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"I do agree that the multiple professors/syllabi for biochem really detracts from my enjoyment of the class. Also, I think it interferes with my ability to see the big biochem picture. The fact that about 1/3 of the professors have been really bad doesn't help things either."

I'm sure we have said it before, but the whole lecturer thing and the number of different professors gets so much better next semester with Phys and Neuro. In phys, basically one professor handles the test block, or at least an entire large section. For neuro, Dr. Blair has a big majority of lectures, and his syllabus is to die for.
 
I'm sure we have said it before, but the whole lecturer thing and the number of different professors gets so much better next semester with Phys and Neuro. In phys, basically one professor handles the test block, or at least an entire large section. For neuro, Dr. Blair has a big majority of lectures, and his syllabus is to die for.

Awesome speedo. You make me feel warm and fuzzy. I think that the thing about basic sciences is that biochem is a large department with only one class, so the profs have to gather around the trough to get their required teaching service in. Cell is a smaller department with a much larger teaching load, and phys is a tiny department. How does micro handle MMI? Becky seems to do a good job with the class, but I don't know how many faculty have teaching duties with that one.

What can you tell me about the post-dissection donor memorial luncheon (before or after the holiday break, where it is, etc.)? Also, is there some type of formal thing we have to attend in the spring?

Just out of curiosity, did the turnout for bar tour taper off? The first time I interviewed at OU in 2000, they told me that drug companies used to subsidize the med student bar tab on Friday afternoons. Must be a thing of the past.

{exlaw}
 
Does anyone have an opinion about which course would be most beneficial to take before starting med school?

My course planning will only let me take one or the other and I'd like to take the one that will offer the best long-term payoff.
 
Does anyone have an opinion about which course would be most beneficial to take before starting med school?

My course planning will only let me take one or the other and I'd like to take the one that will offer the best long-term payoff.

Hands down Embryology, but as has been said a thousand times on this forum, med school will teach you what you need to know in med school 🙂 If I were you, I'd take a slacker class. If you HAVE to take something med school related, go ahead and take Embryo, but avoid hard work if possible 🙂 Virology is less than half of one test block of MMI, so I really wouldn't waste time on that-- you will learn it in much greater detail than you need to know for med school, and you'll have forgotten it all by second year when you actually take MMI.
 
Does anyone have an opinion about which course would be most beneficial to take before starting med school?

My course planning will only let me take one or the other and I'd like to take the one that will offer the best long-term payoff.

Most others will tell you to enjoy your free time before med school and that nothing will give you a long-term payoff. I don't share this view, but I am repeatedly vetoed here, so I'll leave it at that.

The undergrad viro courses in this state are typically subpar as far as actual medical knowledge is concerned, but you might consider it as a pud elective. My undergrad viro was more comprehensive than the MS2 material (untrue for pathogenic bacteriology), but I can't endorse the OSU or OU viro classes. At this med school, most on this forum say that embryo is the easiest class to do well in during the first semester even though a lot of students hadn't had any premedical embryo. If you're considering another medical school, it is not uncommon for micro to be part of the first-year curriculum and/or embryo to be taught as part of another class.

I am a science guy, and I wouldn't go so far to say that viro would be a waste of time if you have a possible interest in internal medicine and you engage in study habits that support application-based concept learning rather than a cram and forget approach. You might consider the time requirement for laboratory in either class as well as the professors teaching. Those things would matter more to me than trying to focus on what percentage of future med school attention is given to either subject matter.
 
Does anyone have an opinion about which course would be most beneficial to take before starting med school?

My course planning will only let me take one or the other and I'd like to take the one that will offer the best long-term payoff.

If those are your only choices, I'd go with embryology. I had a decent embryo class in high school, and I really feel like it helped take some of the load off the fall semester of last year. Don't fall under the illusion that trying to preload yourself pre-matriculation will make a huge difference, though. Medical school is a beast no matter how you prepare. The advice I give pretty much everyone is don't go crazy trying to learn it all before you get here. You still have to take all the tests.


