Paramedic with a question RE: calcium?

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I was working as a paramedic the other day and went on an interfacility transfer with the following:

50 y/o F non-smoker for past 5-7 years and social drinker
Past Hx of numerous kidney stones and unknown arrhythmia (possible SVT) treated with Digoxin.
No Hx of HTN, MI, CVA, Cancer
Being taken to Pittsburgh hospital due to the following:
Numerous Kidney Stones
Calcification of Proximal Aorta
Multiple Nodes in Chest

This all came from the chart

My question: Is there a disease process that can cause all this? Maybe something regarding Calcium?

I was just curious b/c I have never seen or heard of anything like this.

Thanks,
DU
 
Why does it have to be ONE disease causing all of the above? Patients often have multiple diagnoses.

Kidney stones are common. They are not always due to hypercalcemia.

Calcification of the large vessels is very common. It is not generally due to hypercalcemia.

Arrythmias are common. The reasons are myriad.

Lymph Nodes in the chest are normal, although I assume you mean she had lymphadenopathy. Could be due to lots of things, some malignant, some benign.

There are literally dozens, if not more, reasons for your patient's medical problems.
 
I was working as a paramedic the other day and went on an interfacility transfer with the following:

50 y/o F non-smoker for past 5-7 years and social drinker
Past Hx of numerous kidney stones and unknown arrhythmia (possible SVT) treated with Digoxin.
No Hx of HTN, MI, CVA, Cancer
Being taken to Pittsburgh hospital due to the following:
Numerous Kidney Stones
Calcification of Proximal Aorta
Multiple Nodes in Chest


This all came from the chart

My question: Is there a disease process that can cause all this? Maybe something regarding Calcium?

I was just curious b/c I have never seen or heard of anything like this.

Thanks,
DU

Patients on internal medicine services often present with multiple complaints and may have extensive past medical histories. However, you did not state why the patient was admitted or why they were transfered. All we have is a past medical history and no history of present illness.

Let's look at kidney stones, fairly common, most common metabolic derrangement is excess caclium in the urine. Complex issue, you could read a chapter on kidney stones in a medical textbook. Too large a topic to cover here.

Are all patients with "multiple kidney stones" taken to the hospital? Probably not as some may be small enough to pass on their own.

Let's look at calcification of the aorta and "multiple nodes." Calcification of the aorta is a common finding in older patients, not sure how common in a 50 year old. May be what we call an "incidental and normal finding." Also there are "multiple nodes" this could mean almost anything depending where these lymph nodes are found. For example, multiple nodes in a chest CT in a patient with lung cancer could be lymph nodes infiltrated by cancer.

Or, lymph nodes in the mesentery could be related to an intestinal tract infection, or again malignancy.

The patient might have an arrhythmia, or maybe he/she has CHF and that is what the digoxin is for? The history here is bad. Some patients I have seen confuse CHF with a heart arrhythmia, and they may have both and not realize that the digoxin is for something else entirely.

Remember each patient has a "Chief Complaint" i.e. why are you in the hospital? The patient likely didn't complain of "lymph nodes" in his/her chest so possibly presented with the signs of kidney stones. Often times the "Chief complaint" is wrong, i.e. the internal medicine writes that the chief complaint is for "burning sensation in chest", when perhaps the real reason is that the patient is experiencing increasing fatigue and mistook a history of chronic gastro-esophageal reflux for the why the patient came to the hospital. This is why you have to ask, "What specifically brought you into the hospital day." And sometimes the patient dither about and you have to ask again, "I know that most people don't just come to the hospital as the wait was really long, what made you get out of bed (or leave work) and decide to come to the emergency room." (You have to be really nice when you ask the last one!)

I don't think that the patient is being transfered for something as routine as kidney stones, so there may be another working diagnosis, i.e. malignancy. Some malignancies, i.e. malignant melanoma may lead to kidney stones. We actually don't know what the patient's kidney stones are made of.

