*** Official NYCOM Class of 2010 *** pt. 2

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Hey guys🙂 I have couple of questions..is it really cold in the classrooms?? and...what to wear on orientation day? Can I wear jeans??? What about this freshman send off on August 12 ? Did u guys have that before? What is it all about?

Are they going to tell us when DPC classes going to meet during orientation day??

Thanks a lot!!!!

It gets VERY COLD in the lecture hall so definitely always have a sweatshirt or something with you...you can wear anything you want on orientation, if you havent already taken your ID picture, it will be taken then, so i guess keep that in mind, but its only from the neck up so it doesnt really matter what you where..you can wear jeans, wear whatever you want!
CLass of 2010 didnt have a freshman sendoff so i have no idea what that is...ibelieve DPC people got there schedule on orientation day...GOOD LUCK!
 
I actually like the idea - it will be good for the 1st years to get it all out of the way early on, like most med schools have it. And I could use a refresher thats for sure.
They realized with our class that the bodies dry out and don't really last the whole year. The anatomy department is always trying to improve for us.
 
It gets VERY COLD in the lecture hall so definitely always have a sweatshirt or something with you...you can wear anything you want on orientation, if you havent already taken your ID picture, it will be taken then, so i guess keep that in mind, but its only from the neck up so it doesnt really matter what you where..you can wear jeans, wear whatever you want!
CLass of 2010 didnt have a freshman sendoff so i have no idea what that is...ibelieve DPC people got there schedule on orientation day...GOOD LUCK!

thank you very much
 
Posted in the '10 thread as well, but y'all might be more interested in the BRS books...

Hey guys,

I’m selling off a ton of books that I realize I don’t need but might be helpful to others. Prices are all negotiable, within reason. Send me a PM or email me at [email protected] if you’re interested. Below I’ve included all the relevant details about the books, including a little mini-review based on my opinion of the text. All prices should be below market price, although you should feel free to compare.

$299 Package deal: Get all of these off my hands for $299 ($60 discount)

$84 Review book deal: Buy the review books (6) for $84 ($10 discount)


 Canby, Craig. Problem-Based Anatomy. (2006, 1st ed) $20
o Condition: New
o Overall, a decent text but it leaves a lot to be desired. It doesn’t cover nearly enough, but that which it does cover, it covers well. I like the organization of the textbook, with each clinical case detailing things like embryo, histo, physio, path, and of course associated anatomy.

 Katzung, Bertram. Basic & Clinical Pharmacology. (9th ed) $15
o Condition: Good. Some highlighting and writing, but very little overall. Name written across bottom.
o I like the book, but I like Goodman and Gillman’s better, mainly b/c that text has more physiology and molecular bio incorporated into it. But this is the standard text at many schools and I have no issues with it. Note that there is a newer edition out.

 Rohen et al. Color Atlas of Anatomy. (6th ed) $45
o Condition: Like New. One or two pages have sparse writing/underlining in them, and that is all. Name written across bottom.
o Should be a required text, in my opinion.

 Murray et al. Medical Microbiology. (5th ed) $25
o Condition: Used/Good. The early chapters (1-6) have quite a bit of writing/highlighting. After that, there is sparse highlighting/writing/underlining. Name across bottom.
o This book is the standard microbio text in most med schools. I just don’t like the organization and find the writing a bit dry.

 Tank, P. Grant’s Dissector (“clean” copy) (13th ed) $3
o Condition: Good. Might have some writing somewhere in it. No cadaver juice on it.

 Kierszenbaum, A. Histology and Cell Biology. (2nd ed) $60
o Condition: Like New. Might have 1 or two pages with underlining.
o As I’m writing this I’m considering keeping this book if I don’t get a good offer. The diagrams in this text are phenomenal. If you are a visual learner, this is the histology and cell bio text for you. The cell bio part is introduced at the beginning and is surprisingly comprehensive. Someone told me that this is the histo book that Dr. Elkowitz recommends, but I don’t know if that’s true or not.

 Netter’s Flashcards. $20
o Condition: Better than new. I say this b/c most, if not all, of them have been already hole-punched so you can just put one of those binder rings through the cards. Organized and all there.
o I loved these. Used them at the gym frequently.

