PANICKING! School forcing me to defer or transfer

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Pezeveng said:
I will send you a message. I shouldn't have mentioned the name of the school here. I love this school soo much. My mind was spiriling very fast in the morning and I felt shamed to discuss on the facebook page especially when I found the upperclassman to be unhelpful even when I messaged them directly. 12 hours have passed since I spoke to Touro in the morning and it has given me a chance to breathe and relax and remind myself why I want to be a physician and why I want to go to NYC and what my goals are and remind myself that a school, any school, is more than a few secretaries. It's the faculty, the students, the location, the experience and that's what's important. I hope everyone reading this understands this, especially @AnatomyGrey12 and other students applying. I believe the Touro-Harlem is so incredibly unique. This entire situation is happening precisely because more people fell in love with the school than what the school expected. It's hard not to like and appreciate this school when you visit. The reason why so many people are getting emotional about this is because we want Touro-Harlem so badly. We're fighting because going to this school is worth it. I don't even know if I'm making sense anymore. ahhhh
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Thank you, I look forward to hearing from you. As you can probably tell, I'm an incoming first year who's also pretty anxious about this whole thing. I'm worried, but I also want to get the facts as straight as possible.
 
Should probably phone record all conversations with them


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hellobello18 said:
Verrrrrry interesting. All I can say is that I was an actual Touro student. The masters program is an SMP so we took all of the first year classes excluding OMM and PD. So I'm VERY familiar with the school, with the staff, with the administration. Whatever that's going on with you guys is not normal, most likely not ethical, and honestly not surprising. Do you think this type of thing happens at other schools? It makes sense to be panicked but it'd be helpful if you were realistic too. How is it even possible for someone to be screened, interviewed, and accepted only to be told months later that they have deficiencies in their application? Anyway...

Please be sure to update us in 6 months or so because I'd love to hear if you're still on this "I love Touro sooo much" campaign.
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What you have said coincides with what i have heard about the school from current 3rd and 4th years. Honestly, my school's administration is not the best (to say the least), but after hearing about some of the problems consistently from different Touro-NY students and students from another DO school, its starting to really make me wonder if that's much more common than I thought.

The fact that this is happening to multiple students, whether its 3 or 10, and the fact that it comes shortly after an email asking people to switch to Middletown because of capacity concerns and overaccepting students is suspicious and concerning enough.

It is routine for schools to overaccept students, but it's very rare for this not to be corrected from regular student withdrawals this late in the year. As I said, in past I've heard of schools correcting this by offering scholarships for students that defer. Also, if we're assuming the 40 student number is correct, that's huge.

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Should probably phone record all conversations with them

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Depending on the state, this may be illegal. I would caution against doing this without knowing the legal ramifications.
 
What sucks is if you turn down an interview or acceptance elsewhere, there's almost no way you can get in the following cycle. You either have to go somewhere you didn't bother applying, or go to a school that's already making up rules to screw you over.

Say what you want about LECOM, guys...


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I was waitlisted at Touro-Harlem and accepted at Nova-COM. BLESSING IN DISGUISE. I wish you the best of luck during this awful moment.
 
hallowmann said:
What you have said coincides with what i have heard about the school from current 3rd and 4th years. Honestly, my school's administration is not the best (to say the least), but after hearing about some of the problems consistently from different Touro-NY students and students from another DO school, its starting to really make me wonder if that's much more common than I thought.

The fact that this is happening to multiple students, whether its 3 or 10, and the fact that it comes shortly after an email asking people to switch to Middletown because of capacity concerns and overaccepting students is suspicious and concerning enough.

It is routine for schools to overaccept students, but it's very rare for this not to be corrected from regular student withdrawals this late in the year. As I said, in past I've heard of schools correcting this by offering scholarships for students that defer. Also, if we're assuming the 40 student number is correct, that's huge.