The patient may not have a "unifying diagnosis" to link his/her symptoms and radiologic findings, but it could be a malignancy, rare, but possible. You said the patient was a non-smoker for the past 5-7 years, that is confusing. I am guessing that perhaps from 16 years of age to 45 years of age she smoked, how much? If she smoked 3 pack per day for 30 years I would expect to see evidence of COPD on a chest x-ray, and it increases her chances of certain types of cancers, such as lung cancer.

Or, actually sarcoidosis, a multisystem disease, could possibly cause all of the findings. Sarcoidosis often shows as bilateral hilar lymphadenopathy and chest lesions on imaging, so perhaps could account for chest lymph nodes. Although rare, nephrocalcinosis can occur secondary to sarcoidosis, and perhaps 20% of sarcoidosis patients have evidence of renal involvement on autopsy, although 1% have kidney stones secondary to sarcoidosis. Cardiac involvement is more common in sarcoidosis and have seen patients myself with this, certainly a multitude of cardiac brady- and tachyarrhythmia and bundle branch block can be caused by sarcoidosis. Although almost 100% of patients 70 years of age above have calcification of the aorta on imaging, I am uncertain of the percentage of 50 year olds with this finding, as sarcoidosis can cause hypercalcemia, this might have accelerated the process of calcification of her aorta and would prompt me to order a serum calcium level in addition to other labs.

Realize that this information tells us nothing, in medical school you would have to say this is a 50 year old female with a XXX pack-year smoking history who presented X days ago with left sided flank pain. Past Medical history significant for multiple episodes of kidney stones and cardiac arrhythmia per patient, although she doesn't know what type of arrythmia, and is currently on digoxin and no other medications. Patient has a 90 pack year smoking history (if I assume 3 packs per day for 30 years, as an extreme), drinks alcohol once a month, no recreational drug use. Subsequent radiologic workup revealed multiple lymph nodes in the mediastinal region on chest CT and transfered to oncology service for lymph node biopsy. (?)

In terms of social drinking, some people define 3-4 beers a day as social drinking so this comment means nothing in itself.

Even this blurb isn't close to being enough for rounds.

Final Guess (If there is one disease): Systemic Sarcoidosis. If you don't think about it, you'll never diagnose it!
 
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Darth is right,
no way to tell from what you describe if there is unifying diagnosis.
This actually isn't that long a list of problems for a patient on the medicine service. This would be pretty typical...many patients have more problems than this.

Cardiac arrhythmias and kidney stones are both very common, and don't necessarily have to be related. The arrhythmia could be a number of different types of SVT, atrial fibrillation, etc. You say she is a "social drinker". some folks think 6 beers/day is social drinking...heavy alcohol use can lead to arrhythmias, particular atrial fibrillation. It also is probably the 2nd most common cause of CHF in the US, behind coronary artery dz.

The "calcified aorta" means practically nothing and I'd be surprised if a 50 year old former smoker didn't have a calcified aorta. It means she's probably got some level of coronary disease also, but that also wouldn't surprise me in a 50yo former smoker eating the typical US diet.

There are multiple causes of kidney stones and often you'll see whole families who have tendency to form stones. If she drinks then cutting down on the EtOH might help, as well as increasing water intake.

She doesn't necessarily have a calcium problem leading to all these problems. The "calcified aorta" thing, in particular, doesn't really signify anything wrong w/the calcium...it's just showing she has arterial vascular disease, and points more toward the fact we should worry about things like coronary artery dz and peripheral arterial dz.

Interesting post, though.
 
my bet would be that this "patient" is actually a relative of the OP. the history is presented very oddly, especially for something that 'came from the chart' -- social hisotry is usually not presented first and tobacco history would almost always include a pack-year history as that predicts risk. i'm guessing someone with a significant tobacco hx had a CT done that showed some concerning nodes.
 
Final Guess (If there is one disease): Systemic Sarcoidosis. If you don't think about it, you'll never diagnose it!

Nice thought. Renal stones with sarcoid is actually quite rare. So it would be a rare complication of a rare disease.