As for one of the other posts about MMI, it's really hit or miss. It's pretty much in the same boat as biochem was in that the faculty/staff get told what to teach and hopefully it's close/relevant to their specialty. We've had some good ones, but we've also had some bad ones. I think the saving grace is that most of the lecturers only have a 4 or 6 hour block, so they don't really tip the scales much either way (unlike in pharmacology where we had waaaay to much of one guy for this past test block.)

The donor memorial service for us was scheduled pretty early in January. It's up to your class officers to decide on the details - the Vice President, in particular, is charged with sorting out most of it with a little bit of help from Student Affairs. I don't know how ours worked out cause I found out our family wasn't going to make it, so I didn't go. It was an evening affair, though, with coffee and desserts... and I think a string quartet or something? 😕 I'm pretty sure I spent that night freaked out about what the hell was going on in neuro. :scared:
 
What can you tell me about the post-dissection donor memorial luncheon (before or after the holiday break, where it is, etc.)? Also, is there some type of formal thing we have to attend in the spring?

{exlaw}

Yeah, sorry I went with the flames. Steinberg is making me a cranky person.

I thought the first anatomical donor luncheon was really neat, but I think the next one might be a big weirder since we've actually dissected their family member. 😱
 
I'm sure we have said it before, but the whole lecturer thing and the number of different professors gets so much better next semester with Phys and Neuro. In phys, basically one professor handles the test block, or at least an entire large section. For neuro, Dr. Blair has a big majority of lectures, and his syllabus is to die for.

That's good news. Since phys and neuro are supposedly so much harder than what we're taking now, good professors and consistency sounds nice.
 
Yeah, sorry I went with the flames. Steinberg is making me a cranky person.

I thought the first anatomical donor luncheon was really neat, but I think the next one might be a big weirder since we've actually dissected their family member. 😱

Steinberg... heh. I hate to be so crude, but I really think he's the bottom of the barrel as far as the biochem professors go.

Don't worry, there is light at the end of the tunnel. You've got Fuller now who is just awesome, then after a brief encore of Dr. Hanas, Dr. Knehans comes in for the finale. Even though some of Dr. Knehans stuff is kind of nebulous I really enjoyed his lectures.
 
Steinberg... heh. I hate to be so crude, but I really think he's the bottom of the barrel as far as the biochem professors go.

Don't worry, there is light at the end of the tunnel. You've got Fuller now who is just awesome, then after a brief encore of Dr. Hanas, Dr. Knehans comes in for the finale. Even though some of Dr. Knehans stuff is kind of nebulous I really enjoyed his lectures.

Yeah, I figured it had to get better from now on out. I for one am very glad that our test over Steinberg's stuff is only worth 12% of our grade.
 
Steinberg... heh. I hate to be so crude, but I really think he's the bottom of the barrel as far as the biochem professors go.

Don't worry, there is light at the end of the tunnel. You've got Fuller now who is just awesome, then after a brief encore of Dr. Hanas, Dr. Knehans comes in for the finale. Even though some of Dr. Knehans stuff is kind of nebulous I really enjoyed his lectures.

Same Dr. K that teaches Nutrition as an Undergrad course at OU?! I hope so. I really liked him, so I'm looking forward to that - although the material probably isn't comparable.
 
Same Dr. K that teaches Nutrition as an Undergrad course at OU?! I hope so. I really liked him, so I'm looking forward to that - although the material probably isn't comparable.

Yeah, it's the same guy - and I wouldn't be surprised if the material is fairly similar. He didn't get very in-depth with us. I think the best part was listening to him complain about the fact that he had to teach us about all the weird herbal stuff :laugh:
 
Same Dr. K that teaches Nutrition as an Undergrad course at OU?! I hope so. I really liked him, so I'm looking forward to that - although the material probably isn't comparable.

Hey there--feel free to ask us more questions about stuff. We've been engaging in a lot of talk between 2009 and 2010 students, but last year's thread looks like it was more active on the prospective student side of things. You can ask us about what we are doing to preserve bird life on campus.
 
