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kaydubs said:
As a mod, I would almost prefer a separate post with a vote in it or tag me direct.

When I’m catching up on multiple pages of thread, I am less likely to miss those two things.

Also, as an FYI for tallies, I try to reflect the order of voting when possible. Didn’t know if that affects how people analyze tallies.
I’ve been considering moving a player who gets voted to when they’re voted:

Example:
X votes Y, then unvotes Y, votes S
A votes Y much later:
Tally: (current)
Y ()
S (1) - X

To be considered:
S (1) - X
Y(1) - A

I don’t know if that will cause more confusion or not.

It may be no one cares.
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Sadly I didn't follow this. I'm not good with change. The current status quo works for me.
 
kaydubs said:
As a mod, I would almost prefer a separate post with a vote in it or tag me direct.

When I’m catching up on multiple pages of thread, I am less likely to miss those two things.

Also, as an FYI for tallies, I try to reflect the order of voting when possible. Didn’t know if that affects how people analyze tallies.
I’ve been considering moving a player who gets voted to when they’re voted:

Example:
X votes Y, then unvotes Y, votes S
A votes Y much later:
Tally: (current)
Y ()
S (1) - X

To be considered:
S (1) - X
Y(1) - A

I don’t know if that will cause more confusion or not.

It may be no one cares.
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This sounds super helpful to me if a lot of work for you! I’ll start keeping my votes in a separate post with a tag for you.
 
Crayola227 said:
Don't remember how to check post counts on mobile unless that isn't really a thing
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samac said:
Is it bad my brain twitched just because it’s 3 people in each individual group and wolves tend to like groups of 3s? It’s probably nothing
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Eh, there are 10 players, so 9 people to group, and humans like even groups and patterns and stuff.
 
WorthlessOxygen said:
POE: True (obviously), Zuri, Visc
I think I feel ok about: Fluff, AM, Samac
Leaving neutrals as: Genny, Sporty, Cray

Cray I especially don't know what to do with because I keep finding that 50-70% of her posts I agree with and the rest make no sense to me
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If Woxy flips W, I still feel like Fluff/AM/Samac are genuinely villagers, and that the packmates are in the POE and neutrals.

Trying to decide how my feelings on Cray will shift in that case.
 
Crayola227 said:
Yes but part of your theory was that I would hesitate to steer it your way. Which, I guess you could theorize I wouldn't to not be wolf hypocrite about LHF, except if I'm ever going to put principles aside it's going to be for the benefit of the wolf pack.

I'm still struggling to understand a bit why you find me wolfier than say, WO or other players.
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i honestly don’t understand the WO sus at all? Like the only reason I can see for suspecting them is that they’ve been ghosty? But I just searched their posts and all their posts seem to be pretty villagey to me? Has anyone made a strong argument for them other than they were on zenges wolf list and they’re a ghosty noob/low hanging fruit? (Which btw the most annoying arguments to me on these forums are always about forum metas and tone and like general posting behavior? Those all seem like a distraction from the stuff we have substance on [the votes people make and the potential intentions and rationales behind those votes]

And one more thing on the WO2 suspicion, as far as I can tell the people pushing wo the most are cray and true who are the top of my wolf suspicions. I guess samac too but there the argument is following zenges logic of suspecting low posters, while true and cray were pushing wox before.
 
Truenamer said:
Eh, there are 10 players, so 9 people to group, and humans like even groups and patterns and stuff.
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That’s why I don’t like it
Wolves tend to make their groups more symmetrical than someone who’s being organic
 
zuriburi said:
i honestly don’t understand the WO sus at all? Like the only reason I can see for suspecting them is that they’ve been ghosty? But I just searched their posts and all their posts seem to be pretty villagey to me? Has anyone made a strong argument for them other than they were on zenges wolf list and they’re a ghosty noob/low hanging fruit? (Which btw the most annoying arguments to me on these forums are always about forum metas and tone and like general posting behavior? Those all seem like a distraction from the stuff we have substance on [the votes people make and the potential intentions and rationales behind those votes]

