Overrepresented Minorities

[efle]

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Historically white women benefited the most from AA in employment, college acceptance and wages. It is beyond the limited talk about medical school admissions but it can be seen historically in admissions as well. Look at women's acceptance rates in the 70s versus now.

Ah gotcha. I think now for undergrad also the median stats are similar but maybe its still a big part in hiring?

 

[WonderGrill]

Kinda off topic but...are goro and efle friends?

 

[WingedOx]

I'm late to the thread. Have people complained that it's unfair that the SES levels for accepted URMs is similar to that of white people?

 

[Seth Joo]

Hello guys, as an overrepresented minority who feels that medical schools should emphasize socioeconomic status over other factors that may be currently be in place, I was wondering how you guys feel about this issue? I have known a people in minority groups who have well off well educated parents and have grown up in good environments so I feel they should just be treated the same as someone else in the same socioeconomic status and not based on factors such as race. I have also known overrepresented minorities who have grown up with poor parents and bad environments and feel that these people should be treated the same as an underrepresented minority growing up under similar conditions.I am willing to accept that I must score higher and look better on paper than someone who grows up in the inner cities because I am of middle class and have better access to resources, but I really cannot stand someone who grows up in a good wealthy environment with well educated parents and have good access to resources have a significant over me because they are underrepresented when it should go to that underrepresented kid in the inner city who worked his butt off despite having to deal with family problems and neighborhood gang issues as a child.

Why are we talking about this? Socioeconomic status plays a role in getting into a good college, it costs money to apply to college, it costs even more money to apply to graduate school. So the system favors those with the economic resources. Life ain't fair.

Asian Americans are over represented relative to their numbers in the general population at most major universities and graduate schools, that being said not all Asian groups fare well. Immigrants from countries like Cambodia and Laos do not fare as well as immigrants from Taiwan, Korea, and Japan, who tend to be the most affluent Asian Americans. Many Japanese in America come here for some adventure, we really could do well back home as Japan is a rich country, many people from China and Korea come here because there is much greater opportunity in the US.

Same with immigrants from India, the amount of opportunity in the US is a lot more.

 

[piii]

The policy clearly exists, is not based upon merit, is definitely unfair, yet still no one complains.
But God forbid Medicine tries to help correct a health disparity problem which negatively impacts people of color, and people here complain.




Sure they do. Yet Asians are still vastly ORM in Medicine, and AA, certain Hispanics, Hmong and Cambodians are URM. Oh, nobody ever bitches about the "rich Hmong who got into med school" either. I suppose ire towards URM policies is only for when it benefits people of a particular national origin?

I've never heard the term "red lining" applied to an Asian neighborhood like mine, nor have I ever heard the term "driving while yellow", have you?


To play Devil's Advocate though, do you honestly believe that Asians don't experience racism?

When you say "AA", do you mean Alcoholics Anonymous? Cause I need that after this thread..

 

[Goro]

I'd like him/her as my student. It would make for an interesting Class.

Kinda off topic but...are goro and efle friends?

 

[efle]

I think of Goro as that awesome grandpa with lots of sage advice and an attitude

The only thing we really disagree on is whether there are big differences in rigor between universities

 

[el_duderino]

I think of Goro as that awesome grandpa with lots of sage advice and an attitude

The only thing we really disagree on is whether there are big differences in rigor between universities

I cannot overstate the difference in rigor between Elite Private University and Mid-tier State. It's gargantuan.

 

[efle]

Not sure if serious...

 

[WedgeDawg]

Not sure if serious...

I would like to clarify that my like for that post is assuming that it is indeed serious.

 

[ZedsDed]

I cannot overstate the difference in rigor between Elite Private University and Mid-tier State. It's gargantuan.

You know I was just thinking people in this thread don't have enough to fight about.

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

@efle his comment is serious. He's stated this several times in other gpa threads.

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

You know I was just thinking people in this thread don't have enough to fight about.

An efle thread is way better than a URM thread imo

 

[efle]

He must love your signature too then

 

[Banco]

Oh look. Another ORM thread.

You shouldn't have reminded pre-allo of the monthly quota in the last AA thread.

 

[efle]

Just wait for the day I start a URM thread...

I also appreciate that threads on university rigor is just called "an efle thread"

 

[el_duderino]

Not sure if serious...

I've done 50+ credits at a state university and highly-ranked private university. I've also done 16 credits at a CC. Oh, and a year of a US MD school.

My opinion is based solely on my experiences at those four institutions. The level of rigor scales smoothly from "can get an A skimming the material the night before the test without ever having gone to class" to "oh my god."

 

[efle]

I've done 50+ credits at a state university and highly-ranked private university. I've also done 16 credits at a CC. Oh, and a year of a US MD school.

My opinion is based solely on my experiences at those four institutions. The level of rigor scales smoothly from "can get an A skimming the material the night before the test without ever having gone to class" to "oh my god."

Is "oh my god" the elite undergrad or the MD? I've heard both directions from a few med students I've spoken to

 

[Banco]

Will WonderGrill totally lose her s*** when she comes back from work? Will efle ever figure out why WashU deflates so much? Will Goro gather enough support for a final AA themed spirit bomb?

Find out on the next episode of DragonBall Z. *cue music*

 

[el_duderino]

Is "oh my god" the elite undergrad or the MD? I've heard both directions from a few med students I've spoken to

The MD. The elite undergrad is situated firmly between State U and MD. I was in an engineering program there, and maintaining an A average was difficult. Rather difficult, in fact. I probably put more average hours into schoolwork there than during MS1.

Getting straight As at State U was easy as pie and involved almost no effort besides showing up to class most of the time.

CC was a joke.

 

[Winged Scapula]

This thread has run its course as people seem to be unable to keep their cool.