Depending on the state, this may be illegal. I would caution against doing this without knowing the legal ramifications.
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NY has a "one-party consent" law which enables you to do so. As long as sender or receiver consents to record then it is ok. If you are the sender, clearly you are consenting. In addition you can write down conversations and sign/date them and they are submissible to a court as evidence. You just have to be sure you are within a one-consent state while talking to them if you aren't in NY at the time.


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Very sorry to hear of your woes! They should at least be giving you a scholarship for next year.

Some Admissions dean will losing his/her head for this.

I agree with the idea of hurling a lawyer at them.


Pezeveng said:
I was accepted to Touro-NY (Harlem Campus) months ago. I have already spent thousands of dollars on deposits, lost deposits, housing, and plane tickets. My Manhattan apartment’s deposit alone cost me half my life savings. Now the school is forcing me and dozens of other students to defer or withdraw from the program for no legitimate reason.


Last week we received notice that Touro has overenrolled by about 40 students. The school can’t have a class size larger than 135 because of the building fire codes and COCA standards. At first we all thought it was a joke and the school just had a ton of empty seats in Middletown. Then, he school is started panicking made it obvious that they need to get rid of students, one way or another, before orientation in 1 month. They are now making up new rules and requirements to kick students out or force them to transfer to the Middleton campus because that campus doesn’t have zoning regulations of the New York City to have more than 135 students per class.


10 students have already been forced to defer because they didn’t have their paperwork or medical immunization forms “in order.” My roommate who has a blood disorder doesn't have his HepB shots and the school used that as an excuse to defer him to the next graduating class. Now the school has decided that they will not be accepting AP credit in fulfilling English and Math requirements. About 50 students received calls threatening to defer because the school just decided to enforce these rules. The thing is, this was NEVER disclosed to us, not in the interview day or on their website. The school catalog also doesn't have any rules on this as well. Some international students that have never taken AP courses have also gotten the call and, pretty much, said to transfer to Middletown because Manhattan is gross and other lame excuses. THEY ARE MAKING THIS UP AS THEY GO ALONG!


Now, why am I here on SDN. Our Facebook page is useless. Students are giving up their fight and letting the school make up arbitrary rules to force students to defer to cover up their mistake. At this point, we are playing phone tag with administrators because they are too scared to leave a paper trace behind them with email for liability purposes. Upperclassmen are just putting their hands in the air and saying that the administration sucks and they make up rules all the time and we have to somehow be complacent. I have emailed faculty and they have responded saying that they have zero role in admissions. So I am here on SDN asking if you all have any idea of someone I can contact in COCA or AACOMAS or AOA quickly to use muscle power to help me and dozens of other students trapped in limbo


THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars to get here only to be told "oops." I have left out personal details out of this to remain anonymous but, trust me, if I told you more it would be even worse. The worst part is the school is taking no financial responsibility on this either. I'm losing my mind! I haven't stepped foot in a DO school yet and I absolutely hate it already. I knew this was a gamble but never expected THIS to happen.
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Mad Jack said:
I would also send a letter to the NY attorney general, as this sounds like a clear case of a business abusing their position and consumers suffering for it.
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Can confirm, I had to do this with another matter with a company that was dicking me around and clearly giving me the run around. I filled out a form online and the very next day I got a call from the company basically offering to make amends.
 
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Pezeveng said:
I have no fu*king idea what I'm doing at this point. I am so lost. I'm 24 years old! I've never worked with a lawyer before. Plus I LOVE this school. The location, faculty, students. ugh. How can this be happening?
I was hoping someone here would know if this had happened before in the past at another school and would have advice or the contact info of someone in AOA or AACOMAS that can intervene but it looks like we're stuck. The school changing their tone today from "Oh could you transfer to Middleton" to "You have to defer or withdraw because you don't meet the requirements" has many of us just spinning because we really don't know wtf is going on or wtf we're going to do.
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I hate to break it to you, but a large part of life is people trying to screw you over or take advantage of you, best to learn to deal with it now. I have to say I am a little surprised with how poorly Touro is handling this though. I was pretty impressed with the school on interview day, and upset when I was waitlisted. Now I am thinking it was for the best.
 