Same Dr. K that teaches Nutrition as an Undergrad course at OU?! I hope so. I really liked him, so I'm looking forward to that - although the material probably isn't comparable.

We even looked up Dr. Knehans questions on the OU undergrad test bank. There were some similar.

Just a hint for you 2010ers that still have access to OU's website.
 
Can you guys please explain mods to me again? I didn't really grasp their function when I was on the tour. I was too busy thinking about how my interview went.
 
Are you biochem homeschoolers listening to lectures?

I have been, but I'm way behind and I don't know how productive it has been.

If lecture isn't helpful the first time, I'm not sure why I think it will be at twice the speed...
 
Are you biochem homeschoolers listening to lectures?

I have been, but I'm way behind and I don't know how productive it has been.

If lecture isn't helpful the first time, I'm not sure why I think it will be at twice the speed...

I'm not because I heard Steinberg's weren't helpful. Anyway, I figure I get everything I need from reading notegroups in less time than listening to the lecture. And I'm lazy. 🙂
 
Can you guys please explain mods to me again? I didn't really grasp their function when I was on the tour. I was too busy thinking about how my interview went.

Mod is short for learning module. Everyone gets assigned to one before school starts, and the assignment appears to be random. Each mod has its own room, and every student gets their own desk in the mod. It's meant to be a way for students to get to know each other and to have a specific place to hang out at at school.
 
So it's essentially a place for you to study with other people?
 
So it's essentially a place for you to study with other people?

Yeah, it's kind of like homeroom in med school. You have a class called PCM that is with 1/2 of your mod and is held in the mod (note I'm using the word mod to refer to both the people and the room), and the dissection groups are made of people in the same mod. Embryology lectures are broadcast to TVs in the mods. Lots of mods have fridges, couches, etc. It's a place to study/hang out while you are at school. Although I get the feeling that it's more hanging out than studying. If I were going to study on campus I would do it in the library, less distractions.
 
I'm not because I heard Steinberg's weren't helpful. Anyway, I figure I get everything I need from reading notegroups in less time than listening to the lecture. And I'm lazy. 🙂

here we are, nearly a quarter done with the base of pre-clinical science we are supposed to have, and I'm still having difficulty trusting some of our notegroups' authors. I have them (=paid for them) but I don't use them. I feel like I paid WAY too much for audio files, since I rarely look at the paper/docs, but I listen to lectures. I'm just finding that to be less and less helpful.

Just trying to refine my system a little so I'm not completely at the bottom of the class when the people who are end up in 2011...
 
Are you biochem homeschoolers listening to lectures?

I have been, but I'm way behind and I don't know how productive it has been.

If lecture isn't helpful the first time, I'm not sure why I think it will be at twice the speed...

I just read the syllabus. I gave up on the notegroups and lectures at the end of the first block.
 
Mod is short for learning module. Everyone gets assigned to one before school starts, and the assignment appears to be random. Each mod has its own room, and every student gets their own desk in the mod. It's meant to be a way for students to get to know each other and to have a specific place to hang out at at school.

I'd believe it was totally random except in our mod there is an older firefighter/paramedic and 3 people originally from 2009. I think there is a little, "Let's put so and so together," but prolly very little. Kinda like seed crystals...

It's funny though because it really limits the people I get to know outside of my mod. Like even the intermod lunches we polarize like kids at a junior high dance. And I made a few friends in the mod today: she asked if anyone else approached the enzyme/substrate stuff differently. We had, so I raised my hand, but I wasn't a presenter!! I was just a not-so-technical Inspiration consultant...They tried to "kill with their death-rays" but I live with a post-partum brunette; I eat death-rays for breakfast!!

We try to go to dinner before bar tour, so that the folks that don't do the bar scene can mingle too, but we've been slacking lately. I think everyone feels used up...
 
I just read the syllabus. I gave up on the notegroups and lectures at the end of the first block.

Right on.

Are you the poet?

Like Quasimoto, I've got a hunch...