My guess (from limited info) is small cell lung cancer with ectopic PTHrp production and hypercalcemia.
 
This is just a patient who needs a good primary care doctor.
None of these things (SVT, renal stones, "calcification of aorta" probably seen on smoe CT scan) is very uncommon. They could totally all be unrelated. "multiple nodes" on a CT scan could be a lot of things...sometimes these are incidentally seen...especially if they are small...also if someone had a recent lung infection or something, these could be "reactive lymph nodes", not cancer.
Small cell CA with high pthRP not a bad guess, though we don't have any documentation that there was hypercalcemia, do we? This was just a hospital patient transfer.

In my experience, patients this young (50 years old) who are frequently int he hospital tend to come from bad social situations and have a lot of "lifestyle" issues causing illness (i.e. smokes or did smoke for a long time, may use EtOH and other drugs, often obese getting little exercise and eating a poor diet, often poor and with low educational level). What they really need is ONE doctor to coordinate care and keep them out of the ER and hospitals.
 
I'm jumping off my soapbox now 😀

Oh, and why are you suspicious of the original poster? He just said it's a hospital transfer, not his mama. And the history he presented sounds typical for the little chart the paramedics and EMT's take with them for hospital transfers. He's not a medicine subintern, so wouldn't expect him to present the history like an advanced med student or intern.
 
Nice thought. Renal stones with sarcoid is actually quite rare. So it would be a rare complication of a rare disease.

My guess (from limited info) is small cell lung cancer with ectopic PTHrp production and hypercalcemia.

I did consider a paraneoplastic syndrome of pulmonary origin, however, . . .

The most common paraneoplastic syndromes associated with small cell lung cancer are SIADH occurring in 5-10% of patients, ectopic secretion of ACTH, into addition to secretion of Atrial natriuretic factor, an eaton-lambert like syndrome, subacute cerebellar degeneration, subacute sensory neuropathy, and limbic encephalopathy.

However, hypercalcemia is much more likely to be associated with squamous cell carcinoma of the lung when looking at lung cancers, (this is a board and pimp question!). While the hypercalcemia of squamous cell carcinoma can cause polyuria, constipation, weakness, etc . . . nephrocalcinosis can result from such syndromes grouped under the hypercalcemia of malignancy, Usually nephrocalcinosis and nephrolithiasis are NOT associated with hypercalcemia of malignancy which you are suggesting.

I often hypothesized that this was because the time frame of development of lung cancer is too fast for kidney stones to develop. If calcium phosphate kidney stones are found in a lung cancer patient this would prompt a search for an underlying parathyroid adenoma, i.e. a more chronic condition in my mind. Calcium phosphate crystal formation in the urinary tubules is secondary to long standing hypercalciuria, i.e. hyperparathyroidism.

So, looking at the whole picture of the patient, I think that although rare systemic sarcoidosis with renal involvement, and cardiac involvement is much more likely to account for everything than any type of lung cancer. (We are assuming one diagnosis fits everything.)

Bottom Line: Hypercalcemia of Malignancy does not share all of the clinical manifestations of hypercalcemia secondary to other etiologies, and only the multiple chest lymph nodes argue for any type of lung cancer, kidney stones do not. While it is important to find the etiology of confirmed hypercalcemia, and ruling out an underlying malignancy is important, usually when hypercalcemia of malignancy is diagnosed the symptoms of the cancer are already evident.

It is very very rare for a lung cancer patient to present with symptoms of acute hypercalcemia and then find out they have lung cancer. Not so for multiple myeloma. Mostly, paraneoplastic syndromes present after the patient has been diagnosed with cancer after presenting with more usual signs of cancer, however, it is important to realize that some paraneoplastic syndromes can be an early warning sign of cancer.

Looking at this patient, i.e. from perhaps what I am supposing too much, but an overall healthy individual with cardiac arrhythmia being treated, kidney stones, lymphadenopathy in the lungs somewhere . . . yes, this could be the picture of someone with sarcoidosis which has a disease history that occurs over years. You betcha! (Like I guess Paulin would say . . .)

