent difficulty is already taken into account in the score you receive. So it doesn't matter if everyone in a center walks in one day to intentionally fail to move the curve. It won't move the testing gradient at all, they will all just fail.


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Exactly. The inherent difficulty is already taken into account in the score you receive. So it doesn't matter if everyone in a center walks in one day to intentionally fail to move the curve. It won't move the testing gradient at all, they will all just fail.


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That's always confused me. If this were the case and scales were predetermined, then why does it still take 30-35 days to grade? Also, does this mean that someone can score a 128 and be in the 40th percentile? It always seems as though a 125 is in the 50 something percentile within 1-2 percentage points. Unless the MCAT designers are so good at knowing that 50% of the people will miss X amount of questions, I would think they have to do some type of post test modifications.

Not questioning what you're saying at all and I think it's true. I'm just confused as to how it all works!!
 
That's always confused me. If this were the case and scales were predetermined, then why does it still take 30-35 days to grade? Also, does this mean that someone can score a 128 and be in the 40th percentile? It always seems as though a 125 is in the 50 something percentile within 1-2 percentage points. Unless the MCAT designers are so good at knowing that 50% of the people will miss X amount of questions, I would think they have to do some type of post test modifications.

Not questioning what you're saying at all and I think it's true. I'm just confused as to how it all works!!

No worries I'll explain to the best of my knowledge. Scaling inherently means you have predictive value on the score associated with each question. So a question likely doesn't go into a test officially to be scored until after many, many, tests in which it was included as an experimental question. Statistical analysis will then give you the confidence interval for how the typical student will perform. This would then go into creating a test, in which this is done for each question. Because each test has a combination of different questions, their raw %correct is different but they are all balanced so that they produce a scaled score around the same center. Which is why 500 is deigned to be the the middle point, 125 for sub sections.

The post test modifications serve a multitude of reasons, most of which I'm sure are well beyond me. But they are not for curving. They probably serve to test-retest validity (aka accuracy), reliability (aka predictability), and fairness. They probably include a series of human raters to check interrater reliability and confirm the scale that was used for said test.

Just because you came up with a scale doesn't mean you can just implement it without checking and confirming you have predicted what you said you would. Furthermore, a given test may include questions that just came out of the experimental phase and going into their first "real test". All these things require post-test analysis. And it's a good thing, because it means they are not just pumping out algorithms and not check for errors they made, etc.


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No worries I'll explain to the best of my knowledge. Scaling inherently means you have predictive value on the score associated with each question. So a question likely doesn't go into a test officially to be scored until after many, many, tests in which it was included as an experimental question. Statistical analysis will then give you the confidence interval for how the typical student will perform. This would then go into creating a test, in which this is done for each question. Because each test has a combination of different questions, their raw %correct is different but they are all balanced so that they produce a scaled score around the same center. Which is why 500 is deigned to be the the middle point, 125 for sub sections.

The post test modifications serve a multitude of reasons, most of which I'm sure are well beyond me. But they are not for curving. They probably serve to test-retest validity (aka accuracy), reliability (aka predictability), and fairness. They probably include a series of human raters to check interrater reliability and confirm the scale that was used for said test.

Just because you came up with a scale doesn't mean you can just implement it without checking and confirming you have predicted what you said you would. Furthermore, a given test may include questions that just came out of the experimental phase and going into their first "real test". All these things require post-test analysis. And it's a good thing, because it means they are not just pumping out algorithms and not check for errors they made, etc.


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Ok I see. It seems as though the questions have all been asked in the past in some way to give an indication on how many people have answered it correctly. I'm surprised on such a new test, though, that they have gathered so many of these experimental questions to the point they can make an entire test out of it.

Also, when you say human raters confirm the scale, does that suggest that a scale is confirmed when in fact 50 percentile is 125, 67 percentile is 126 and so on? If the test was harder than they anticipated, in that the average person got more questions wrong than the designers anticipated, would it be adjusted? If so, wouldn't that be considered a curve?

