Okami WW Game Thread

[Lawpy]

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But lawpy what if 2 of the wolves were too busy and one of them was laying low?

It’s too self defeating because it puts the entire weight of the game on the 3rd wolf

 

[zuriburi]

Looking at the thread I’m now feeling pretty bad at genny. And I know I NEED to learn my lesson about shouting at the conventional wisdom here, but the main thing I thought to check was who was around at vote close and…

4:49am night close, no one is reacting to anything as far as I can tell an it’s just samac laying out her reads


5:01 genny shows up to throw some sus at fluff who I in my potentially biased eyes seems very village to me.


Also if we’re going with my initial assumption that vis and sporty are top candidates, I kinda think they might reconsider after seeing samac put them at the top of her wolf reads, wouldn’t hurt to nk am, cray, or true instead who are all pretty village cleared at this point by their woxy enthusiasm and also have experience and the ability to sway a thread.

the other thing supporting genny is their consistent participation in the alternatives to the wolf train while holding them at arms length… staying on the zenge vote and then unueeting at the last minute to not be in the final zenge tally but without joining the woxy train, and then later, engaging with my true push and bringing up valid concerns with it so as to not seem complicit, but also boosting some of my better points.

so, at the risk of face planting for a third time in favor of a misyeet I’m gonna

yeet genny

Also not sure if my point is 100% clear, but what I’m saying is that if we assume that night close is triggered by wolf actions (which I think seems the case given that we had an early night close on n1 and 6:49am et seems like a random time for night close), then anyone posting around the time of night close looks suspicious. Them posting while actively not engaging with any of samac’s posts and just trying to get a wagon started on someone I assume to be village looks triply wolfy.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Actually, wait. It is spewed that there are three wolves.

 

[SportPonies]

Actually, wait. It is spewed that there are three wolves.

Where?

 

[genny]

Also not sure if my point is 100% clear, but what I’m saying is that if we assume that night close is triggered by wolf actions (which I think seems the case given that we had an early night close on n1 and 6:49am et seems like a random time for night close), then anyone posting around the time of night close looks suspicious. Them posting while actively not engaging with any of samac’s posts and just trying to get a wagon started on someone I assume to be village looks triply wolfy.

no, this is called angleshooting and is 1 billion percent wrong. mods close when they want to.

 

[Lawpy]

Day 2: Leap Before You Think Tally

zuri (1)-- genny
Cray ()
Visc (3) - AM, Cray, Sporty
WO2 (3)- samac, fluff, True
fluff (1) - Visc
True (2) - WO2, zuri

10/10

Missing: n/a
Leading: @Viscernable & @WorthlessOxygen

Vote closes TODAY at 9 p.m. CST (~6.5 hours)

Tally at 3:26 PM

 

[zuriburi]

Actually, wait. It is spewed that there are three wolves.

If there were 2 wolves I would think woxy plus sporty, vis or genny, but most likely genny b/c of the night close timing thing.

if there were 3 wolves I would think genny and either sport or vis/lawp, leaning vis/lawp bc I assume wolf!sport might have chained my true push. I don’t think it would be vis + sport bc if it is sport has been playing a long con of keeping pressure on vis which seems like a strange strategy to be holding onto while a wolf!ox had all the vote on them.

 

[zuriburi]

no, this is called angleshooting and is 1 billion percent wrong. mods close when they want to.

Mods @kaydubs @potentialsheltervet is this kind of argument angleshooting? If so I’m happy to let it go. I feel like anything in the record of the forum posts seems fair game, but I’m new and happy to respect any rules.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Dead is @WorthlessOxygen, who was Icestorm, WOLF Brush Technique #3 (Iceblast)

 

[SportPonies]

Just tried to quote AM’s post like 12 times before I realized I can’t because it’s a quote. Smh

 

[zuriburi]

This game is completely fried my brain I just saw fluff brushing her teeth earlier than normal and thought “wolfy”

I thought that this was angleshooting.

 

[genny]

Actually, wait. It is spewed that there are three wolves.

but my technique is #11. And there are 12 players.

 

[Crayola227]

I just saw my alerts, and was like, tf is Lawpy quoting me? Did we all somehow die in the night and game over?????

 

[Animal Midwife]

but my technique is #11. And there are 12 players.

Oh. Well, it was a thought.

 

[Crayola227]

I thought that this was angleshooting.

Yeah kinda with outside game info. But it isn't really AI, so as long as no one is *actually* using it to read a player or it isn't actually reasonable to deduce anything from it, then I think we can all just take the joke.

I think if you saw her furiously typing away on her phone on SDN but wasn't active on thread at the same time and you shared that, for example, where people might conclude she was in wolf chat (although to be fair people do other things on SDN or PM outside the game) then that would be something to keep to yourself.

