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I know I irritate sporty on a regular basis (sorry sport sport, it’s not intentional) but I think the most she gets irritated with me is when she’s wolfing (marvel).
That might be memory bias tho
 
samac said:
Honestly? Not a god damn clue.
I don’t like her pushes today but I have no idea how to read her
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Look, I know you’re suspicious because I was voting with wolves today but I didn’t actually argue that True should be yeeted, and I stopped fluff from switching to a tie. wolf!genny wouldn’t act like that.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I don't realistically see an F3 scenario with samac alive. Not in a mountainous game. If wolves keep her alive, it's on their dollar, I guess.
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No, but consider any F3 that involved another villager voting WITH me, vs voting me for the loss. My point is, that an F3 will almost never consist of 2 players "in the village bloc." They will always take someone like me, genny, SP, mkg, visc, etc to the end game, and if it's a typical blocc person as the other villager, if villagers in the blocc don't figure out how to work with the "sketch" villagers, then the game is lost. We can't act like villagers outside the blocc don't matter somehow, is my point.
 
Crayola227 said:
No, but consider any F3 that involved another villager voting WITH me, vs voting me for the loss. My point is, that an F3 will almost never consist of 2 players "in the village bloc." They will always take someone like me, genny, SP, mkg, visc, etc to the end game, and if it's a typical blocc person as the other villager, if villagers in the blocc don't figure out how to work with the "sketch" villagers, then the game is lost. We can't act like villagers outside the blocc don't matter somehow, is my point.
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That's why we don't let the game get to F3. Find villagers quickly and relentlessly. Every cycle is hard hitting, especially D1. Most importantly, seek to clear yourself.
 
Truenamer said:
@genny, why are you feeling bad about me?
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This is the question I purposefully skipped to see if zuri or woxy would make a push for True.
genny said:
yes, it's a very wolfy thing you do as a villager.
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I did actually rebut zuri’s points about True.

So that’s why I voted where I did, to see what would happen, not because I actually thought we should yeet True.

It didn’t quite do what I wanted though because I wasn’t expecting fluff to offer to make the tie and now I don’t know what to do with that. Sporty also did test the waters about vote movement too.
 
genny said:
Look, I know you’re suspicious because I was voting with wolves today but I didn’t actually argue that True should be yeeted, and I stopped fluff from switching to a tie. wolf!genny wouldn’t act like that.
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Yeah I'm just not feeling wolf genny energy. I could be in her pocket. I know I put her on the ccc, but still.

Also, as this genny points out, she's been helpful. Working that out is kind of hard to explain exactly, because Wolf Genny is NOT helpful in a way that is not terribly obvious, it's less that she's actively harmful and more that she passively allows bad stuff to happen, or her active moves to hurt village are not very obvious without more info. More obvious in hindsight that way.

So the helpfulness of Village Genny is also sort of subtle in the way her lack of obvious harm/help is when wolf, and that helpfulness may not take the form of super accuracy in identifying wolves. What I'm trying to say, is that it's not always the result of genny action that shows her Aff, more like how she goes about things she does that are helpful/harmful to village.

Now, I feel confident that this is genny meta, the difficulty lies in determining what her intent is in a game, because like I said, the results may not be super obvious. Like Wolf Genny could vote ojt a wolf, and Villager Genny could be accidentally defending wolves.

Anyway I get village vibe genny so far, and deadD1!Zenge reads have not failed us so far, so I overall hesitate to abandon them over genny specifically.
 
I want to note that anyone can publicly "blocc" others. If you trust other villagers that haven't been brought up, say so. Make a case to get them inducted in the trust fund. This circles back to me asking to be defended D1.
 
Animal Midwife said:
That's why we don't let the game get to F3. Find villagers quickly and relentlessly. Every cycle is hard hitting, especially D1. Most importantly, seek to clear yourself.
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Well, the odds are higher if we have enough "sketch" people and not enough "blocc" people. What you're saying isn't wrong, I'm just saying we can't act like some villagers matter more than others just based on our own abilities to read them.

I can't read sport sport for crap generally, but if she is village this game she matters as much as anyone else.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I want to note that anyone can publicly "blocc" others. If you trust other villagers that haven't been brought up, say so. Make a case to get them inducted in the trust fund. This circles back to me asking to be defended D1.
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very good point and I would be happy to listen to village cases for other people.

I know I said I feel good about fluff but I also get weird vibes from her voting true but saying she wasn’t wolf reading him? Am confused.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I want to note that anyone can publicly "blocc" others. If you trust other villagers that haven't been brought up, say so. Make a case to get them inducted in the trust fund. This circles back to me asking to be defended D1.
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That is not what the post was about. I have deleted them. Carry on with the game.
 
Crayola227 said:
Well, the odds are higher if we have enough "sketch" people and not enough "blocc" people. What you're saying isn't wrong, I'm just saying we can't act like some villagers matter more than others just based on our own abilities to read them.

I can't read sport sport for crap generally, but if she is village this game she matters as much as anyone else.
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Then let's work hard to focus on the people who aren't cleared to see if it makes sense.

We got Oxy and he had no wolf game to reference and minimal posts. We can get the rest with similar efforts.
 
samac said:
very good point and I would be happy to listen to village cases for other people.

I know I said I feel good about fluff but I also get weird vibes from her voting true but saying she wasn’t wolf reading him? Am confused.
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Not sure what to do about that. Obviously I've been pinged but I think that's still an unpopular opinion.
 
samac said:
very good point and I would be happy to listen to village cases for other people.