We will wait and see what happens until Monday. I am confident that once the Deans evaluate each case, everything will be easily resolved. I have no intentions to contact a lawyer but I will be giving AACOMAS a call to review my transcript and ensure that I, indeed, met the requirements of the school. It's best to be as calm as possible during times like this. However, if I do get another arbitrary deferral notice, through email or a call, I'll contact a lawyer to evaluate my options. At this point, I'm also considering withdrawing and applying again in worst case scenario. I'd be late but I have decent stats and could land at least a mid tier DO school if I move fast enough. I appreciate everyone's help.
 
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Pezeveng said:
I will send you a message. I shouldn't have mentioned the name of the school here. I love this school soo much. My mind was spiriling very fast in the morning and I felt shamed to discuss on the facebook page especially when I found the upperclassman to be unhelpful even when I messaged them directly. 12 hours have passed since I spoke to Touro in the morning and it has given me a chance to breathe and relax and remind myself why I want to be a physician and why I want to go to NYC and what my goals are and remind myself that a school, any school, is more than a few secretaries. It's the faculty, the students, the location, the experience and that's what's important. I hope everyone reading this understands this, especially @AnatomyGrey12 and other students applying. I believe the Touro-Harlem is so incredibly unique. This entire situation is happening precisely because more people fell in love with the school than what the school expected. It's hard not to like and appreciate this school when you visit. The reason why so many people are getting emotional about this is because we want Touro-Harlem so badly. We're fighting because going to this school is worth it. I don't even know if I'm making sense anymore. ahhhh
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I would not let your 'love' of this school get in the way of transferring, going elsewhere or otherwise flipping them the bird. Would you continue to do business with anyone who has jerked you around and treated you this badly? It's like any other transaction...if it's obvious you're getting jerked around, it's time to walk.

Even if they 'made it right' at this point, I'm not sure I'd attend. If an administration has already demonstrated that it's willing to lie and do all sorts of capricious nonsense just to cover for their own admission mistakes, just imagine what they're going to be doing later on. Med school is a huge investment of your time, money, life and effort and you need to be sure you can trust that investment with an institution that respects it...not one that will simply screw you over when mistakes get made (and they will).

Lastly...outside of SDN, I've never heard good things about any of the Touro campuses. I was extremely surprised when Touro-NY became this hallowed osteopathic institution on SDN...it has always sounded like a big, careless moneymaking scheme and I think it's only further proving that to be true with nonsense like this.
 
Pezeveng said:
Honestly, from my own research, it's not a money issue or a financial "profit." The secondary fee is large because they screen heavily before sending a secondary. If you get a secondary, you pretty much have a very high chance at an interview. Also, they honor the AACOMAS fee waiver which many DO schools don't. All schools (MD and DO) have a deposit. Most of them are around $1500-$2k.
I think the school always over enrolls because they accept candidates with the highest MCATs which end up getting acceptances at other MD or DO schools and drop. Everyone on my interview date had multiple other acceptances (including myself) but seemed to really want to come to the city for school.
I'm not bad mouthing the program at all. I think this is a great school that offers students A LOT. This whole situation underlies just how high the interest is for this school which led to the over-enrollment.
But, as @hellobello18 said, they already have ~40 students from the Masters program. Why are they interviewing into April? Western COMP, NSU, NYITCOM all have class sizes double that of Touro NY and they usually stop interviewing in February/March.
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That's completely and utterly full of crap. They interview more people that many, many other schools. And they interview a ton of high-stat people early on that they are almost certain will get MD acceptances, then keep whomever is left over (that's why their MCAT average is so damn high). I mean, I've got no proof of this, but when I was interviewing there, that was my impression- all of us had 33+ MCATs, none of us particularly wanted to be there, but they sent us back a secondary with lightning speed and invited us for an interview, so there we were. And then they wanted $2,000 within some ridiculously short period of time, and another $2,000 after that, both in a time period before most other schools would even decide whether or not to interview, let alone admit us. Off of my interview group alone they ended up with a minimum of $30,000, and nearly all of us rescinded our acceptance because we got in elsewhere. They have the highest deposit of any DO school, to a level that is simply unjust.
 