 Moore & Dalley. Clinically Oriented Anatomy. (5th ed.) $35
o Condition: Good. Some of the chapters have some highlighting/underlines but it’s really not much overall. Name across bottom. I might be able to dig up the CDs that came with the book.
o Tough call to sell this book. But I like Gray’s better in terms of writing. However, this is definitely the standard text at NYCOM and most other med schools in the country.

 Felten, & Jozefowicz. Netter’s Atlas of Human Neuroscience. (2003, 1st ed) $17
o Condition: Used. Highlighting, underlining, writing. No tears/folds. Name across bottom.
o Although this book is well used, it’s probably a good buy from me b/c in some areas (for instance, respiratory tracts) I’ve integrated the physiology into the illustration. Regardless of whether you’ll get it from me or not, I think you should buy it for Neuro.

 Doyon et al. The Cranial Nerves. (2004, 1st ed. in English). $25
o Condition: Like New. Name across bottom. No highlighting, no writing.
o Good book. Incorporates Netter images and neurophysiology. I bought this text b/c the cranial nerves kept coming up over and over again and for whatever reason, I never got it completely straight.

 Harvey & Champe. Lippincott’s Pharmacology. (3rd ed). $30
o Condition: Good. Some highlighting/writing (mainly early chapters). Name across bottom.
o This review book’s best merits are its illustrations. Worth buying if you have trouble with Pharm. I think some people use it as their primary text in conjunction with lecture notes.

 BRS Biochemistry, 3rd ed. $3
o Condition: Good. Some highlighting, mainly limited to 1 chapter. Name across bottom.
o Eh. It’s okay. Lippincott’s is better in my opinion. The schematics in here are worth $3 though (isn’t that a Starbucks drink these days?!).

 BRS Physiology, 3rd ed. $17
o Condition: Like New. Name across bottom. No writing/highlighting/marks.
o I use this woman’s textbook as a review book – I don’t know how she could have made a review book that’s any less comprehensive than her own text. Don’t get me started. There’s a video on YouTube somewhere of Boron and Boulepep (physio profs at Yale) destroying a bunch of Costanzo texts in some sort of Borat parody. Anyway, that being said, tons of people use this review book every year for boards.

 BRS Pharmacology, 4th ed. $20
o Condition: Like New. Name across bottom.
o Surprisingly solid. A lot of pharmacology is memorization so this little text is right on.

 BRS Microbiology and Immunology, 4th ed. $12
o Condition: Like New. Name across bottom.
o I don’t know why I bought this, but I’m sure it’s great! It comes pretty widely recommended for the boards.

 BRS Cell Biology and Histology, 4th ed. $12
o Condition: Like New. Name across bottom.
o Supposedly the most difficult questions on the boards are cell biology questions. But overall, I think that for a review book this has too much info. However, the histology section is pretty good.
 
Grad Plus is the same as last year, we get our check a couple weeks after we start school, right? No one else has gotten their plus checks, have they?
 
Grad Plus is the same as last year, we get our check a couple weeks after we start school, right? No one else has gotten their plus checks, have they?

I emailed Tom Reilly yesterday. He said that the loans will be disbursed on 8/13 for us. Does that mean that's when they school gets the money or is that when the school mails out the money to us?
 
For the fundamentals section do we need any books or can we just study the notes until we move on?
 
For the fundamentals section do we need any books or can we just study the notes until we move on?

Yeah, you will need to get some books for fundamentals. Wait until after the big-brother big-sister lunch to buy the books. 2nd years will tell you what books are important to get.
 
so, yeah, anyone sure of what's going on w/ 2nd year financial aid and when we're getting it this year? 'cause i want me my money, dammit.
 
I emailed Dr. Hill to see how anatomy will be handled. Here's what he said:

"The short answer- one lecture and one lab per system.

The lectures will be "advanced anatomy of the ____ system", and the labs will be just like your neuroscience labs. There will be a few anatomy questions in picture format on your exam. So, for the GI system you will have to interpret a photograph or diagram of, say, the stomach."
 
That's good news about the anatomy. If it's like neuroscience I guess that means that attendance won't be required. I also love multiple choice anatomy questions. it's a lot easier to figure out what they're asking for exactly when you have some choices to pick from.