If so, could you introduce yourself to the attention-starved Duroc (232?) that always wears the pink creature to test block? He keeps calling me by some pet-name he has for you, but I don't wanna break his heart by telling him there is no way I a: am creative enough to pen such prose, or b: know enough about biochem to make it 5% coherent. I feel like the guy in the Bud Light commercial; "Me? I'm not in the band." I'm just here for the 2 points I get from shooting a laser beam at the chalkboard...

Is it that hard to look at our composite pictures?
 
Can you guys please explain mods to me again? I didn't really grasp their function when I was on the tour. I was too busy thinking about how my interview went.

The module rooms themselves seem like they were once teaching laboratories. Rumor has it that they used to have cadavers in them that they could roll in and out of the room. Nowadays there are no wet laboratory assignments in there. The doors are locked (ID entry), and your desk has locking drawers. Each room has two school-owned Dell Optiplex desktops with mucho security. There are guidelines for decoration, but some module rooms interpret them more liberally than others. There are nine or ten modules with between fifteen and twenty students each.

You will participate in white-coat ceremony with the module, and during your cloaking, they will read the biography of the physician who is memorialized by your module room. You will also sit with your module when patients are present at biochemistry lectures.

Our class's website in case you want to look at pictures: (I am not in any of them.)

http://w3.ouhsc.edu/com2010/

We are represented heavily on facebook, so you can make friends with us there if you want to see more pics.

I see modules as a way for the school to sort the students into set groups so that they can more easily arrange group assignments. In most cases this year, the cadaver assignments (each cadaver is assigned to 8 students) coincide with same-module members. Problem-based learning assignments are given to module halves (north side gets the room for an hour, then the south side gets to use the room while the facilitator stays). Likewise for our first-year clinical class--top half of the alphabet gets the room for Tuesday, bottom half for Thursday. Different clinical instructors.

I realize that you will probably not remember this beyond today, but I am bored.
 
I'd believe it was totally random...

I can't see much in common among my module--very conservative, raunchiness ought be kept to a minimum. I would say that half went to OU, but such applies to the whole class. I don't have much in common with any of them except that I am a research pariah on campus, and one of the mudphud students is in with me. I enjoy talking to him like Sam Elliott to Patrick Swayze in "Roadhouse." I give him all of my sage advice on how to pick an advisor and stuff.

It's funny though because it really limits the people I get to know outside of my mod.

Agree big time. I've started emailing new people I meet when I sit down next to them at tests. If they'd stop asking for protective orders after I do it, I might meet some of them.

Are you the poet?

I updated my public profile when glp made it clear that time spent on maintaining anonymity was wasted here. Click on Ozzie to confirm your hunch. (Wizard = former resident of the little apple who chatted on the board about the Texas loss.)

If so, could you introduce yourself to the attention-starved Duroc (232?) that always wears the pink creature to test block?

Attention-starved duroc? If it is the now thick-bearded chico who dressed up as a girl at the Halloween party, he should know me. He ate at my table during some luncheon with Tulsa Non-Trad and I. The only other durocs I am familiar with are cute girls who don't return my myspace messages and Joe who knows me.

Is it that hard to look at our composite pictures?

Trudat. I wish they would have told me that they are doing pics with lab coats now. They used my photo from when I worked for the biochem department in 2003.
 
Attention-starved duroc? If it is the now thick-bearded chico who dressed up as a girl at the Halloween party, he should know me. He ate at my table during some luncheon with Tulsa Non-Trad and I. The only other durocs I am familiar with are cute girls who don't return my myspace messages and Joe who knows me.

Well, he knows you, but I'm pretty sure that's who Freeze is talking about. I guess you've missed the pig wearing. 😉

Speaking of notegroups, they're wrong probably too frequently, but I think they're a good supplement to the syllabus for me. Usually, it's just a way to read pretty similar material a second time. I think they're especially useful when the syllabus is really bad (umm, say Broyles, Hanas and now Steinberg). Well, "especially useful" might be strong, but useful.
 