Mad Jack said:
That's completely and utterly full of crap. They interview more people that many, many other schools. And they interview a ton of high-stat people early on that they are almost certain will get MD acceptances, then keep whomever is left over (that's why their MCAT average is so damn high). I mean, I've got no proof of this, but when I was interviewing there, that was my impression- all of us had 33+ MCATs, none of us particularly wanted to be there, but they sent us back a secondary with lightning speed and invited us for an interview, so there we were. And then they wanted $2,000 within some ridiculously short period of time, and another $2,000 after that, both in a time period before most other schools would even decide whether or not to interview, let alone admit us. Off of my interview group alone they ended up with a minimum of $30,000, and nearly all of us rescinded our acceptance because we got in elsewhere. They have the highest deposit of any DO school, to a level that is simply unjust.
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$4k? That's straight up unethical on a whole new level.
 
i think their deposit is 3k now which isn't that different from most DO schools. Also have to keep in mind that they are a newish DO school in an area full of med schools. Historically they take a large percentage of their wait list. I think they focused on high stay applicants to increase their reputation and as a result had to over accept because a lot of those applicants get into MD eventually. This year more students held on for whatever reason. I don't think it is a scheme to get seat deposit money as much as it is poor/risky planning in an attempt to increase the reputation of the school as rapidly as possible.
 
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Mad Jack said:
That's completely and utterly full of crap. They interview more people that many, many other schools. And they interview a ton of high-stat people early on that they are almost certain will get MD acceptances, then keep whomever is left over (that's why their MCAT average is so damn high). I mean, I've got no proof of this, but when I was interviewing there, that was my impression- all of us had 33+ MCATs, none of us particularly wanted to be there, but they sent us back a secondary with lightning speed and invited us for an interview, so there we were. And then they wanted $2,000 within some ridiculously short period of time, and another $2,000 after that, both in a time period before most other schools would even decide whether or not to interview, let alone admit us. Off of my interview group alone they ended up with a minimum of $30,000, and nearly all of us rescinded our acceptance because we got in elsewhere. They have the highest deposit of any DO school, to a level that is simply unjust.
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This is it in a nutshell. Touro takes your money with lightning speed and pretty much keeps it moving without care or concern of the students. People are usually really optimistic and hopeful about the school...until they matriculate and realize what exactly is going on.

I spoke to someone who is also in OP's situation and one of the deans told him that he should have known his C in freshman year Chem was unacceptable (even though he was screened for a secondary, interviewed, and accepted sometime in January). Can't make this stuff up...and I had no advice for him, sadly.
 
http://www.ag.ny.gov/complaint-forms

Here's the NY attorney general's complaint forms. This would likely fall under consumer fraud, as the school has told you you are accepted, taken your money, and then given you nothing in return. They are also offering acceptances and taking deposits without good faith of actually providing those acceptances with a spot- that's lying to a consumer, and thus consumer fraud.

https://forms.ag.ny.gov/CIS/consumer-complaints.jsp

This cannot be done anonymously, so I would strongly recommend that you present it to other people that have been burned by this blatantly unethical practice. Make sure they submit it along with their acceptance letter and supporting documents, along with copies of their receipt for payment of their deposit. You do not need a lawyer for this process- the City of NY has case attorneys that they specifically designate to the case and will defend the rights of consumers pretty relentlessly. This is an open-and-shut case, IMO, so they'll be all over it.
 