Thanks for the help! Definitely nice to know at least a tiny bit on how this test is graded haha
 
Ok I see. It seems as though the questions have all been asked in the past in some way to give an indication on how many people have answered it correctly. I'm surprised on such a new test, though, that they have gathered so many of these experimental questions to the point they can make an entire test out of it.

Also, when you say human raters confirm the scale, does that suggest that a scale is confirmed when in fact 50 percentile is 125, 67 percentile is 126 and so on? If the test was harder than they anticipated, in that the average person got more questions wrong than the designers anticipated, would it be adjusted? If so, wouldn't that be considered a curve?

Thanks for the help! Definitely nice to know at least a tiny bit on how this test is graded haha

I do not think that they have to make any adjustments. They have so many questions for the new test because in a lot of ways the chance is "how" you get the answer not really what the right answer is. Aka more analysis of data and texts that reach the same collisions based off the same concepts that the old one did, but the old one did it in a more explicit style question.

Give the multitude of tests that are done on the experimental level. If it turned out to be more difficult, I do not think it would be curve. For a number of reasons, and in sure it is all quite complex. But my first thought is. In one administration of a test, one specific question having 60% wrong instead of 50% wrong, for example, wouldn't do much to shift the accuracy of the scale of that question was included as an experimental question in hundreds of administrations over several years, as well as tested internally in their methods of question generation. It would just be a tiny speck on a broader picture. That's why I think no one should go off of whether a specific question was hard compared to people that took it that day. However, in general, it's legitimate to say if your OVERRRAL test was harder, it's likely your scale is significantly different than someone else's.

Even with that though, we have to realize that what we consider hard is very subjective. It's not the same for everyone, so even your impression of C/P being crazy hard in May, might have not been that hard if it targeted your weak points, while it was found as an easy question over the course of the experimental analysis to come up with that combination of questions.


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Exactly. The inherent difficulty is already taken into account in the score you receive. So it doesn't matter if everyone in a center walks in one day to intentionally fail to move the curve. It won't move the testing gradient at all, they will all just fail.


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Correct, but it will change the scale for future test takers!
 
Correct, but it will change the scale for future test takers!

See my last comment. I don't think this is necessarily true. I think it would have to be on a GRAND scale to shift the scale. Or would would just make them change the wording or something ever so slightly.


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Im just going to copy and paste my comment from the July thread:

The test is not curved it is scaled. So each test has its own difficulty scale and corresponding scores according to the question levels. So yes it balances out on difficulty levels but it does not curve your grade. Aka, the performance of people taking the test changes your grade. That doesn't happen, the scale is standardized before the actual exam and the gradient is set then.


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True, but in all fairness, with a sample size as large as the MCAT has, a curve will ultimately be almost indistinguishable from a scale, as long as the scale is accurate.
 
True, but in all fairness, with a sample size as large as the MCAT has, a curve will ultimately be almost indistinguishable from a scale, as long as the scale is accurate.

Well the scale is created with the purpose of being standardized, so in a lot of ways yes. But these two types of scoring are very different.

The issue with calling it a curve is that people think their perceived difficulty will change the outcome, which I think is important to note the differences. Like (ridiculous example here), but someone who thinks it is curves pays a bunch of people (non-pre-meds) to take the test and fail hoping it will give them a higher score for their administration date. They would be wholly disappointed, because they thought it was curved, not scaled.


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Well the scale is created with the purpose of being standardized, so in a lot of ways yes. But these two types of scoring are very different.

The issue with calling it a curve is that people think their perceived difficulty will change the outcome, which I think is important to note the differences. Like (ridiculous example here), but someone who thinks it is curves pays a bunch of people (non-pre-meds) to take the test and fail hoping it will give them a higher score for their administration date. They would be wholly disappointed, because they thought it was curved, not scaled.