Z-Rizzle and C-Rizzle sound a lot alike; maybe I wasn't giving enough credit to my significant cut and paste skills and he was truly impressed by my plagarism of Rumsfeld wisdom.

But I'm pretty sure between the two poems in MSI chat this past week, Rumsfeld's, although it speaks volumes about the administration and our intelligence in Iraq, pales in comparison to tales of protein romance.

Therefore, I will no longer answer to my former nombre, and from this point forward be known as the more phonetic "Zulu-Rizzle" in an effort to alleviate any further socially awkward interactions with fellow classmates...
 
Thanks for all the info on the mods! Do you all have any info about how to get a leadership position in med school? How do you go about getting elected as a class officer and when do they hold elections,etc?
 
There are no pictures on that page, but I know several people in the 2010 class from high school. Thanks for the mod info.
 
For 2011er's, notegroups are a voluntary (but nearly universally subscribed-to) network of note-taking students. You can subscribe to online availability of the notes only or opt to have a paper copy also stuffed in your mailbox. I don't remember what the fee is (wanna say $175 for full service), but it might change next year. Each module has a designated "stuffer" (person who puts the notes in mailboxes) and a "taper" (person who records the lecture in mp3 format and puts it online for us). Every other participating student is responsible for 30-60 minutes of lecture time 2-3 times each semester. I pay somebody to do mine for me. Students who make errors or don't name their files appropriately get fined. The notegroup chair is a paid office.

As an aside, you will also see us write about "the syllabus" which at our place also consists of all of the lecture supplements for the semester. Imagine a syllabus that costs $40 and is 500 pages long. (Some classes just put their syllabus online instead of making you buy it.) Right now there is an 09 IHI student laughing saying "I wish 500 pages, maybe per block!" The comprehensiveness of the syllabus varies per lecturer and per class.

So we have mp3's of the lectures and notegroups for the subscribers (which includes all of the 2010 students who I know, but I know an 09er or 2 who aren't in on it) in addition to a syllabus and hippocrates (which houses our powerpoints). If you want to use a textbook in addition, then there are plenty to choose from.

The main point to emphasize is that there is a set vault of knowledge that will be tested on in both our exams and the USMLE, and you have to find a way to integrate it into your grey matter somehow. The lecture is just one way to get the information, and attendance to most classes is not monitored nor required. Labs, classes when we have guests, and group projects are exceptions.

As a result, there are some people who try to make it to class all the time, and there are others who "homeschool" (get the content via the Internet). Then you have people like me who ONLY focus on the biochem syllabus and Chung's gross anatomy book (when I'm not procratinating or working).
 
Thanks for all the info on the mods! Do you all have any info about how to get a leadership position in med school? How do you go about getting elected as a class officer and when do they hold elections,etc?

If you want to be treasurer, you have to have been a CPA for a long time, otherwise, you may suffer a landslide defeat. But that may not happen in your class.

I think we held them the 2nd or 3rd week or so. Everyone gets up and gives a little spiel about what they bring to the table, then we had a few days to vote on blackboard. There isn't any campaigning allowed other than that and word of mouf...
 
There are no pictures on that page, but I know several people in the 2010 class from high school. Thanks for the mod info.

Click on photos on the top. Works for me anyway.

Thanks for all the info on the mods! Do you all have any info about how to get a leadership position in med school? How do you go about getting elected as a class officer and when do they hold elections,etc?

There are elections during the first two-three weeks. Each candidate gets to speak for two minutes while we eat pizza. Can't speak to the second year process.

In the case of our class, the person who got the most votes for president made the most jokes during his speech. It's November, and I still can't tell you who our Vice President is. Half of our class is from OU, but that didn't seem to matter when Tulsa NonTrad was running for Treasurer (bad idea to run against a real CPA).
 
I'm a 50% home schooler, and I have to say as it gets closer and closer to each test block I find myself at home more and more. Not because I'm studying more, but because I can't stand going to school at those times. You can get a high in lecture anatomy tests just by reading Chung's over and over until you have it memorized (for some people this is once or twice, for some many times). Chung's anatomy review videos do an excellent job, supplement this with your favorite atlas and you'll get good grades in the practical. Our class (2010) seems to do well on multiple-choice tests, but you put them in a room with a list of structures, and they have a bit of a hard time. If you find your weaknesses early, you can have a good first semester.

