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HA pentalemma, so it is. Any other thoughts in case the chem dept falls through?
So I am going to be applying in June, but the doctor I am shadowing to write a letter of rec is going on vacation soon and won't be back til July, which is when he will write the letter. Is it possible to add the letter of rec to AMCAS after I send the application out??
I plan on getting a committee letter from my school's health professions office. However, I just found out that the professor who will be doing my interview (and I presume writing my committee letter), isn't a doctorate in anything related to science/medicine (though the person is indeed part of the school's pre-med office). Is that going to be a problem?
Hi,
this might have been mentioned before, but about LORs from the two required science and 1 required non science professor, if your interactions with them are limited to talking about coursework, how will they be able to evaluate you effectively. Also, how early should you approach a professor to ask them for a LOR, since you might not have the PS and all the activities on your resume that you will have when it's time to apply.
For a non science professor, should we have taken more than one course with the professor? I had the same language teacher for more than a year, but I don't know how fluent she is in writing a LORs. What is the suggested level of interaction with an LOR writer? Some of my nonscience professors only teach a course or teach courses that are graduate level and out of my interest in that subject so I was wondering what I should do about that.
What qualities are adcoms looking for in lors from your course professors? leadership, active participation, motivation?
I'm worried that lors from professors might be too generic since there's only so much exposure we can get with them (office hours). i think that doing research with professors would be a better way, since they would have more to talk about as well...
Also I was wondering about the letter from a pi, can you include one from a PI with whom you did summer research with but only for one summer and a letter from a pi that you did one-two years of research with? the latter would know you better but what if you had a thesis for your summer research with the first pi ?
Is it highly recommended to get a letter from non-science professor? I basically didn't realize this until now. The thing is I'm not really connected to any of my non science professors, most of them don't remember me, being that I took all those classes early ( like3-4 yrs ago). Also I didnt see this requirement in a few schools web sites such as downstate, einstein. Please advise...
I plan on getting a committee letter from my school's health professions office. However, I just found out that the professor who will be doing my interview (and I presume writing my committee letter), isn't a doctorate in anything related to science/medicine (though the person is indeed part of the school's pre-med office). Is that going to be a problem?
I don't see this as being a problem. Presumably, your committee will have science faculty members contributing to the content of your letter.
As far as I understand, only one of the committee member interviews me, and that member is the one who write the letter.
If you already know which schools you want to receive certain letters, I'd designate them already. The schools I'm aware of don't have any policies about when letters are accepted, but you should check with the schools you're applying to just to be on the safe side.
Ok, so let me get this straight. We CAN submit out application early June and then wait to assign letters of rec to schools in say July/August? We can also ADD additional letters to the file (ie did not enter the letter and get a letter number before submission) after we submit?
Thanks!
AMCAS will not send any of your letters to these schools unless you make the assignments and submit your application again. Please follow these instructions if you would like your letter(s) to be made available to these schools.
1. Go the medical schools section of the application (section 7)
2. Click "edit" next to the school you wish to assign letters to.
3. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click "continue".
4. Select the letters you would like assigned to that school.
You will need to follow the above steps for any school participating in AMCAS Letters that you would like your letter(s) sent to. After completing these steps you must re-submit your application in order for these changes to save. Please note that adding letters information will NOT delay the processing of your application. You may return at any time to complete the letters section, add letters, or make assignments but you will need to comply with the letters deadlines set by individual medical schools.
How did you get to know your professors well enough so that you can ask for LORs?
My school is huge and all my science classes are big auditorium-style lectures. That said, I'm a rising junior and I've never really chatted with any of my previous professors... ever.. and I'll be applying next summer.
I know lots of you also have big auditorium-type lectures... what did you find the best way to go about this was?
Office hours were my first thought, which is great for my most difficult classes (though I've never been before), but if I legitimately don't really have anything I want to ask about or discuss, should I just.. pretend like I do? Should i just FIND something to ask or talk about each week?
And when do you typically start asking for LORs, just to evaluate how much time I have left for this?
How did you get to know your professors well enough so that you can ask for LORs?
My school is huge and all my science classes are big auditorium-style lectures. That said, I'm a rising junior and I've never really chatted with any of my previous professors... ever.. and I'll be applying next summer.