Also a student that got the call. Touro was interviewing until May and accepting students until June. Then they had the audacity to send up emails of a "special opportunity" to switch to the Middletown campus.
 
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I really hope the students who are getting screwed here come together and take some action. The school shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.

If you're in the OP's shoes, PLEASE time & date and attach a name to every interaction you have with the school. Communicate by email if at all possible so there is a paper trail. Catch them in their lies.

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Mad Jack said:
That's completely and utterly full of crap. They interview more people that many, many other schools. And they interview a ton of high-stat people early on that they are almost certain will get MD acceptances, then keep whomever is left over (that's why their MCAT average is so damn high). I mean, I've got no proof of this, but when I was interviewing there, that was my impression- all of us had 33+ MCATs, none of us particularly wanted to be there, but they sent us back a secondary with lightning speed and invited us for an interview, so there we were. And then they wanted $2,000 within some ridiculously short period of time, and another $2,000 after that, both in a time period before most other schools would even decide whether or not to interview, let alone admit us. Off of my interview group alone they ended up with a minimum of $30,000, and nearly all of us rescinded our acceptance because we got in elsewhere. They have the highest deposit of any DO school, to a level that is simply unjust.
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I went to a super competitive CA public university so although I had a high MCAT my sGPA was low. MCAT was a 32 but sGPA was 3.5 and cGPA was 3.74. I got into most of the DO schools I applied to ad had 2 MD IIs but got wait listed at both. Simply put Touro was my first choice because of location. My GF works in DC so it was a good choice for both of us. The 2 MD schools I got an interview at were at locations that I had zero interest in living in (think south, rural, etc.). I was even ready to pick Touro over them both.
 
Mad Jack said:
http://www.ag.ny.gov/complaint-forms

Here's the NY attorney general's complaint forms. This would likely fall under consumer fraud, as the school has told you you are accepted, taken your money, and then given you nothing in return. They are also offering acceptances and taking deposits without good faith of actually providing those acceptances with a spot- that's lying to a consumer, and thus consumer fraud.

https://forms.ag.ny.gov/CIS/consumer-complaints.jsp

This cannot be done anonymously, so I would strongly recommend that you present it to other people that have been burned by this blatantly unethical practice. Make sure they submit it along with their acceptance letter and supporting documents, along with copies of their receipt for payment of their deposit. You do not need a lawyer for this process- the City of NY has case attorneys that they specifically designate to the case and will defend the rights of consumers pretty relentlessly. This is an open-and-shut case, IMO, so they'll be all over it.
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Big&Juicy said:
Also a student that got the call. Really did enjoy my experience with Touro up until this event. I received my acceptance in January. Touro was interviewing until May and accepting students until June. Then they had the audacity to send up emails of a "special opportunity" to switch to the Middletown campus. It also appears that they are targeting students to transfer or defer with "unsatisfied" AP requirements or people like me who put down no preference to campus location when submitting the secondary. I will no longer recommend TouroNY to anyone one of my colleagues. Really wish I could give the old, f**k you to administration there.
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I'm very sorry to hear about that. I selected "Both-Prefer Harlem" on my secondary. Did you interview at both campuses?

Honestly, all the school had to do was have a Dean send an email saying "Look, we messed up. Turns out we're more popular than we think we are and overenrolled. We're offering you a free parallel transfer to Middletown, with a small tuition break, and the opportunity to rotate in NYC metro area in 3rd year." I bet a dozen or so students would switch. TOURO, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, IT'S NOT TOO LATE! I WILL TRANSFER AND SO WILL MANY OF US. JUST ADMIT THE TRUTH AND REGAIN MY TRUST.
 
I only interviewed at Harlem, which was my preference. I feel bad for people who recently rejected other places for TouroNY and are now in this fiasco.
 
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I am still in disbelief at this. This school should not get away with this. People who come together are stronger than the nasty administration they have. They are playing with someone's FUTURE. Not okay.
 