 

[kaydubs]

I thought that this was angleshooting.

No, that’s potentially talking about the game outside of the game

 

[Crayola227]

Not caught up. Thanks for making 4 pages already today lol

 

[kaydubs]

Mods @kaydubs @potentialsheltervet is this kind of argument angleshooting? If so I’m happy to let it go. I feel like anything in the record of the forum posts seems fair game, but I’m new and happy to respect any rules.

This is headed in that direction.

 

[kaydubs]

Not caught up. Thanks for making 4 pages already today lol

Blame Lawpy.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3: It Takes Two to Tango Tally

Lawpy (1)- Sporty
genny (1) - zuri

2/8

Missing: still more than a lot

Vote closes TOMORROW at 9 p.m. CST/10 p.m. EST (~32.25 hours)

 

[zuriburi]

This is headed in that direction.

Ok I’ll let it go. Sorry y’all. I get super obsessed with timestamps.

 

[justafluff]

It’s too self defeating because it puts the entire weight of the game on the 3rd wolf

It's not good for wolves but that doesn't mean it never happens.

 

[justafluff]

Also not sure if my point is 100% clear, but what I’m saying is that if we assume that night close is triggered by wolf actions (which I think seems the case given that we had an early night close on n1 and 6:49am et seems like a random time for night close), then anyone posting around the time of night close looks suspicious. Them posting while actively not engaging with any of samac’s posts and just trying to get a wagon started on someone I assume to be village looks triply wolfy.

It's a common noob mistake. At our noob game, the rules said it's actively discouraged to reach conclusions from someone's activity which is why they were recommending not to check if someone is active or not at a certain time (but if they react, it's ok, cause you get the notifications ). The thing is, it depends on the pack, and kill actions are submitted whenever the wolves decide, but that doesn't mean that night closes right then since mods need to construct a write up etc. When the game is close to the end, players can request an early day/ night close.

 

[justafluff]

@zuriburi another example of angleshooting is thinking that brush techniques #1 #2 and #3 are wolves for example and trying to solve the game by asking people what their number is.

 

[zuriburi]

i think if I take rationales based night close timing proximity off the table, then I think I’d have to weigh vis/lawp’s vote on the zenge train with me and true, as being the most wolfy thing so…

unyeet genny
yeet visc/lawpy

 

[Lawpy]

Ok i want to dump my thoughts here because this is bothering me in an HZD fashion but what I’m worrying about here is a classic misdirection in play

For those who don’t know, I have a bad track record of subbing in for players who dig a deep hole for me to climb out of, which pretty much always fails in my end. What’s particularly troublesome in this game is I’m repeatedly coming into conclusions that are so widely different from vissy’s and the fact that there’s somehow a unanimous sentiment worries me that we’re falling into a major misdirection here.

Wolf!Vissy games from Bowling, Pirates and the noob game have a significantly different style from the overtly irrational play I’m seeing here that I have to agree that pursuing Vissy here with regards to D1 vote behavior and the reversal of the zuris read over the zenges flip is in fact pursuing a LHF. The fact that Woxy suffered from similar problems doesn’t mean all the wolves are behaving in such a self-defeating manner, which is why the D1 events if anything further suggest the misdirection plot started once Woxy started being in serious danger and Vissy was slammed for irrationality.

Bussing dynamics in mountainous games is not unheard of (*cough* see the champs games *cough*) and just going by tone or radiant energy or whatever can actually solidify and accelerate the bussing dynamics even further.

That’s why i’m insistent that once Woxy was in clear danger since late D1, the Woxy D2 wagon is not pure.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ok i want to dump my thoughts here because this is bothering me in an HZD fashion but what I’m worrying about here is a classic misdirection in play

For those who don’t know, I have a bad track record of subbing in for players who dig a deep hole for me to climb out of, which pretty much always fails in my end. What’s particularly troublesome in this game is I’m repeatedly coming into conclusions that are so widely different from vissy’s and the fact that there’s somehow a unanimous sentiment worries me that we’re falling into a major misdirection here.

Wolf!Vissy games from Bowling, Pirates and the noob game have a significantly different style from the overtly irrational play I’m seeing here that I have to agree that pursuing Vissy here with regards to D1 vote behavior and the reversal of the zuris read over the zenges flip is in fact pursuing a LHF. The fact that Woxy suffered from similar problems doesn’t mean all the wolves are behaving in such a self-defeating manner, which is why the D1 events if anything further suggest the misdirection plot started once Woxy started being in serious danger and Vissy was slammed for irrationality.

Bussing dynamics in mountainous games is not unheard of (*cough* see the champs games *cough*) and just going by tone or radiant energy or whatever can actually solidify and accelerate the bussing dynamics even further.