I know lots of you also have big auditorium-type lectures... what did you find the best way to go about this was?
Office hours were my first thought, which is great for my most difficult classes (though I've never been before), but if I legitimately don't really have anything I want to ask about or discuss, should I just.. pretend like I do? Should i just FIND something to ask or talk about each week?
And when do you typically start asking for LORs, just to evaluate how much time I have left for this?
I kind of lucked into things working out the way they did. We were offered extra credit on an assignment for volunteering with a club. The club wound up doing some great things, so I stayed with them even after the extra credit. I got to really know the faculty advisor, and vice versa. When time came for letters, it made perfect sense. I had him in a class that I took a W in, and retook it with someone else. So, I'm sure his letter didn't spend alot (any) time on how good I was in the class room. Probably the most genuine letter I had.
That said, find ways to get involved outside of the classroom. And I mean ON campus. Join the Bio Club, the Physics society, the Chem club, and be active. If that's not doing it, go to your professors' offices this coming year BEFORE you need letters. I struggled greatly with Calculus, Physics 2, Orgo1, and I visited those professors frequently during office hours. Those teachers all knew my face, name, and somewhere in those countless office hours trips, they came to know me. All 3 extended an offer to write a letter.
I had a small upper division class which had about 15 students since the name sounds scary to other people (physical biochem) the class was taught by 2 different professors and I got to know them well just through class interaction and office hours. I asked both of them for LORs. Probably not the ideal situation but I would rather have 2 genuine letters than having to force interaction and fish for LORs from those big classes.
So you can do it like me if you had any small classes or labs. Labs are usually small. Come to lab a few minutes early maybe you can make some small talk.
If you don't have that then how about your research lab? Usually students have a lot of "natural" interactions with professors that way.
There are people I know that just straight up cold ask the professors who they have for huge classes. The professors also understand so they schedule a mini interview where they can find out about you and write it. Some asked to see resume, PS ...etc... some do refuse however.
All else fails you would have to pretend and go talk to them at office hour. Their researches could be potential topics. I know it is uncomfortable but this is the way the game is played what are you going to do?
TAing for a class or lab with a professor you've had before is often a good way to earn yourself a letter. My orgo prof straight up told us that if we wanted letters from him, we should strongly consider TAing (positions were only offered to A and A- students). Let profs/lab directors know you'd like to TA in the future soon after the class - at least at my school, they would much rather give positions out to those who want them.
You should also look into whether your school offers any programs that facilitate prof-student interactions outside the classroom. My school offered vouchers for "take a professor to lunch" and the like. My sorority also held professor dinners where it was up to members to invite their profs. And if you can't find formal programs, you can just straight up ask to meet your prof for lunch or coffee, as long as you have a legitimate topic of discussion (like their research) or can sincerely say their class/teaching meant a lot to you. At least in my experience, professors like getting treated like real human beings who do things outside of their offices/labs.
Hey guys,
Is it absolutely necessary to get a letter from your research PI? I have enough letters already and my PI is a bit of a cold person so I'm a little scared what he may write...he tells us to write our own, which is fine but I wonder how he would edit it...could I just not waive my right to see it so I can make sure he doesn't say anything weird or will that raise flags to admissions committees since I waived my right with all my others? Side note: I've worked with him for 5 semesters now but I just don't get good vibes from him...I don't think I should ask for a letter from someone if I have any doubt, but I dunno...
Is it possible to edit the information about the LOE writer without deleting and redoing the entry, thus changing the Letter ID?
I completed an entry for a writer, printed out the Letter Request Form with the relevant nos. and gave it to him already, but want to revise some info. However, I don't see an "Edit" button. Does this mean I have to delete the entry and create a new one with a new Letter ID?
If this person is representing the committee, those credentials should be enough. I can't see a reason why a med school would have specific requirements around who is a valid member of a pre-medical committee, and if so, why they wouldn't list such criteria in their guidelines regarding sources of evaluation letters.
I suppose so, I just feel like it is a little weird to get an endorsement (which is basically what a committee letter is) from someone who really isn't qualified to endorse me (in terms of having no background with science or medicine)
are you guys adding the degrees of the letter writers in the last name? or is this unnecessary, given the title of "Dr."?
do we just assign all our letters to all the schools we add?
what if some schools send a letter request later on (like Mayo)...will they already have our letters? is it then bad to then send them letters from the get go?