Pezeveng said:
I'm very sorry to hear about that. I selected "Both-Prefer Harlem" on my secondary. Did you interview at both campuses?

Honestly, all the school had to do was have a Dean send an email saying "Look, we messed up. Turns out we're more popular than we think we are and overenrolled. We're offering you a free parallel transfer to Middletown, with a small tuition break, and the opportunity to rotate in NYC metro area in 3rd year." I bet a dozen or so students would switch. TOURO, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, IT'S NOT TOO LATE! I WILL TRANSFER AND SO WILL MANY OF US. JUST ADMIT THE TRUTH AND REGAIN MY TRUST.
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I am sorry and I am not trying to be rude. I can't even imagine what you're going through but you need to man up a little. You wanted Harlem you paid your deposit for HARLEM and now it's like you're begging for something less!! You gave up TWO MD acceptances because of a rural location and now you want to go even lower and go to a rural DO school.... Don't give up the fight so fast. This is your future.
 
Pezeveng said:
I'm very sorry to hear about that. I selected "Both-Prefer Harlem" on my secondary. Did you interview at both campuses?

Honestly, all the school had to do was have a Dean send an email saying "Look, we messed up. Turns out we're more popular than we think we are and overenrolled. We're offering you a free parallel transfer to Middletown, with a small tuition break, and the opportunity to rotate in NYC metro area in 3rd year." I bet a dozen or so students would switch. TOURO, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, IT'S NOT TOO LATE! I WILL TRANSFER AND SO WILL MANY OF US. JUST ADMIT THE TRUTH AND REGAIN MY TRUST.
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I'm really sorry this is happening to you. But you do have options rather than begging for these dinguses to have control over your career. I highly doubt such blatant disregard for their students is a one time thing. They sure as hell won't go to bat for you. I agree with what @Mad Jack has said. These people don't deserve to have a single student or any of their money. You're all too good for them
 
samb said:
I am sorry and I am not trying to be rude. I can't even imagine what you're going through but you need to man up a little. You wanted Harlem you paid your deposit for HARLEM and now it's like you're begging for something less!! You gave up TWO MD acceptances because of a rural location and now you want to go even lower and go to a rural DO school.... Don't give up the fight so fast. This is your future.
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It sounds like he didn't get off the waitlists for those 2 MD schools so it's not like he gave up 2 MD acceptances to go to Touro
 
It would be a real shame if Touro gets away with this, and if it is as the OP describes it. Future hopefully future applicants keep an open mind and try to find multiple acceptances because you'll just never know when "Touro" happens.
 
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It sounds like he didn't get off the waitlists for those 2 MD schools so it's not like he gave up 2 MD acceptances to go to Touro
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Even if he didn't. He quotes "I would still pick Touro over the both" My point was that location was a huge part of his decision...and he shouldn't give that up so easily.
 
samb said:
Even if he didn't. He quotes "I would still pick Touro over the both" My point was that location was a huge part of his decision...and he shouldn't give that up so easily.
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I interpret that as rationalization. It's foolish to give up MD for DO just because of location.
 
LuluLovesMe said:
I interpret that as rationalization. It's foolish to give up MD for DO just because of location.
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Not when you're LGBTQ and trying to run away from the South as fast as possible. Trust me, I have my reasons.
Plus the field I'm interested in isn't terribly competitive for DOs
 
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Last week we received notice that Touro has overenrolled by about 40 students. The school can’t have a class size larger than 135 because of the building fire codes and COCA standards. At first we all thought it was a joke and the school just had a ton of empty seats in Middletown. Then, he school is started panicking made it obvious that they need to get rid of students, one way or another, before orientation in 1 month. They are now making up new rules and requirements to kick students out or force them to transfer to the Middleton campus because that campus doesn’t have zoning regulations of the New York City to have more than 135 students per class.