And one more thing on the WO2 suspicion, as far as I can tell the people pushing wo the most are cray and true who are the top of my wolf suspicions. I guess samac too but there the argument is following zenges logic of suspecting low posters, while true and cray were pushing wox before.
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1) I didn’t like his intro into the game
2) he’s ghostly so he’s going to get dragged to end game unless he steps it up and villages really hard as misyeet bait if he’s village, or gets drug to the end and wins because he low posted and didn’t get voted out
3) his reads list is so symmetric
Do not like
 
samac said:
Is it bad my brain twitched just because it’s 3 people in each individual group and wolves tend to like groups of 3s? It’s probably nothing
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Feels weird to have < 3 in POE with a game that likely has 2-3 wolves. After that I guess it just happens to be that I only feel distinctly comfy about 3 of y'all
 
Are my reasons for reading O2 wolf strong? No
Do I have any strong reads this game? AM and fluff are village.
As for the rest wheeeee
 
zuriburi said:
i honestly don’t understand the WO sus at all? Like the only reason I can see for suspecting them is that they’ve been ghosty? But I just searched their posts and all their posts seem to be pretty villagey to me? Has anyone made a strong argument for them other than they were on zenges wolf list and they’re a ghosty noob/low hanging fruit? (Which btw the most annoying arguments to me on these forums are always about forum metas and tone and like general posting behavior? Those all seem like a distraction from the stuff we have substance on [the votes people make and the potential intentions and rationales behind those votes]

And one more thing on the WO2 suspicion, as far as I can tell the people pushing wo the most are cray and true who are the top of my wolf suspicions. I guess samac too but there the argument is following zenges logic of suspecting low posters, while true and cray were pushing wox before.
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I'm stewing over you, Woxy, and Vis today, and I'm willing to give fluff the benefit of the doubt on you for at least a day. I also appreciate posts like this, and would love to find out that you're a villager thinking like this.

I agree, I haven't done a clear job of laying out my thoughts on WOxy today. I'll ISO him some and see if it helps me think.
 
So after doing an ISO on woxy and finding nothing there strike me as wolfy I did the same for visc who was someone else that I just thought of as wolfy because of zenge’s suspicion of them and really can’t find anything that strikes me as wolfy. A lot of trying to figure things out slowly, landing on visc with why reads to me as sincere uncertainty and then suspecting fluff for her flip on me, which I understand reading as suspicious. All that said, given that there’s some time before close, I’m going to go with the person who has the actions and defenses of those actions that seem the most consistently wolflike to me, sorry true.
 
zuriburi said:
So after doing an ISO on woxy and finding nothing there strike me as wolfy I did the same for visc who was someone else that I just thought of as wolfy because of zenge’s suspicion of them and really can’t find anything that strikes me as wolfy. A lot of trying to figure things out slowly, landing on visc with why reads to me as sincere uncertainty and then suspecting fluff for her flip on me, which I understand reading as suspicious. All that said, given that there’s some time before close, I’m going to go with the person who has the actions and defenses of those actions that seem the most consistently wolflike to me, sorry true.
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This is interesting
 
Truenamer said:
If Woxy flips W, I still feel like Fluff/AM/Samac are genuinely villagers, and that the packmates are in the POE and neutrals.

Trying to decide how my feelings on Cray will shift in that case.
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If you're wolfing, I imagine it will come down to some calculus of how much I am sussing you vs how much you think you can rely on me for some town leader misyeets :heckyeah:
 
zuriburi said:
i honestly don’t understand the WO sus at all? Like the only reason I can see for suspecting them is that they’ve been ghosty? But I just searched their posts and all their posts seem to be pretty villagey to me? Has anyone made a strong argument for them other than they were on zenges wolf list and they’re a ghosty noob/low hanging fruit? (Which btw the most annoying arguments to me on these forums are always about forum metas and tone and like general posting behavior? Those all seem like a distraction from the stuff we have substance on [the votes people make and the potential intentions and rationales behind those votes]

And one more thing on the WO2 suspicion, as far as I can tell the people pushing wo the most are cray and true who are the top of my wolf suspicions. I guess samac too but there the argument is following zenges logic of suspecting low posters, while true and cray were pushing wox before.
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So somehow it's less valid that we're agreeing with Zenge? So the logic is, Zenge thinks WO is wolfy, which raises the odds WO is wolfy, but the read of WO being wolfy has less merit when True and Cray also think WO is wolfy?
 