That’s why i’m insistent that once Woxy was in clear danger since late D1, the Woxy D2 wagon is not pure.

Okay. What reasons do you have for everyone else to be clear that bussing is your first thought?

 

[justafluff]

Ok i want to dump my thoughts here because this is bothering me in an HZD fashion but what I’m worrying about here is a classic misdirection in play

For those who don’t know, I have a bad track record of subbing in for players who dig a deep hole for me to climb out of, which pretty much always fails in my end. What’s particularly troublesome in this game is I’m repeatedly coming into conclusions that are so widely different from vissy’s and the fact that there’s somehow a unanimous sentiment worries me that we’re falling into a major misdirection here.

Wolf!Vissy games from Bowling, Pirates and the noob game have a significantly different style from the overtly irrational play I’m seeing here that I have to agree that pursuing Vissy here with regards to D1 vote behavior and the reversal of the zuris read over the zenges flip is in fact pursuing a LHF. The fact that Woxy suffered from similar problems doesn’t mean all the wolves are behaving in such a self-defeating manner, which is why the D1 events if anything further suggest the misdirection plot started once Woxy started being in serious danger and Vissy was slammed for irrationality.

Bussing dynamics in mountainous games is not unheard of (*cough* see the champs games *cough*) and just going by tone or radiant energy or whatever can actually solidify and accelerate the bussing dynamics even further.

That’s why i’m insistent that once Woxy was in clear danger since late D1, the Woxy D2 wagon is not pure.

So you re saying that me, True or Cray could be wolves? Since you cleared AM

 

[Lawpy]

Okay. What reasons do you have for everyone else to be clear that bussing is your first thought?

Starting with this tie

Day 1: May the Fresh Scent of Flowers Protect You Always Tally

fluff ()
True ()
Zenge (4) - Zuri, True, Visc, genny
AM ()
DubZ (2) - Sporty, WO2
samac ()
Cray (1) - AM
WO2 (4) - Cray, Zenge, samac, Dubz

leading: @Zenge142 @WorthlessOxygen
Voting: 11/12
Missing: @justafluff
Vote close TODAY, 8/18 at 10 p.m. EST (~32 MINUTES)

Combining this with the result of Zenges’s flip and a continued deterioration seen in Woxy’s posts in D2 sets the stage that wolves anticipated Woxy was going to go down

 

[Lawpy]

So you re saying that me, True or Cray could be wolves? Since you cleared AM

Yes to you and Cray, Truey looks unlikely given that Woxy case but not impossible.

 

[justafluff]

Bussing is possible, but this doesn't prove there was bussing.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yes to you and Cray, Truey looks unlikely given that Woxy case but not impossible.

How do you feel about Cray being the first to vote Oxy?

 

[justafluff]

Yes to you and Cray, Truey looks unlikely given that Woxy case but not impossible.

But Cray waffled on and off WOxy on D1. I'm inexperienced, but Im under the assumption that bussing is a decision that's made when there is no alternative. There's worse evidence for Vis/ you or Sporty voting off wagon than going after potential bussers.

 

[zuriburi]

Ok i want to dump my thoughts here because this is bothering me in an HZD fashion but what I’m worrying about here is a classic misdirection in play

For those who don’t know, I have a bad track record of subbing in for players who dig a deep hole for me to climb out of, which pretty much always fails in my end. What’s particularly troublesome in this game is I’m repeatedly coming into conclusions that are so widely different from vissy’s and the fact that there’s somehow a unanimous sentiment worries me that we’re falling into a major misdirection here.

Wolf!Vissy games from Bowling, Pirates and the noob game have a significantly different style from the overtly irrational play I’m seeing here that I have to agree that pursuing Vissy here with regards to D1 vote behavior and the reversal of the zuris read over the zenges flip is in fact pursuing a LHF. The fact that Woxy suffered from similar problems doesn’t mean all the wolves are behaving in such a self-defeating manner, which is why the D1 events if anything further suggest the misdirection plot started once Woxy started being in serious danger and Vissy was slammed for irrationality.

Bussing dynamics in mountainous games is not unheard of (*cough* see the champs games *cough*) and just going by tone or radiant energy or whatever can actually solidify and accelerate the bussing dynamics even further.

That’s why i’m insistent that once Woxy was in clear danger since late D1, the Woxy D2 wagon is not pure.

Also why aren’t you more suspicious of I don’t know, any of the players that didn’t yeet the wolf… me, sportponies, genny?

 

[zuriburi]

i think if I take rationales based night close timing proximity off the table, then I think I’d have to weigh vis/lawp’s vote on the zenge train with me and true, as being the most wolfy thing so…

unyeet genny
yeet visc/lawpy

Oh and sorry i forgot to tag @kaydubs

 

[Lawpy]

How do you feel about Cray being the first to vote Oxy?