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Wizard, let's say I want to do some research (preferably in radiation onc or radiobiology) as a way to sweeten the deal to get into a competitive residency. I have zero research experience.

Who should I talk to? Should I go right up to someone and say "Hey, I want to be your research slave."
 
Oh I should make it clear that I am actually interested in the science and I am not just looking to using this as a tool to get a better residency application.
 
Oops, overlooked the links at the top.
 
Our class (2010) seems to do well on multiple-choice tests, but you put them in a room with a list of structures, and they have a bit of a hard time.

I am the total opposite, as I'm scoring 20 points higher on practicals than I am on some of my MC tests...
 
Hey, all. Just wanted to let you know that I got an interview offer for Nov. 30. Hopefully, I don't screw it up like I did last time! Time to learn about all of the problems in medicine / HMOs / scientific inventions / blah blah blah... I didn't think I'd get an interview until Jan, but hey, this works for me! I am thrilled to think that I might get into med school before Christmas... keeping my fingers crossed that I don't get deferred & then waitlisted again. Yuck!

2 weeks to prep for my interview? 😱 Ah, well I think I do them better when I don't prepare, except for the aforementioned issues.
 
Do some mock interviews with friends and check out the interview section of this site. Sorry to hear that last year didn't turn out well. Hopefully you can turn that to your advantage this time around. Congrats and good luck!
 
Wizard, let's say I want to do some research (preferably in radiation onc or radiobiology) as a way to sweeten the deal to get into a competitive residency. I have zero research experience.

Who should I talk to? Should I go right up to someone and say "Hey, I want to be your research slave."

The first thing you should do is not accidentally send a dean's secretary an insulting email that you meant to send to somebody else. Yeah, I had a little chat with one of our dean's this afternoon. I recommend it, really. Nothing like the mention of the dirty word UNPROFESSIONAL slapped across your dean's letter before you've even finished a semester.

Brief Wizard autobiography.... I've had very few problems in life that didn't start with an inappropriate email.

Most of the advice that I get is to wait until third year to worry about research. Almost everyone I've ever talked to says that to stay competative, focus heavily on learning the step 1 material during the preclinical years. Some say do the summer honors thing between MS1 and 2, others say it's worthless save for the stipend. It would depend a lot on what scientist you are paired with. Some are better than others.

For rads, there is a guy affiliated with Baptist who is very student-friendly. The interest group crowd for rads recommends him highly as long as you are serious about rads. Medicine is a lot easier to find research opportunities in and generate publications than basic sciences, but I'm not as knowledgable regarding clinical research around here as I am with the basic science departments. Unfortunately, I have a very big mouth and lack self control when it comes to speaking about professors around here, so it would not be a good thing to say "Wizard recommended me to you" to anybody.

Edit:

After reading this again, I realize that you said "rad onc" rather than diagnostic rads. The Baptist dude is an interventionalist (I think).

Um, for rad onc, I don't know much except that right now OU does not offer PGY in that specialty. It is tough both because there just aren't many programs for it. They will probably have at least a couple of PGY-2 ready slots by 2010, but whether or not it will be up for NRMP at that time is foreign to me.

If you are going to do research as a med student, the PI will know that you are doing it just to make your match more competative since, after all, your educational time is already pre-determined. It is not like the basic sciences where you don't get to leave a project until you are finished or published. The good thing is this. They are often excited that you are interested in their work, and they usually are happy to have you for as long as you can make time. They've been in your shoes, and since the PI's on campus have already made a conscious choice to at least have an academic component to their career, they will be receptive to your interest. Keep in mind, though, that anything you put on your application is fair game for an interview, so if you just go through the motions, you will be made to look like an idiot when you can't answer follow-up questions. (BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.)

Love ya. Hit me back IRL sometime dawg.
 