As for how they'll take attendance at lecture...we're all set to be injected with a microchip on the first day of class and they'll be able to track our exact location at all times with a new GPS system that Kumar is working on...yea...
 
now that we don't have anatomy...does this mean 4 day weeks??:biglove::banana::clap:
 
Today was hilarious! I feel bad for the Dean though. 😳

Everybody to Jones beach instead! 😎
 
anyone know the deal for tomorrow? just show up at 8 for class as it says on noodle?
 
Today was hilarious! I feel bad for the Dean though. 😳

Everybody to Jones beach instead! 😎

yeah. new york institute of what??? technology?? that's a f'ing laugh.

personally, i found it to be a frustrating waste of time, just like most things at nycom.
 
Jones beach was awesome. Glad to see that many of us turned out. We're thinking bout going again next monday after our test is over at 11am. 😎
 
Ummmm.... so how exactly does Daniel Pearl's beheading relate to terrorists wanting to kill doctors/attack hospitals? Pearl was a journalist, not a doctor. It would have been more appropriate to tell us foiled plots to attack hospitals.

The whole lecture was disturbing... not only for the videos, but for the lack of presenting information that was relevant to us. If they wanted to tell us about our role in anti-terrorism, why not a lecture on bioterrorism instead of showing us Al-Queda footage? Bizzare
 
Ummmm.... so how exactly does Daniel Pearl's beheading relate to terrorists wanting to kill doctors/attack hospitals? Pearl was a journalist, not a doctor. It would have been more appropriate to tell us foiled plots to attack hospitals.

The whole lecture was disturbing... not only for the videos, but for the lack of presenting information that was relevant to us. If they wanted to tell us about our role in anti-terrorism, why not a lecture on bioterrorism instead of showing us Al-Queda footage? Bizzare

I thought the first hour wasn't bad...the rest was unnecessary though. I think it was a chance for the stereotypically republican FBI agent to wave a "lets gain support for the war and president" flag in front of 300 stereotypically democrat medical students.
 
Yeah, I was expecting more info on smallpox, anthrax, dirty bombs, etc...
Not to mention a training video on how the healthcare system handles a bio terrorism attack would have been more appropriate.

If they wanted to tell us about our role in anti-terrorism, why not a lecture on bioterrorism instead of showing us Al-Queda footage? Bizzare
 
I think it was a chance for the stereotypically republican FBI agent to wave a "lets gain support for the war and president" flag in front of 300 stereotypically democrat medical students.

yes. yes. 1000 times yes.

um, if we're talking about responding to Mass Casualty Incidents in terms of examples, i found the sheer lack of mention of Katrina/NO to be a conspicuous omission of a Bush admin. failure in that dept. not to mention omission of a case to learn from what went wrong.

but i'm getting started. i shouldn't. there was so very much so very WRONG about the whole thing i'm still so livid that there is steam coming out of my ears. maybe a few more whiskeys on top of the 4 it's already driven me to drink will cool it?
 
yes. yes. 1000 times yes.

um, if we're talking about responding to Mass Casualty Incidents in terms of examples, i found the sheer lack of mention of Katrina/NO to be a conspicuous omission of a Bush admin. failure in that dept. not to mention omission of a case to learn from what went wrong.

but i'm getting started. i shouldn't. there was so very much so very WRONG about the whole thing i'm still so livid that there is steam coming out of my ears. maybe a few more whiskeys on top of the 4 it's already driven me to drink will cool it?
Don't even get me started on the whole evil serb thing he was trying to push on us. For those who want the truth -

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VRKwaJ1mSQM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kAAFXBkXmnU
 
ok, so now i've learned:

1.) it's a great thing that the government and insurance companies will be able to track everything you do as a doc and everything about anyone's medical records through electronic medical records.

2.) see as many patients as possible for as little time as possible and charge as much as you can w/o raising suspicion of being audited.

3.) the american healthcare third-party payer system is Good and socialized medicine would be Bad.

4.) Be Afraid! you are a target! the EvilDoers want to hurt you! but take comfort in the skill and care of the bush administration, because they just want to keep you safe.

5.) how to use a website that needs a school supplied password (but was not given the password...)

6.) drinking is bad and you should turn in anyone at anytime for anything you think that they may or may not be doing that could possibly be seen as "bad."

um....what the hell is this week about? i though i was supposed to, i don't know, learn something. not be politically indoctrinated and told that my worst fears about the state of healthcare in the US, not to mention the increasing 1984-esque Big Brother-ness of the country, were not really paranoia, but actually true.

can't wait for course evaluation this time...
 
after this week i have decided i would have been better off going to law school or smashing my head on the pavement repeatedly
 
after this week i have decided i would have been better off going to law school or smashing my head on the pavement repeatedly

you so sure about that law thing after this lecture?
 
