OMM program rankings

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lol....I am sorry to laugh at this thread....but lol.

Dont worry about schools based on OMM....its all going to be similar everywhere.
 
Your best bet would be to do some research on OMM fellowships and D.O.'s who actually use OMM in their practice. I don't think you'll get any hard-and-fast rankings, but you should be able to figure out what school looks best for you. I'd also take anything a pre-med says about OMM with a grain of salt (myself included); we really don't know what we're talking about. 🙂
 
You guys don't seem to share my enthusiasm for OMM haha. My goal is to get an OMM/NMM residency! D.O. fellowship opportunity is definitely a good thing to ask for, thx gimp.

I guess I should look into what schools send the most people the OMM/NMM residencies?
 
acegerter said:
I've done a bit of browsing already but I'm just curious how you guys would rank schools based on their OMM programs.
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MSU, KCOM, NYCOM, PCOM, UNTCOM all have pure NMM/OMT residencies in house. see below:


http://opportunities.osteopathic.or...essionid=f030dc7b6f4e8cb727a85825474435d42100

A bunch of other schools have NMM+1 resideincies where you do 1 year of OMT post grad and then a residency in a primary care area. check out http://opportunities.osteopathic.org for more info.

Also you don't need a fellowship/residency in OMT to use it in practice. As long as you're knowledgeable with the billing and you're "ok" at it, its quite easy to incorporate into a primary care practice model.
 
donkeykong1 said:
MSU, KCOM, NYCOM, PCOM, UNTCOM all have pure NMM/OMT residencies in house. see below:


http://opportunities.osteopathic.or...essionid=f030dc7b6f4e8cb727a85825474435d42100

A bunch of other schools have NMM+1 resideincies where you do 1 year of OMT post grad and then a residency in a primary care area. check out http://opportunities.osteopathic.org for more info.

Also you don't need a fellowship/residency in OMT to use it in practice. As long as you're knowledgeable with the billing and you're "ok" at it, its quite easy to incorporate into a primary care practice model.
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Choose the school you are most comfortable at with the most affiliated NMM/OMT or +1 residencies.

Also, NYCOM offers an 1 year OMM fellowship between 2nd and 3rd year of med school (if you are really really interested in OMM). I'm sure others do as well; I just don't know about them.
 
DwightSchruteDO said:
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Choose the school you are most comfortable at with the most affiliated NMM/OMT or +1 residencies.

Also, NYCOM offers an 1 year OMM fellowship between 2nd and 3rd year of med school (if you are really really interested in OMM). I'm sure others do as well; I just don't know about them.
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NYCOM and OUHCOM both offer this. As a fellow, you're also expected to teach the lab portion of OMM at OU.
 
AZCOM also has an OMM fellowship, but I've never really felt like OMM is one of our fortes, especially since the OMM questions tend to be our weakest in the COMLEX series. That may be a reflection of the student population more than anything else, though, as most people here seem to be receptive to OMM but very few people get excited about it.
 
here is the list so far

NYCOM
OUHCOM
AZCOM
Touro-NY (this is pretty new, I don't think anyone applied for it last year)
 
DwightSchruteDO said:
here is the list so far

NYCOM
OUHCOM
AZCOM
Touro-NY (this is pretty new, I don't think anyone applied for it last year)
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I actually advised an interviewer to start this at a touro-ny interview back in the fall ha ha and she was like well i don't know if students will be interested. glad to see they've started it there.

Also when students take on an OMM fellowship or NMM/OMT residency they will most definitely be in demand when it comes to becoming OMM Professors/instructors at COMs. People with real good OMM training are hard to come by, that's why I think these fellowships were started.
 
acegerter said:
You guys don't seem to share my enthusiasm for OMM haha. My goal is to get an OMM/NMM residency! D.O. fellowship opportunity is definitely a good thing to ask for, thx gimp.

I guess I should look into what schools send the most people the OMM/NMM residencies?
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Some of us just have had extremely poor experiences with OMM while DO students...thats all.
 
Wonder why AZCOM has it and CCOM doesnt... hmmm...

I think CCOM has a OMM/Family Medicine Program. But the NMM/OMM does sound kinda cool. Goodluck with your decision.
 
UNECOM has a very good OMM department and clinical teaching. They also have the undergrad OMM fellowship. It's pretty competitive for the sake of getting your final years paid for and for the fact that, in addition to teaching OMM/seeing clinic, they also are heavily involved in teaching anatomy (predominantly in the lab).

While I have my healthy skepticism about aspects of OMM, I thought it was tought well and far more open mindedly than other programs have a reputation for (i.e. they acknowledged and were respectful of differing opinions. This is, after all, the school where Hartman and Norton teach)

They have a FM/NMM residency of their own (though I'm not sure how strong the FM residency is) as well as a straight NMM residency (post-TRI).
 