zuriburi said:
So after doing an ISO on woxy and finding nothing there strike me as wolfy I did the same for visc who was someone else that I just thought of as wolfy because of zenge’s suspicion of them and really can’t find anything that strikes me as wolfy. A lot of trying to figure things out slowly, landing on visc with why reads to me as sincere uncertainty and then suspecting fluff for her flip on me, which I understand reading as suspicious. All that said, given that there’s some time before close, I’m going to go with the person who has the actions and defenses of those actions that seem the most consistently wolflike to me, sorry true.
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I guess now I need to figure out if this is clever or misguided.
 
samac said:
Is it bad my brain twitched just because it’s 3 people in each individual group and wolves tend to like groups of 3s? It’s probably nothing
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Its easy cause we're 9 (plus the posting person) but dividing people equally like that could be a wolf thing, since they have to come up with fake categories and reads
 
I find this theory about the wolf reads a little bit silly. I have never created a fake wolf reads list in that manner, like, ever. I go name by name, think about my agenda, who I want dead most, who I think I can yeet, who I can village read for village points, which of those I can backtrack on, threadstate, it's a whole calculus. Sure, you have to look over your fake leans to be sure you don't have too many or too few in each category, but you got to make sure the fake reads look OK from a logic standpoint primarily, has to pass a sniff test for believability first and foremost.
 
Crayola227 said:
I find this theory about the wolf reads a little bit silly. I have never created a fake wolf reads list in that manner, like, ever. I go name by name, think about my agenda, who I want dead most, who I think I can yeet, who I can village read for village points, which of those I can backtrack on, threadstate, it's a whole calculus. Sure, you have to look over your fake leans to be sure you don't have too many or too few in each category, but you got to make sure the fake reads look OK from a logic standpoint primarily, has to pass a sniff test for believability first and foremost.
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Just because you haven't doesn't mean no one has. There's more than one playstyle out there.
 
zuriburi said:
i honestly don’t understand the WO sus at all? Like the only reason I can see for suspecting them is that they’ve been ghosty? But I just searched their posts and all their posts seem to be pretty villagey to me? Has anyone made a strong argument for them other than they were on zenges wolf list and they’re a ghosty noob/low hanging fruit? (Which btw the most annoying arguments to me on these forums are always about forum metas and tone and like general posting behavior? Those all seem like a distraction from the stuff we have substance on [the votes people make and the potential intentions and rationales behind those votes]

And one more thing on the WO2 suspicion, as far as I can tell the people pushing wo the most are cray and true who are the top of my wolf suspicions. I guess samac too but there the argument is following zenges logic of suspecting low posters, while true and cray were pushing wox before.
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It's not just that. Ghosting the thread when you don't have much experience is easy esp, as a wolf, cause all you need to do is to survive. Like WOxy hasn't done anything that shouts wolf but then again, when you don't give justified reads or ideas, you're impeding game solving. Plus they are compatible with other suspicious players (cause those people have not interacted/ voted for them).

Its true, though that's that's their playstyle, and get misyeeted for that a lot. But they haven't played that many games.
 
Crayola227 said:
I find this theory about the wolf reads a little bit silly. I have never created a fake wolf reads list in that manner, like, ever. I go name by name, think about my agenda, who I want dead most, who I think I can yeet, who I can village read for village points, which of those I can backtrack on, threadstate, it's a whole calculus. Sure, you have to look over your fake leans to be sure you don't have too many or too few in each category, but you got to make sure the fake reads look OK from a logic standpoint primarily, has to pass a sniff test for believability first and foremost.
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But not everyone is as strategic as you. I ve fallen into the trap of just giving some sort of reads when ppl push me for it, without thinking too much and then pay for it.
 
justafluff said:
It's not just that. Ghosting the thread when you don't have much experience is easy esp, as a wolf, cause all you need to do is to survive. Like WOxy hasn't done anything that shouts wolf but then again, when you don't give justified reads or ideas, you're impeding game solving. Plus they are compatible with other suspicious players (cause those people have not interacted/ voted for them).

Its true, though that's that's their playstyle, and get misyeeted for that a lot. But they haven't played that many games.
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Could you remind me which games Oxy got misyeeted in?
 
So to follow that up, I find it hard to believe a wolf would be like, "OK, I have to group these so they are identical sized and perfectly symmetrical!"

This must be why I tend to wolf read samac. I feel like she floats these ideas that at best, it might be right wolf wrong reason even if she's correct. I don't think what she floats as how she's going to find the wolf logically, to be very logical. But that's OK, she's a good player, she has good feelz.