Dam what the hell is going on this week? Have you guys learned anything science related?!?!
 
ok, so now i've learned:

1.) it's a great thing that the government and insurance companies will be able to track everything you do as a doc and everything about anyone's medical records through electronic medical records.

2.) see as many patients as possible for as little time as possible and charge as much as you can w/o raising suspicion of being audited.

3.) the american healthcare third-party payer system is Good and socialized medicine would be Bad.

4.) Be Afraid! you are a target! the EvilDoers want to hurt you! but take comfort in the skill and care of the bush administration, because they just want to keep you safe.

5.) how to use a website that needs a school supplied password (but was not given the password...)

6.) drinking is bad and you should turn in anyone at anytime for anything you think that they may or may not be doing that could possibly be seen as "bad."

You can add that we will all be sued and if we become chief of a department at St. Francis we will make enough money to buy 2 Bently's. Did you see his GT Continental in the parking lot?? It was pretty sweet!
 
Make. The. Pain. Stop. Please.

It's not always this bad for you guys, is it?
 
I take it that you're in DPC?
Yesterday was brutal to say the least. Great welcome back week :wow:

Make. The. Pain. Stop. Please.

It's not always this bad for you guys, is it?
 
You can add that we will all be sued and if we become chief of a department at St. Francis we will make enough money to buy 2 Bently's. Did you see his GT Continental in the parking lot?? It was pretty sweet!

thats a sweet ride. coupe or sedan?


I cant believe this **** if they want mandatory attendance they should run the school better. power points on time and more structured lectures'this lapsed time sucks
 
I sit on the left front of the room. Would you like me more if I sat in the right back of the room?
Hellz yeah, if it got you to stop arguing with the lawyer/nurse lady over every little point instead of letting her get through the packet. Today was super annoying. It was worse than morning zoo, and that's hard to beat. 👎
 
BTW, that countdown to new years thing we did when the attendance ticker was counting down was hilarious. :laugh:
 
Never argue with lawyers...they will argue that a red crayon is green if they think they're right. You can't ever possibly tell them they're wrong.

Did anyone get that financial aid e-mail from Claire Jacobi? Do we need to reapply for financial aid? How does that affect us that NYCOM changed all their lenders?
 
So Contemporary Issues in Medicine was a real informative unit. I feel so much better about boards now.

👎 NOT! 👎
 
To be fairly honest, I didn't mind the unit all that much but I thought it could have been much improved. I like the concept behind it but they should have had a few changes.

1. There should not have been an exam. Attendance should have been the only requirement.

2. Some of the lectures were unnecessary. We did not need to learn about acupuncture and half of the MCI lecture was a waste of time.

I liked the legal lectures (it's nice to know how easily it's going to be to be sued). I also enjoyed the business of medicine lecture. I think those 2 lectures in particular should have been expanded upon. While it won't help us for the boards, knowledge in those areas will help us greatly when we're actually in practice. I'm sure we'll get a lot more on that stuff when we're 3rd and 4th years and when we're on our residencies but it was nice to learn about some of that stuff now.

I really just wish they didn't give us an exam today. Our time would have been better served with either a day off or the beginning of the cardiovascular/respiratory unit. That way, we could have used this last weekend to get ahead on material as opposed to having to "study" for this last unit.
 
Some of the law topics fall under ethics and are on board exams. because of the "what if" factor and the fact that we are not doctors or lawyers, those questions can be tricky. Take a look at some of those questions from a board prep source.

I liked easing back into studying for exams.

Though I must say I did not like the psychosocial Qs on the exam. :laugh: :cry:
 
Wasn't Dr. Ross Lee the Dean of NYCOM before Scandalis, or am I totally wrong?

I didn't mind this block, it was really just the attendance I didn't like. However it was good and served its purpose to help me get back slowly into med school mode...
 
Oh it was an honest question, I responded to a post in the Osteopathic Forum about Dr. Ross Lee being the past dean of NYCOM but somebody posted that it was incorrect and that Schowitz was the last dean...Thanks though I feel better
 
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