DMU. Not because I am biased, but on my interview, DMU boasted about how much more OMM you would get there than many schools. Something like 200 hours vs. the 50-80 elsewhere. Plus they have the OMM fellowship stuff.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
DMU. Not because I am biased, but on my interview, DMU boasted about how much more OMM you would get there than many schools. Something like 200 hours vs. the 50-80 elsewhere. Plus they have the OMM fellowship stuff.
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I could be wrong, but I think it is part of every AOA approved DO school to provide 200 hours OMM. I could be wrong, but I feel I read that somewhere. Feel free to correct.
 
200 is on the low end if anything. That would be roughly 2 1/2 hours per week. My school has 4 hours per week, so roughly 320 hours over 2 years with breaks and such included.
 
sylvanthus said:
200 is on the low end if anything. That would be roughly 2 1/2 hours per week. My school has 4 hours per week, so roughly 320 hours over 2 years with breaks and such included.
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don't remember the actual numbers, but they told us numerous times that the OMM was more than twice what other schools offer. My interview was in the middle of september so don't consider the numbers as fact.
 
sylvanthus said:
200 is on the low end if anything. That would be roughly 2 1/2 hours per week. My school has 4 hours per week, so roughly 320 hours over 2 years with breaks and such included.
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This is very true...some schools offer only 1 hour of lecture and 2 hours of lab per week; others have 2 hours of lecture and 4 hours of lab per week.

It would be interesting to know which school has the most hours of OMM per week over the course of the first 2 years.
 
DMU usually does 1 hour of lecture a week (once in a while 2 hours) and 1.5 hours of lab a week.

They also have a fellowship program.
 
My opinion is you shouldn't pick a school based on these findings. There is an infinitely good chance you'll become frustrated with your college's OMM program and won't want to apply at all to OMM/NMM residencies (which there are relatively few of), won't want to be a fellow and spend significant time with the OMM department and will regret spending excess time on OMM when you could have spent that time doing something more rewarding such as sleeping, shopping, or exercising..
 
Bacchus said:
My opinion is you shouldn't pick a school based on these findings. There is an infinitely good chance you'll become frustrated with your college's OMM program and won't want to apply at all to OMM/NMM residencies (which there are relatively few of), won't want to be a fellow and spend significant time with the OMM department and will regret spending excess time on OMM when you could have spent that time doing something more rewarding such as sleeping, shopping, or exercising..
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Bacchus said:
My opinion is you shouldn't pick a school based on these findings. There is an infinitely good chance you'll become frustrated with your college's OMM program and won't want to apply at all to OMM/NMM residencies (which there are relatively few of), won't want to be a fellow and spend significant time with the OMM department and will regret spending excess time on OMM when you could have spent that time doing something more rewarding such as sleeping, shopping, or exercising..
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Couldnt have said it better. I couldnt imagine being a fellow and spending time with certain members of our OMM dept all day for an extra year.
 
I wouldn't pick any school based on OMM department. However, on a somewhat related note, if you're certain you want to NMM I'd utilize opportunities in medical school to be exposed to/rotate through fields relevant to OMM but will give you more broad exposure and understanding to issues related to OMM (e.g. orthopedics, pain management, sports med, ER, PM&R, rheumatology, neurology, etc.) that would do your education better than OMM for school, since you'll be exposed to that and then some all throughout residency.
 
Thanks a ton for the responses guys. Definitely have given me more to think about.
 
acegerter said:
You guys don't seem to share my enthusiasm for OMM haha. My goal is to get an OMM/NMM residency! D.O. fellowship opportunity is definitely a good thing to ask for, thx gimp.

I guess I should look into what schools send the most people the OMM/NMM residencies?
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I share your enthusiasm. So here's some more food for thought.

-Don't look into what schools send the most people to NMM residencies. There are at least two people from my school (LMU-DCOM) who are enthusiastic about OMM who want to do surgery. Maybe they'll do an NMM+1 year later, maybe not, but they'll use OMM in their future practice. Match lists won't reflect overall interest in OMM.

-Osteopathic medicine ultimately is learned through mentors. School, conferences, and courses are the initial introduction to them. Then you'll find out what's out there, through books, articles, the AAO (American Academy of Osteopathy), etc. They'll guide you to the people who can best help your interests.

-If you're going to look at schools based on OMM, look at the breadth of what's taught. There are a lot of different ways to treat a dysfunction. Some are better than others or more appropriate for a particular patient than another; sometimes you need a backup. But every new technique is also a new palpation skill or way of looking at a problem, and you become a lot more facile at how you consider things and better able to innovate. Ask graduates what kinds of techniques they learned or what they remember. Maybe it's mostly direct techniques (muscle energy, HVLA, "popping things"), maybe it's more subtle stuff. You need both. The breadth is more important than the total hours. Mine had a ton, and there was still plenty of repetition.