#### vote WO ####

I hate to put a vote down on noob given my recent feelings about noobs, but reading my rationale about how I feel about everyone, I wanna see what some pressure here does for now.

You mean the pressure vote on Woxy above? Engaged

 

[Lawpy]

#### vote WO ####

I hate to put a vote down on noob given my recent feelings about noobs, but reading my rationale about how I feel about everyone, I wanna see what some pressure here does for now.

Also the timing of this was on Thursday at 2:52 PM. Hold pls

 

[Crayola227]

Would have been ballsy I think if there are only 2 wolves for both to camp on Zuri and attach themselves to each other like that. If there are 3 there very well could be 2 on the zuri wagon.

Feel good about AM and fluff. AM would have tried to pry me off my vote and I don’t think fluff wound have bussed that early.
Feel pretty good about true, but I know he knows his antibussing stance has gotten him steam rolled. I think if he saw the writing on the wall he would bus. I don’t think there was clearly writing on the wall when he voted us though?
I feel pretty good about cray. I think there’s some level of paranoia with the sheep me and AM thing as an easy out as a wolf even if it lead to bussing but that is far from the most likely scenario in my head.
I feel pretty good about zuri. I dunno, the effort over this last day feels genuine.
I feel luke warn about genny. going With Zenge’s read I wanna push her village. I’m just really really not good at reading her. I’m not sure if I’ve ever caught her wolfing?

This once again leads me to Visc vs sporty. I’m finally caught up with patients so I’ll se what I can find.

If I was going to pick a busser on O2 I lean towards true, I think. Then cray.

People forget to what extent I had led a train on WO. While I am willing to bus, I don't think I've ever led a vote on a fellow wolf D1 or later in some attempt to "deep wolf" a la Stagg. Meaning, I tend to bus when forced to either mechanically or I see the writing on the wall about the wolf going down. I usually don't work to make the vote happen in any real regard.

 

[Animal Midwife]

You mean the pressure vote on Woxy above? Engaged

Yes. I don't think she ever moved unless I'm misremembering.

 

[Lawpy]

Yes. I don't think she ever moved unless I'm misremembering.

Navigating through phone, one moment pls

 

[justafluff]

Yes. I don't think she ever moved unless I'm misremembering.

She did during waffling, but ended up back on wOxy

 

[Lawpy]

Yeet Dubz

Spoiler

The last one I played: CYO where she stumped me

Mid July

@Animal Midwife these were all Woxy’s posts prior to the Cray pressure vote

What do you make of the possibility of Cray applying pressure on Woxy but as suspicion on Woxy intensified, Cray couldn’t readily back out without throwing herself in the radar?

Remember even though the Woxy wagon disintegrated at the tail end of D1, Woxy was widely viewed to be suspicious.

 

[Lawpy]

She did during waffling, but ended up back on wOxy

Where did Cray unyeet Woxy D1?

 

[Animal Midwife]

She did during waffling, but ended up back on wOxy

Who'd she waffle to?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife these were all Woxy’s posts prior to the Cray pressure vote

What do you make of the possibility of Cray applying pressure on Woxy but as suspicion on Woxy intensified, Cray couldn’t readily back out without throwing herself in the radar?

Remember even though the Woxy wagon disintegrated at the tail end of D1, Woxy was widely viewed to be suspicious.

I still would like an answer to this question.

Okay. What reasons do you have for everyone else to be clear that bussing is your first thought?

 

[Lawpy]

But Cray waffled on and off WOxy on D1. I'm inexperienced, but Im under the assumption that bussing is a decision that's made when there is no alternative. There's worse evidence for Vis/ you or Sporty voting off wagon than going after potential bussers.

No bussing just means wolves vote for their packmates. For any reason.

 

[Lawpy]

I still would like an answer to this question.

Everyone else is not in the clear just because I’m raising the bussing possibility.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Everyone else is not in the clear just because I’m raising the bussing possibility.

I would like to hear you talk about them as well then. Unless you believe every wolf bussed.

 

[Lawpy]

Also why aren’t you more suspicious of I don’t know, any of the players that didn’t yeet the wolf… me, sportponies, genny?

It’s not a comparative thing. The fact that I think Woxy was bussed in D2 doesn’t mean the Woxy offwagon voters are village or less wolfy. I’m strictly arguing against the point that the Woxy wagon is pure.

 

[Animal Midwife]

People forget to what extent I had led a train on WO. While I am willing to bus, I don't think I've ever led a vote on a fellow wolf D1 or later in some attempt to "deep wolf" a la Stagg. Meaning, I tend to bus when forced to either mechanically or I see the writing on the wall about the wolf going down. I usually don't work to make the vote happen in any real regard.

Ironic