Hey, all. Just wanted to let you know that I got an interview offer for Nov. 30. Hopefully, I don't screw it up like I did last time! Time to learn about all of the problems in medicine / HMOs / scientific inventions / blah blah blah... I didn't think I'd get an interview until Jan, but hey, this works for me! I am thrilled to think that I might get into med school before Christmas... keeping my fingers crossed that I don't get deferred & then waitlisted again. Yuck!

2 weeks to prep for my interview? 😱 Ah, well I think I do them better when I don't prepare, except for the aforementioned issues.

I'm pulling for ya! :luck: Both of us got the pressure interview last year, so you know the worst it can be. You might get one of those chatty laid back friendly interviews like 75% of applicants here seem to get. 🙂
 
I am the total opposite, as I'm scoring 20 points higher on practicals than I am on some of my MC tests...

Bleh, I had an 18% point spread between my anatomy written and practical score last time with the written being harder. I actually did well on the first practical after thinking I failed it, but I just got spooked on the second. Not to mention I freaking miscoded the peroneus longus, you guessed it, twice. I didn't bother to recheck the code the second time since I was giving the same answer. Doh! Of course, I also didn't put down the stupid lateral sacral artery answer because it wasn't on the list. Needless to say, I was one of those 20 people who voted to do away with the list for the practical.
 
I'm pulling for ya! :luck: Both of us got the pressure interview last year, so you know the worst it can be. You might get one of those chatty laid back friendly interviews like 75% of applicants here seem to get. 🙂

Thanks, exlaw. Yeah, I am hoping I'll get your average interviewers the second time around! Also, what will help immensely is that I've now interviewed at two med schools, got waitlisted for both, did the pre-med evaluation this year... the other two interviews went marvelously. I'm particularly pleased about the pre-med interview b/c they wrote me an excellent LOR, I do believe. They thought I was funny, unlike OU's Adcom... ah well. I feel that my chances are better this year. No mock interviews for me this time; I overdid those last time & it blew up in my face! At the "reapplicants workshop" OU does, they told me my interviewer's thought I was defensive and rehearsed..... so, I'm going for open and honest... Other than learning a little bit about socialized medicine & yadda yadda... Anyways! Long comment, lo siento. At least I have something to be very thankful for for Thanksgiving! 🙂
 
Bleh, I had an 18% point spread between my anatomy written and practical score last time with the written being harder.

There has been no trend for me regarding anatomy grades. They have been all over the place. I am mathematically eligible for an A, but I have decided that I really don't care about the material that much. Rote memory is not for me. With all of the talk about AOA and grades, I think that it will help me in the long run to just take a B. Honestly I think that putting in the extra effort for an A would be silly since these class exam averages are close to a 90 and the top quartile looks to be near a mid 90. So even if people think that they are AOA safe and will just work harder next semester, they are still not top quartile with a 91 and will lose the anatomy tie-breaker if AOA requires more than a 4.0 (not atypical here). So why stress about keeping the "GPA" perfect? I of course don't expect anybody else to understand my logic, but since I have no respect for a grading scale where half of the class gets the top grade (whatever you call it), it will suit me best to bow out of the 90th percentile right away. This is the easiest it's gonna be! A 90 effort this year will probably be worth an 80 this time next year. I need to arrange it so that I can assimilate well for step I and not worry about where the school draws the A line.

Also bothersome is this goofy pie chart in the unofficial guide used to justify why third year is more important grade-wise. It will not contribute to junior AOA, nor will good 3rd year grades contribute to an outstanding step 1, which is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing that residency programs will look at. You can also erase the piece for year 4 entirely. I think that you can tell by now that I detest 90-80-70 (and perhaps test blocks in general). I enjoy competition among peers as much as the next guy, but just put a bowl of points on the table and go by the total number of questions answered correctly at the end of the day and call it good. Better yet, just use step 1 for junior and step 2 for senior. We're not in college anymore. The end point is so much more important than how we got there.

How do I get on these tangents all the time......