-I've taken some courses through the Barral Institute (because the AAO doesn't hold these as regularly), which are open to physical therapists, massage therapists, etc (anyone with any kind of license to touch...). Based on exposure to them, you have no idea just how much your medical school coursework on embryology, histology, physiology, pharmacology, pathology, etc. will inform your OMM and understanding of what's going on, as well as let you recognize all they're wrong about even if the technique works. Make sure your school is good at these too.

-There are some MDs out there who are osteopaths. One even took the OMM labs at MSU-COM while attending MSU's nearby MD school. It's harder, but it is possible.

-For info from current students at each school who are enthusiastic about OMM, download the SAAO chapter notebook from http://www.academyofosteopathy.org/uaao/notebook and E-mail the club officers. Ask about workshops, how they get practice, what the faculty are like and what they learn in the curriculum, etc.

Like the others said, don't pick your school based on just the OMM department. But do make sure that OMM and osteopathic medicine are important to the school, because they're important to you. (No matter how much DMU-COM might talk up their OMM department, they also say there's no difference between allopathic and osteopathic, and that attitude gets reflected in their students.) Hopefully you'll be able to use this to decide between multiple schools with good basic sciences. In the end, medical school is what you make of it, and that includes you making something of OMM while you're there.
 
Badgers326 said:
DMU usually does 1 hour of lecture a week (once in a while 2 hours) and 1.5 hours of lab a week.

They also have a fellowship program.
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I'm jelous, we've got 4 hours a week at COMP 😴

We also have a fellowship that stretches your 3rd and 4th years out to 3 years and you don't pay tuition for that time. Our OMM faculty are pretty cool, it's just not my thing.
 
Styria said:
I share your enthusiasm. So here's some more food for thought.

-Don't look into what schools send the most people to NMM residencies. There are at least two people from my school (LMU-DCOM) who are enthusiastic about OMM who want to do surgery. Maybe they'll do an NMM+1 year later, maybe not, but they'll use OMM in their future practice. Match lists won't reflect overall interest in OMM.

-Osteopathic medicine ultimately is learned through mentors. School, conferences, and courses are the initial introduction to them. Then you'll find out what's out there, through books, articles, the AAO (American Academy of Osteopathy), etc. They'll guide you to the people who can best help your interests.

-If you're going to look at schools based on OMM, look at the breadth of what's taught. There are a lot of different ways to treat a dysfunction. Some are better than others or more appropriate for a particular patient than another; sometimes you need a backup. But every new technique is also a new palpation skill or way of looking at a problem, and you become a lot more facile at how you consider things and better able to innovate. Ask graduates what kinds of techniques they learned or what they remember. Maybe it's mostly direct techniques (muscle energy, HVLA, "popping things"), maybe it's more subtle stuff. You need both. The breadth is more important than the total hours. Mine had a ton, and there was still plenty of repetition.

-I've taken some courses through the Barral Institute (because the AAO doesn't hold these as regularly), which are open to physical therapists, massage therapists, etc (anyone with any kind of license to touch...). Based on exposure to them, you have no idea just how much your medical school coursework on embryology, histology, physiology, pharmacology, pathology, etc. will inform your OMM and understanding of what's going on, as well as let you recognize all they're wrong about even if the technique works. Make sure your school is good at these too.

-There are some MDs out there who are osteopaths. One even took the OMM labs at MSU-COM while attending MSU's nearby MD school. It's harder, but it is possible.

-For info from current students at each school who are enthusiastic about OMM, download the SAAO chapter notebook from http://www.academyofosteopathy.org/uaao/notebook and E-mail the club officers. Ask about workshops, how they get practice, what the faculty are like and what they learn in the curriculum, etc.

Like the others said, don't pick your school based on just the OMM department. But do make sure that OMM and osteopathic medicine are important to the school, because they're important to you. (No matter how much DMU-COM might talk up their OMM department, they also say there's no difference between allopathic and osteopathic, and that attitude gets reflected in their students.) Hopefully you'll be able to use this to decide between multiple schools with good basic sciences. In the end, medical school is what you make of it, and that includes you making something of OMM while you're there.
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man, you're a hard core A.T Stiller 🙂
 
sylvanthus said:
The fact that we mention this guys name as if he is some prophet or has some semblance to Jesus disturbs me on so many levels. Feel like I should have bowed to his statue when I walked in OMM lab.
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But he's like... the only MD/DO in history. It's obvious he created osteopathic medicine to add more letters after his name.
 