Hey all,
First post at SDN. I'm just wondering if a recommendation from a math professor counts as a science LoR or a non-science LoR? Normally I'd personally think not, but then again, schools look at your combined math and science GPA.
Thanks!
I currently have 5 LORs. 2 from science faculty, 1 from non science, 1 from clinical volunteer and 1 from non-clinical volunteer. I wonder if it is overkill if I get one more LOR from a doc whom I used to help translate Vietnamese.
I did a search on this, but the only thread I found was not particularly helpful.
For people who use Interfolio, any idea what it means when they say "This letter has not been signed by the writer?" This appears on 3 of my letters -- the 3 professors with the most experience writing LORs for graduate/medical schools, so I find it hard to believe they did not sign them. 2 of these letters I know for a fact were uploaded electronically and not mailed in; the 3rd I'm not sure about. None of the letters that I know were uploaded by regular mail have this problem.
Is this probably just because they were uploaded electronically, and did not contain some kind of official digital signature? Like, maybe they scanned in a printed copy with a signature and uploaded it? Should I be concerned?
Assign letters to schools you would like to receive them. If you want all of your letters to go to all of the schools you're applying to, then assign all of the schools to all of your letters. The reason for this freedom is because some people may have more than the required/recommended number of letters and some people may wish to target letters to different schools (e.g. provide more research LORs for research-focused schools, or clinical LORs for clinically-focused schools).
If the school explicitly says "do not send letters until asked to do so," then do not assign that school to any of your letters until you have been asked to send letters.
So, I had a writing teacher this semester that liked me and said that she'd give me a strong LOR. Can I have her write it now and seal it, and then let me keep it until next June and snail mail it to AMCAS with my ID and letter ID?
I'm still a tiny bit confused - and because of this haven't filled out the LOR part of AMCAS.
My committee chairperson is writing a committee letter and attaching a packet of all my LOR's.
Does this mean I should select "letter packet" and write my committee chairperson as the primary author and listing all the other authors?
Or - since that does not designate his letter as the committee letter, should I select "committee letter" and fill out his information, and in addition make an entry for a letter packet, with his information as the primary author and listing all the other authors?
So i've noticed that most schools require either a committee letter or 3 LOR from other people. If i have a Committee letter, would it be bad to include some LOR from professors or should I stick with what they ask?
The committee letter is sometimes supplemented by letters from individuals, so I wouldn't say it's bad, necessarily. Do you know if your committee letter already includes such letters?
For my school, we were required to submit an application that was essentially like the AMCAS. We then had an interview with one member of the committee who eventually writes a letter composed of our application and interview. They also rank us based on other applicants from the school (i.e. excellent, good, okay).
I see that different schools may require different types of LOR. For ex: SUNY Up State said that they want 2 letters from different department with one being science. My letter packet cannot be broken up and has 5 LORs (2 science, 1 non science, 1 medical volunteer and 1 non medical volunteer.)
Is it ok to send the entire packet to every school? How do they know which letters to read? Can I direct them to which letters to read? SUNY Up State didn't say anything about a limit of how many LORs can be sent however.
Stupid question. Please bear with me.
I sent my undergrad institution the letter request form for a letter packet (that is, NOT a pre-med committee packet), but just realized that I didn't put the names of the authors. My question is can I have AMCAS add the names onto the application or will I have to delete the old entry, add the authors, and request the packet once again?
I hope that was clear. Thanks!
I figured out yesterday that this is possible, but only if the letter writer already submitted the letter. It sounds like they did not yet submit the letter, so I'm not sure.Is it possible to edit the information about the LOE writer without deleting and redoing the entry, thus changing the Letter ID?
I completed an entry for a writer, printed out the Letter Request Form with the relevant nos. and gave it to him already, but want to revise some info. However, I don't see an "Edit" button. Does this mean I have to delete the entry and create a new one with a new Letter ID?
After they receive the letter, it's possible to delete the letter entry and then re-match the already-received letter to a newly edited entry. This retains the letter code.
how do we know which schools these are? anyone have a list or something?