They thought I was funny, unlike OU's Adcom... ah well. I feel that my chances are better this year. No mock interviews for me this time; I overdid those last time & it blew up in my face! At the "reapplicants workshop" OU does, they told me my interviewer's thought I was defensive and rehearsed..... so, I'm going for open and honest... Other than learning a little bit about socialized medicine & yadda yadda... Anyways! Long comment, lo siento. At least I have something to be very thankful for for Thanksgiving! 🙂

In my experience, getting creative at any step in any application process has been a bad move. Keep everything as vanilla as possible.

I can't really recommend rehearsing or brushing up on anything for an interview. As long as you've had some good exposure to healthcare, then I don't think that you will be rejected because you didn't know something specific. I think that interviewers are often prompted by red flags in application files, and this is what turns them into interviewers from hell. They are doctors, and when they see an alarm that will strengthen something on a differential, they will zoom in on it and try to confirm. If you look like a stellar wannabe doc on paper, I think that is when you get an afternoon at grandma's house. I don't really think that OU has any kind of standard questions unlike some schools. One place I was at, they literally read questions off of a piece of paper.
 
There has been no trend for me regarding anatomy grades. They have been all over the place. I am mathematically eligible for an A, but I have decided that I really don't care about the material that much. Rote memory is not for me. With all of the talk about AOA and grades, I think that it will help me in the long run to just take a B. Honestly I think that putting in the extra effort for an A would be silly since these class exam averages are close to a 90 and the top quartile looks to be near a mid 90. So even if people think that they are AOA safe and will just work harder next semester, they are still not top quartile with a 91 and will lose the anatomy tie-breaker if AOA requires more than a 4.0 (not atypical here). So why stress about keeping the "GPA" perfect?

This is what I try to tell myself when I study Steinberg's material, which I'll make my daily rant about. 👎 I want an A in anatomy, though. It's totally irrational, but I want it. I feel like I should end this statement with an evil laugh. Bwahaha!
 
This is the easiest it's gonna be! A 90 effort this year will probably be worth an 80 this time next year. I need to arrange it so that I can assimilate well for step I and not worry about where the school draws the A line.

Also bothersome is this goofy pie chart in the unofficial guide used to justify why third year is more important grade-wise. It will not contribute to junior AOA, nor will good 3rd year grades contribute to an outstanding step 1, which is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing that residency programs will look at.

If I wasn't already in a downward spiral toward rock bottom, reading this would get me there. 😀

Also aiding my descent is the knowledge that of all the questions on Step 1, maybe 10 will be from the class (singular) that I'm okay with my performance in...the rest will prolly be about membranes and pyrimidine synthesis 🙄

It feels a lot like when I had to run an 800 M leg of a 3200 M relay because someone was sick; I'd never ran more than 400. I gave it everything I had, but the people in front of me just kept getting smaller and smaller...
 
If I wasn't already in a downward spiral toward rock bottom, reading this would get me there. 😀

Also aiding my descent is the knowledge that of all the questions on Step 1, maybe 10 will be from the class (singular) that I'm okay with my performance in...the rest will prolly be about membranes and pyrimidine synthesis 🙄

It feels a lot like when I had to run an 800 M leg of a 3200 M relay because someone was sick; I'd never ran more than 400. I gave it everything I had, but the people in front of me just kept getting smaller and smaller...

Oh, cheer up! The most heavily represented areas on step 1 (by far) are pathophys, phys, and pharm. You haven't had any of those yet!! So you should wait until you fail your first Holliman test to start fretting about step 1 😉 You'll pull it all out in the end 🙂 (Just be glad you're not staring down the barrel of step 1 right now... I'm a little tense about it.)
 
Oh, cheer up! The most heavily represented areas on step 1 (by far) are pathophys, phys, and pharm. You haven't had any of those yet!! So you should wait until you fail your first Holliman test to start fretting about step 1 😉 You'll pull it all out in the end 🙂 (Just be glad you're not staring down the barrel of step 1 right now... I'm a little tense about it.)

I bet!
 
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