The only problem with that is the NP curriculum is designed around the nursing model, not the medical model. Is there much of a difference? I'm not entirely sure. There are a lot of differing opinions on the matter.
I think they would have to make them take some prereqs like gen chem 1 & 2, orgo 1 & 2, biochem and genetics so they can be more comfortable with med school basic science...
So, you're saying they should take all of the general prerequisites for medical school plus biochem and genetics which are only recommended or required by some schools. That means they would be taking the same classes we have to take plus a couple more minus the MCAT.
Yep... I would waive gen bio and physics and replace them with biochem and/or genetics...
I wouldn't really call that fair. It would be easier for them just to do all of the typical premed classes and take the silly MCAT which, I think, is what they should do.
No it would not be easier... You have to understand the MCAT is not that easy as most people in here might believe.... Studying for that test can be a pain...
If you think studying for that test is a pain... You do realize most of the board tests are around 8 hours long. That's on top of all of the other tests you have to take in your respective graduate education.
I realize that... I have talked to physicians and residents who did not do good on the MCAT and killed the board, and almost all of them told me the two test are different. Most of them told me the board is easier because most of it is memorization as opposed to the MCAT, which requires little memorization.
You sound like an elitist... How did you learn about the central dogma of biology? I am pretty sure it was taught to you in maybe intro biology... A lot nursing students do not take gen or intro bio. They take A&P I and II, a watered down one in most cases. Therefore, they dont spend time teaching them about stuff like that...
That's why I said I wasn't sure. Thanks for the perspective.
I wasn't talking about PAs getting the MCAT waived in that post. I think PAs should be able to get the test waived. I was talking about NPs in response to another post.
Nope... I took A&P I/II without taking gen bio at a state school...
A lot of nursing programs have A&P courses that are separate from the A&P courses that science majors take. Obviously, this isn't true everywhere. However, at my undergraduate institution and at the community college where I taught, this was the case.
I was not a bio major and most people who are trying to go to nursing school are nursing major. I also took micro without taking gen bio... I took gen bio I & II when I decided to take the prereqs for med school. I did not even have to take them because AACOMAS uses A&P I/II to fulfill the 8-credit bio requirement. Time and money wasted on my part though.
I must say that when I was helping my friend who took A&P I at my state school last year, I saw his prof taught the central dogma. But when I took A&P years ago, my prod did not even talk about it.
I understand why some people might have problem with NPs... Few classmates of mine who become NP went on to become NP and never taken intro to bio, gen chem, organic chem etc... And they are able to do their job as NP without problems. Tell them about the central dogma of bio now and they probably wont know what it is.
I agree with bio, gen chem, and orgo. I also agree with physics except for the fact that some of it is actually useful, especially regarding the concepts of volume, pressure, force, resistance, and the like. I reason the way it's taught is the problem. The curriculum doesn't speak to the life sciences until you are expected to use the concepts during the MCAT. There are many physiological processes that require a basic understanding of physics.
Don't mess with physics man
...I'll give you that mechanics is not that useful, but imo EM and atomic stuff is......
Like I said, the way it's presented in the courses we are required to take is stupid. It's not presented in a way that's made relevant to the life sciences unlike a course such as general chemistry.
No disrespect, but being a nurse is not the same as being a PA. You can't compare the two.
As a nurse, I can say with confidence that this is not going to happen thanks to the laws of the individual states and the even more powerful AMA. I also thank Heavenly Father that nursing unions are not powerful in Texas! It will always remain the right and perogative of the individual states to determine the practice rights of nurses. No nurse becomes a nurse to be equivalent with physicians in practice rights. In fact, that's laughable.
I completely agree that PA's and RN's are not equivalent. I am only stating I believe in a STANDARD. Due to further enlightenment at the hands of fellow SDNers, I realize that competent and experienced PA's applying to LECOM constitute a worthy exception to traditional standards.
I agree. Call me crazy, but I actually hated most of my science classes for this reason. I didn't understand the point to a lot of the things I was learning until I was able to apply the concepts when I worked towards getting my paramedic certification.
The best RN's go on to become DO's, right? 🙂
That's good to know.
You will get to see them in MS3/MS4
That would be scary. I wouldn't put it past California or New York to allow nurses insane practice privileges because the nursing unions are Uber-Powerful in those states.
I know it may not seem like it, but I love nurses. I've worked with plenty over the years. In fact, one wrote me a great letter of recommendation. Another nurse did a mock interview for me. Still more nurses taught me throughout my paramedic curriculum. But, just as in any role, there are the bad apples.
Very true. I've worked with some awful nurses who sit on their butts all shift long. One of the main reasons I'm leaving nursing is because I just don't know enough as a nurse. One of the reasons I want to be a physician is so that I can competently affect positive changes in health for a greater number of people. I feel so limited as a nurse. I'm excited for med school to start in 6 months!
That's really great. I wish you the best.
Thanks! I'm excited to start!
There is a huge difference. Hell, NPs only have 500 required hours of advanced clinical training over the entire course of their degree. That's ridiculous, a resident knocks out that many hours in 7-8 weeks. Most of the degree is management and the BS that is "nursing theory." They claim that their years of nursing training substitute for the lack of advanced clinical training. But they were not operating at an advanced level, so it really doesn't substitute for anything in my mind. It's like saying you can be the general manager of a Wal-Mart after 8 weeks of training because you totally know how everything works because you were a cashier for three years first.