Remember, hypercalcemia of 1-2 years duration, with kidney stones, is usually due to a more chronic cause like a parathyroid adenoma (not included under "hypercalcemia of malignancy" seen in breast and lung cancer although neoplastic to be sure).

Most residents I have seen have a poor grasp for paraneoplastic syndromes such as hypercalcemia of malignancy, and there are much more common than you would expect, i.e. hypercalcemia of lung cancer is fairly common. I will make an effort to teach this to residents in the future as there seems to be some confusion about this at least on this message board.

Dr. Darth
 
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Small cell CA with high pthRP not a bad guess, though we don't have any documentation that there was hypercalcemia, do we? This was just a hospital patient transfer.

True, I think the OP wanted one diagnosis that could explain everything so that was the game that we, or at least I, were playing. I think that PTHrP production leading to hypercalcemia is much more strongly associated with squamous cell carcinoma of the lung as opposed to small cell carcinoma of the lung. The case study which lead to the discovery of PTHrP as one cause of hypercalcemia of malignancy in 1971 was of a patient with hypercalcemia, hypophosphatemia and non-elevated PTH (which was probably PTHrP but unknown at the time) had squamous cell carcinoma. This is a classic board question/pimp question for some odd reason.*

*(Actually I know the reason, it is that small cell lung CA causes most paraneoplastic syndromes, but other lung CAs have stronger associations with other/lesser known paraneoplastic syndromes, i.e. hypertrophic pulmonary osteoarthropathy and clubbing and trousseau syndrome are most highly associated with adenocarcinoma, and as mentioned squamous cell carcinoma is more likely to cause hypercalcemia secondary to high levels of PTHrP)
 
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Darth,
you are right of course
hypercalcemia in lung CA would be due to squamous cell CA, not small cell. I totally didn't read the last post thoroughly and was careless. Of course I know that (and probably most others reading this know) that. I actually did quite well on my medicine boards, that you 🙂

I also agree that renal stones unlikely to be caused by hypercalcemia of malignancy in lung CA, but didn't want to go into a long diatribe about that.

I don't think this patient has either cancer or sarcoidosis, based on the info we have. We actually have to reason to believe this person even has hypercalcemia, based on the information presented.
 
Darth,

I don't think this patient has either cancer or sarcoidosis, based on the info we have. We actually have to reason to believe this person even has hypercalcemia, based on the information presented.

I wish we had more information. Has anyone been to a morning report where they present a patient (with more detail) talk about diagnostic strategies and what it might/probably be but then we don't get any answers, i.e. the patient is still there being worked up? I find it very annoying.

Maybe somebody on SDN can present a patient's admission day by day, hopefully if they have a final diagnosis and treatment plan . . .
 
. . . but other lung CAs have stronger associations with other/lesser known paraneoplastic syndromes, i.e. hypertrophic pulmonary osteoarthropathy and clubbing and trousseau syndrome are most highly associated with adenocarcinoma, and as mentioned squamous cell carcinoma is more likely to cause hypercalcemia secondary to high levels of PTHrP)

When you think/read about something you see it, sort of . . . the image of the week in the New England Journal is a patient who presented with a paraneoplastic syndrome, i.e. clubbing and was found to have lung adenocarcinoma. And at 30 month follow-up she was free of symptoms with tumor free margins at surgery, has to make you smile. She had a constellation of symptoms not entirely unlike the patient in this thread in terms of vagueness, except maybe for the clubbing, and that a nonproductive cough over 3 months in a long time smoker might raise suspicion of a mass lesion.

"A 45-year-old woman with a 27-pack-year history of smoking presented for evaluation of progressive distal finger enlargement and polyarthralgias, which had developed over a period of 18 months. During the previous 3 months, she had had pain in the long bones of both legs and a nonproductive cough." Images in Clinical Medicine. Volume 359:e15, September 25th, 2008, Number 13.


http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/13/e15
 
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