I don't know, once upon a time when I was playing I had very strong gut feels, and I felt like my earlier play was sort of dominated by trying to explain those feels, because that's really needed to convince others and play this game, explaining things in terms others can see, so it's sort of this ad hoc reasoning that happens sometimes.

It's kind of like depressed patients. They are sometimes depressed first and foremost, and that feeling has them searching for explanations, and then they identify things, like well gee my wife didn't take out the trash last night. The feeling is valid, but the explanation doesn't really seem to account for the feeling. Doesn't mean the feeling isn't real just because in truth, your wife not taking out the trash doesn't really account for the depression.

So I'm trying not to see what I see as flimsy rationales (usually a wolf sign) as wolfy from samac. I do know for a fact that Village Samac does this and it drives me nuts and makes me incorrectly read her.

But like, if anyone thinks this is a wolf samac thing, please correct me.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Just because you haven't doesn't mean no one has. There's more than one playstyle out there.
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I totally get that, and I did say that any wolf is likely to think about numbers here. But can anyone say that they do long division of the roster before creating a reads list?

"Oh, let's see, there's 9 players, divide that by 3 categories wolf village neutral, that equals 3. Golly, that sucks, because I was thinking I'd have 2 neutral reads and 4 wolf ones if I was playing organically! Guess I'll have to move a read to create perfect symmetry!!"

If anyone wants to come forward and say this is their wolf process, then I'll stand corrected.
 
Crayola227 said:
So to follow that up, I find it hard to believe a wolf would be like, "OK, I have to group these so they are identical sized and perfectly symmetrical!"

This must be why I tend to wolf read samac. I feel like she floats these ideas that at best, it might be right wolf wrong reason even if she's correct. I don't think what she floats as how she's going to find the wolf logically, to be very logical. But that's OK, she's a good player, she has good feelz.

I don't know, once upon a time when I was playing I had very strong gut feels, and I felt like my earlier play was sort of dominated by trying to explain those feels, because that's really needed to convince others and play this game, explaining things in terms others can see, so it's sort of this ad hoc reasoning that happens sometimes.

It's kind of like depressed patients. They are sometimes depressed first and foremost, and that feeling has them searching for explanations, and then they identify things, like well gee my wife didn't take out the trash last night. The feeling is valid, but the explanation doesn't really seem to account for the feeling. Doesn't mean the feeling isn't real just because in truth, your wife not taking out the trash doesn't really account for the depression.

So I'm trying not to see what I see as flimsy rationales (usually a wolf sign) as wolfy from samac. I do know for a fact that Village Samac does this and it drives me nuts and makes me incorrectly read her.

But like, if anyone thinks this is a wolf samac thing, please correct me.
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It's not. I'm pretty sure she's not a wolf this game, or she would be more pushy towards others esp the noobs.
 
justafluff said:
It's not just that. Ghosting the thread when you don't have much experience is easy esp, as a wolf, cause all you need to do is to survive. Like WOxy hasn't done anything that shouts wolf but then again, when you don't give justified reads or ideas, you're impeding game solving. Plus they are compatible with other suspicious players (cause those people have not interacted/ voted for them).

Its true, though that's that's their playstyle, and get misyeeted for that a lot. But they haven't played that many games.
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Didn't know they were a frequent misyeet for it. They are the definition of LHF then. ****.
 
Crayola227 said:
I totally get that, and I did say that any wolf is likely to think about numbers here. But can anyone say that they do long division of the roster before creating a reads list?

"Oh, let's see, there's 9 players, divide that by 3 categories wolf village neutral, that equals 3. Golly, that sucks, because I was thinking I'd have 2 neutral reads and 4 wolf ones if I was playing organically! Guess I'll have to move a read to create perfect symmetry!!"

If anyone wants to come forward and say this is their wolf process, then I'll stand corrected.
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The point samac was making was saying it could be AI because villagers typically don't care about symmetry in all categories.
 
justafluff said:
But not everyone is as strategic as you. I ve fallen into the trap of just giving some sort of reads when ppl push me for it, without thinking too much and then pay for it.
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Sure, people go off the cuff as well. That's still not the same thing as purposefully making one's read list perfectly symmetrical based on math. That is silly and artificial and if anyone does indeed do it exactly that way and wants to confirm they do, they'll get a coveted Cray haha react for it. I live to be surprised so not intended as mockery, just, cool. Love to be wrong.
 
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