10 students have already been forced to defer because they didn’t have their paperwork or medical immunization forms “in order.” My roommate who has a blood disorder doesn't have his HepB shots and the school used that as an excuse to defer him to the next graduating class. Now the school has decided that they will not be accepting AP credit in fulfilling English and Math requirements. About 50 students received calls threatening to defer because the school just decided to enforce these rules. The thing is, this was NEVER disclosed to us, not in the interview day or on their website. The school catalog also doesn't have any rules on this as well. Some international students that have never taken AP courses have also gotten the call and, pretty much, said to transfer to Middletown because Manhattan is gross and other lame excuses. THEY ARE MAKING THIS UP AS THEY GO ALONG!


Now, why am I here on SDN. Our Facebook page is useless. Students are giving up their fight and letting the school make up arbitrary rules to force students to defer to cover up their mistake. At this point, we are playing phone tag with administrators because they are too scared to leave a paper trace behind them with email for liability purposes. Upperclassmen are just putting their hands in the air and saying that the administration sucks and they make up rules all the time and we have to somehow be complacent. I have emailed faculty and they have responded saying that they have zero role in admissions. So I am here on SDN asking if you all have any idea of someone I can contact in COCA or AACOMAS or AOA quickly to use muscle power to help me and dozens of other students trapped in limbo


THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars to get here only to be told "oops." I have left out personal details out of this to remain anonymous but, trust me, if I told you more it would be even worse. The worst part is the school is taking no financial responsibility on this either. I'm losing my mind! I haven't stepped foot in a DO school yet and I absolutely hate it already. I knew this was a gamble but never expected THIS to happen.
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Have you looked at maintenance of certification? They are making things up as they go along too. Welcome to medicine
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
Or maybe some people want to be close to family and loved ones over measuring each other's d*** at work? *gasp*
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It's so juvenile for you to assume that MD is chosen to "measure eachother's dicks" over the much more rational assumption that MD is chosen for better shot at more competitive residencies.
 
LuluLovesMe said:
It's so juvenile for you to assume that MD is chosen to "measure eachother's dicks" over the much more rational assumption that MD is chosen for better shot at more competitive residencies.
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Nice strawman. You completely missed the point.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
Nice strawman. You completely missed the point.
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Your vitriol and sarcasm tends to distract from any real point you're trying to make. I think most people would agree that 4 years away from family and friends is worth it for better residency prospects. Most people have done it already for college which ends up having a much smaller impact on their future careers.
 
LuluLovesMe said:
Your vitriol and sarcasm tends to distract from any real point you're trying to make. I think most people would agree that 4 years away from family and friends is worth it for better residency prospects. Most people have done it already for college which ends up having a much smaller impact on their future careers.
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Real point = I, and many many other people, care more about being close to family members then slaving away working 100 hour weeks in their "dream" speciality. So, for us, its irrelevant what field we go into cause we care more about those we love over our occupation (again, I know crazy, right?). Once you grow up you *may* realize this.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
Real point = I, and many many other people, care more about being close to family members then slaving away working 100 hour weeks in their "dream" speciality. So, for us, its irrelevant what field we go into cause we care more about those we love over our occupation (again, I know crazy, right?). Once you grow up you *may* realize this.
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That may be true, but I don't think your views represent those of the majority.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
Real point = I, and many many other people, care more about being close to family members then slaving away working 100 hour weeks in their "dream" speciality. So, for us, its irrelevant what field we go into cause we care more about those we love over our occupation (again, I know crazy, right?). Once you grow up you *may* realize this.
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Agreed. I chose schools based on HAPPINESS.
 
WinterIsComing30 said:
I am in the same situation at Touro. I'm concerned that if we are forced to defer that they will pull some similar nonsense next year
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I've had the same thought. If 10 people defer til next year, plus 35-40 students from the masters program...there are less than 100 seats available for c/o 2021.
 
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Unclear. I doubt that everybody who is in this situation has posted on the Facebook group but based on FB posts I would estimate ~20. Could be way more though.
 
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