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That would never happen, though. And it would probably be impossible too, given that ~100,000 people take the MCAT every year. In practice, scaled and curved scores would both produce means within 1 point of 500, and the standard deviations would be nearly identical as well. I mean, if a particular test produces a mean score of 490, then clearly there's something wrong with their scales, not the thousands of people taking the test. If that were to happen, I'm sure they'd reevaluate their scales, which is essentially just curving the test.
 
Im just going to copy and paste my comment from the July thread:

The test is not curved it is scaled. So each test has its own difficulty scale and corresponding scores according to the question levels. So yes it balances out on difficulty levels but it does not curve your grade. Aka, the performance of people taking the test changes your grade. That doesn't happen, the scale is standardized before the actual exam and the gradient is set then.


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So you're saying that the scaling occurs before the test, and isn't based on how people perform?

I totally thought it was!


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So you're saying that the scaling occurs before the test, and isn't based on how people perform?

I totally thought it was!


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Well it's probably more accurate to say that scaling occurs before the test, and is based on how they know people are going to perform
 
You scored what you scored. No need in back and forth deliberation. Truth is: no one really knows why it takes 30+ days. It's 2016 and with the technologies available it really takes .3 seconds to have scores available.

On that note, let's get these 515's next week! !
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That would never happen, though. And it would probably be impossible too, given that ~100,000 people take the MCAT every year. In practice, scaled and curved scores would both produce means within 1 point of 500, and the standard deviations would be nearly identical as well. I mean, if a particular test produces a mean score of 490, then clearly there's something wrong with their scales, not the thousands of people taking the test. If that were to happen, I'm sure they'd reevaluate their scales, which is essentially just curving the test.

1st. You misunderstand. Yes it wouldn't happen, hence why it is a ridiculous example. Each test administered is different, even on the same day. My example was to highlight a specific test, not the total 100,000 test takers in a given year. If someone assumes that a test on X day is only curved against everyone taking that test on that day.

2nd. That is my exact point. A particular test is already tested to no produce a 490. So that's not really a point to make. It isn't curved because the test being implemented has already been tested thousand of times to produce the scale. If on one occurrence, on one day, some people score lower that wouldn't change the scale. It would take many, many times of deviations to overhaul the scale that was already experimentally standardized. Signifying that there is a new standard essentially. That's not going to happen because everyone in May thought that yes was hard. You see it all the time in threads where people are like, "omg CARS was so hard, that means we'll get a better curve than last month's test takers".

Scaling and curving are two distinct processes, the point is, the MCAT is not curved.


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You scored what you scored. No need in back and forth deliberation. Truth is: no one really knows why it takes 30+ days. It's 2016 and with the technologies available it really takes .3 seconds to have scores available.

On that note, let's get these 515's next week! !
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There are probably a whole host of real and non-real reasons why they continue to keep it at a month. A number of which are probably more driven by tradition, politics or others.


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1st. You misunderstand. Yes it wouldn't happen, hence why it is a ridiculous example. Each test administered is different, even on the same day. My example was to highlight a specific test, not the total 100,000 test takers in a given year. If someone assumes that a test on X day is only curved against everyone taking that test on that day.

2nd. That is my exact point. A particular test is already tested to no produce a 490. So that's not really a point to make. It isn't curved because the test being implemented has already been tested thousand of times to produce the scale. If on one occurrence, on one day, some people score lower that wouldn't change the scale. It would take many, many times of deviations to overhaul the scale that was already experimentally standardized. Signifying that there is a new standard essentially. That's not going to happen because everyone in May thought that yes was hard. You see it all the time in threads where people are like, "omg CARS was so hard, that means we'll get a better curve than last month's test takers".

Scaling and curving are two distinct processes, the point is, the MCAT is not curved.


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No, I understand just fine. You don't seem to understand how sample sizes work. Obviously curving and scaling are different processes, but all I'm saying is that with a sample size of 100,000/year, those processes produce the exact same result. Point is, there's no need to correct people when they say that the test is curved, because in practice, it is curved. It's just curved proactively, which is the same as scaling.
 
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