I know I said I feel good about fluff but I also get weird vibes from her voting true but saying she wasn’t wolf reading him? Am confused.
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I didn’t vote True? I stayed where I was.
 
genny said:
This is the nicest way anyone has ever said I suck at wolf hunting lol :biglove:
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Was definitely not trying to say that!!!

Just, that I've also seen games lost because people applied the logic of "anyone defending a wolf is a wolf, and anyone attacking a wolf is village" and sometimes villagers are pushing or defending the wrong people.

That's why I'm saying it's someone's *process* that matters most.

Like, not sure where we are on Zuri, but that is an example where someone's process is helping them.

I go by that one mafia wiki article, about looking for intent to deceive. That's the real key.
 
I’m still leaning visc, but I’ve been playing okami for the vibes and I came across this pretty damning evidence of sport ponies looking pretty friendly with a wolf…
iCloud
 
Would have been ballsy I think if there are only 2 wolves for both to camp on Zuri and attach themselves to each other like that. If there are 3 there very well could be 2 on the zuri wagon.

Feel good about AM and fluff. AM would have tried to pry me off my vote and I don’t think fluff wound have bussed that early.
Feel pretty good about true, but I know he knows his antibussing stance has gotten him steam rolled. I think if he saw the writing on the wall he would bus. I don’t think there was clearly writing on the wall when he voted us though?
I feel pretty good about cray. I think there’s some level of paranoia with the sheep me and AM thing as an easy out as a wolf even if it lead to bussing but that is far from the most likely scenario in my head.
I feel pretty good about zuri. I dunno, the effort over this last day feels genuine.
I feel luke warn about genny. going With Zenge’s read I wanna push her village. I’m just really really not good at reading her. I’m not sure if I’ve ever caught her wolfing?

This once again leads me to Visc vs sporty. I’m finally caught up with patients so I’ll se what I can find.

If I was going to pick a busser on O2 I lean towards true, I think. Then cray.
 
WorthlessOxygen said:
POE: True (obviously), Zuri, Visc
I think I feel ok about: Fluff, AM, Samac
Leaving neutrals as: Genny, Sporty, Cray

Cray I especially don't know what to do with because I keep finding that 50-70% of her posts I agree with and the rest make no sense to me
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Perfect 3s.
Here’s the fun part. 2 wolves? I bet one is in Poe and one is in neutrals. 1? If I was a noob wolf I’d probably go neutrals.
 
Viscernable said:
Hm? Were you not planning on checking in at some point?
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WorthlessOxygen said:
Mostly was an actual apology for being absent/not even seeing until now
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Welp this is the only interaction between Visc and O2

And after going back through O2s post I take back the true could be bussing thing
Jk
If that was all wolfy theater true set himself up to never be trusted again.
 
Genny to/about o2
genny said:
I can't vote woxy, i feel like that's just mean. Dubz seems village. Tempted to vote zenge. i don't really want to yeet anyone today. can i be a conscientious objector today?
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genny said:
I would like to hear more from Vis, cray, and woxy. Especially votes from them.
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genny said:
I could get on board with this
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genny said:
this sounds like how i feel about reading cray most of the time.
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genny said:
that's the paranoid list, not the POE
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genny said:
but if woxy is his wolf partner, then not aggressively pushing a villager means solo noob wolfing if it's a duo. the push got more aggressive as we got closer to close.
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The only way I’ve ever caught sporty wolfing by the way is interaction checks after flips. If you want to look at examples there’s Marvel with fluff and then there’s MHA with zenge.
 
Oh damn, good choices were made! … I don’t know what to make of it because all I read yesterday was the tally to see if I had to self prez and memory bad, I don’t remember WO2 interactions. To be honest I really overcommitted, I might do some backreading once I get home tonight but real life might say no and I’ll end up voting based on just WO2 ISO
 
Viscernable said:
Oh damn, good choices were made! … I don’t know what to make of it because all I read yesterday was the tally to see if I had to self prez and memory bad, I don’t remember WO2 interactions. To be honest I really overcommitted, I might do some backreading once I get home tonight but real life might say no and I’ll end up voting based on just WO2 ISO
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I don’t like this
 
Night Two Write-Up
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From his vantage point in Sei'An City, Waka can see Oni Island, looming in the distance. Though the residents of the city are sound asleep, newly freed from a curse, Waka knows they are not necessarily safe. They may be completely oblivious to the danger, but they are at very serious risk.
He senses when the Brush Technique drains out of Amaterasu, just like he'd sensed her temporary triumph in battle. Such is the nature of a back and forth between two deities-- rather, between a deity and a farcical demon with an overinflated ego. The old fox is wily, to be sure, but Waka has faith in Amaterasu. No matter how bleak things seem, how weak she may feel, Waka knows her strength. At least, he hopes he does.
Just to be sure, he plays a quick melody on his flute, hoping the tune will reach Amaterasu and hearten her. Worry not, ma cherie. The darkest hour precedes the dawn.


Dead is @samac, who was Gekigami, VILLAGE Brush Technique #12 (Thunderstorm)

Players
1. @justafluff
3. @Animal Midwife
4. @genny
5. @Crayola227
8. @Viscernable
9. @zuriburi
11. @Truenamer
14. @SportPonies

Banished Forever
2. @WorthlessOxygen, WOLF Brush Technique (Iceblast)
6. @Zenge142, VILLAGE Brush Technique (Greensprout)
7. @WildZoo, VILLAGE Brush Technique (Crescent)
12. @samac, VILLAGE Brush Technique (Thunderstorm)
 
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