Iliketoytles said:
But he's like... the only MD/DO in history. It's obvious he created osteopathic medicine to add more letters after his name.
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Actually there are a lot of MD/DO's. NYCOM (i'm sure other schools have one as well) has the Émigré Physician Program (EPP) where they retrain FMGs as DOs for whatever reason.
 
I'm surprised there has not been much talk about KCOM OMM on this forum. I mean, we are the school that founded OMM! We have a 120 year history of developing and teaching the stuff. I know nothing about the OMM at other schools, but I do know that our department is the best! Obviously, I am not biased haha. We get 4 hours/week of OMM, and we have such amazing teachers that really know their stuff. Also, have you seen our lab? It is such a great learning facility. We also have a paid fellowship between 2nd and 3rd year to refine your skills and teach students. Finally, we also have an NMM/OMM residency at the hospital. I throughly enjoy the OMM at KCOM, even if I do get a bit frustrated sometimes that I have to study OMM when I should be studying something else. If you decide to come here, you are definitely going to learn a lot!
 
Superman DO said:
I'm surprised there has not been much talk about KCOM OMM on this forum. I mean, we are the school that founded OMM! We have a 120 year history of developing and teaching the stuff. I know nothing about the OMM at other schools, but I do know that our department is the best! Obviously, I am not biased haha. We get 4 hours/week of OMM, and we have such amazing teachers that really know their stuff. Also, have you seen our lab? It is such a great learning facility. We also have a paid fellowship between 2nd and 3rd year to refine your skills and teach students. Finally, we also have an NMM/OMM residency at the hospital. I throughly enjoy the OMM at KCOM, even if I do get a bit frustrated sometimes that I have to study OMM when I should be studying something else. If you decide to come here, you are definitely going to learn a lot!
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We bought Kuchera and we have the brothers Nicholas.
 
This whole thread has suddenly side-bent right lol....
 
acegerter said:
You guys don't seem to share my enthusiasm for OMM haha. My goal is to get an OMM/NMM residency! D.O. fellowship opportunity is definitely a good thing to ask for, thx gimp.

I guess I should look into what schools send the most people the OMM/NMM residencies?
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We have a pretty solid OMM program here at LMU-DCOM. I know we have matched students with OMM residencies too.
 
I'm pretty confident in saying CCOM has one of the best departments out there. Many of our students choose not to use OMM which is fine but if you are looking for a school which can expand your opportunities to learn/practice with some of the best then consider CCOM.
 
obbobbo said:
We have a pretty solid OMM program here at LMU-DCOM. I know we have matched students with OMM residencies too.
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Two of our omm/anatomy fellows at lmu-dcom matched into surgery. I am starting my fellowship year soon and will most likely apply to med-peds or pm&r programs which may require me to sit out the osteopathic match since pm&r is dominated by allopathic residencies. There are many students who, conversely, are not fellows but will be auditioning at osteopathic programs that provide more support for those wishing to practice OMM. So, there's no strict correlation between your interest in OMM as a student or fellow, and your decision making process when it comes to your career. I will say I wouldn't have found OMM to be so rewarding a skill set to learn had it not been for the OMM staff here.

Best of luck wherever you end(ed) up.
 
jcrewtriathlete said:
Two of our omm/anatomy fellows at lmu-dcom matched into surgery. I am starting my fellowship year soon and will most likely apply to med-peds or pm&r programs which may require me to sit out the osteopathic match since pm&r is dominated by allopathic residencies. There are many students who, conversely, are not fellows but will be auditioning at osteopathic programs that provide more support for those wishing to practice OMM. So, there's no strict correlation between your interest in OMM as a student or fellow, and your decision making process when it comes to your career. I will say I wouldn't have found OMM to be so rewarding a skill set to learn had it not been for the OMM staff here.

Best of luck wherever you end(ed) up.
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Allopathic PM&R is the most DO friendly field, so sitting out of the AOA match and getting into a high ranked university program ( Maybe high connections to fellowships) isn't really a negative. :laugh:
 
serenade said:
Allopathic PM&R is the most DO friendly field, so sitting out of the AOA match and getting into a high ranked university program ( Maybe high connections to fellowships) isn't really a negative. :laugh:
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I'm aware of that. The ACGME *programs* don't match til well after the AOA scramble. Just trying to point out that your involvement in OMM components as a Med student don't always dictate your outcome, residency-wise.
 
jcrewtriathlete said:
I'm aware of that. The ACGME *programs* don't match til well after the AOA scramble. Just trying to point out that your involvement in OMM components as a Med student don't always dictate your outcome, residency-wise.
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Skip the AOA match then. And it's all about the Steps.
 
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