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So at my shop we are trying something new. Apparently there were so many complaints that the person that handles those was feeling overwhelmed. That's a bad sign on many levels, but the new thing is that each doc will be given their complaints to handle. I have received 3 in the past month or so and 1 was from family (not the pt) and 2 from psych pts. If I contact those individuals, which admin wants us to do, I will probably lose my job. They are ridiculous and I will no doubt tell the pt that if i call to explain that they waited 30 min to be seen for their insomnia because I am single covered and was running a code.

So, how are complaints handled elsewhere? If you are contacting pts, then how are you not exploding at their stupidity and sense of entitlement?

thanks for any input,
streetdoc

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Fortunately, one of our assistant directors handles most of the complaints. We do typically hear about it (especially if it's a written complaint.) Our department has done a pretty good job backing us up though.

I've only heard about a couple... one was for a mother (with 6 kids) who couldn't seem to understand why her 4 week old kept throwing up after she would feed her 8oz of formula every 2-3 hours. I (probably snidely) explained to her that it would be like me forcing 4 gallons of milk down her throat and that throwing up was a pretty natural response given the circumstances. For some reason she took offense to that. Go figure. 🙂

I would have thought by the sixth kid she would have figured that out.
 
It seems like a conflict of interest for anyone to address their own complaints... Can't you just trade with someone else?
 
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My understanding is that when everyone takes a turn addressing complaints, the complaints go away. You quickly learn what people complain about and quit doing it. In my experience most complaints are easily avoidable, and not from the stuff you think it's from.
 
My understanding is that when everyone takes a turn addressing complaints, the complaints go away. You quickly learn what people complain about and quit doing it. In my experience most complaints are easily avoidable, and not from the stuff you think it's from.

So I should just give them the Dilaudid and they'll stop complaining?
 
Our head handles the complaints. Of the two I've had since I started independently, one was a frequent flyer patient with Munchausen's who in the course of our encounter shouted across the whole department that she wanted to be treated by a doctor, not a G** d*** veterinarian. She claimed I'd used abusive language to her and shouted at her. My department head pointed out to the powers that be that since he heard virtually the whole exchange and all the abuse and shouting was on her side he would not be contacting her. The second was an 88 year old who was sent in from his doctor's office with symptomatic bradycardia. He was upset because he thought I got snarky with him when he decided to leave AMA in the middle of his work-up. His understanding from the family doc was that we would run some tests and send the results to the doc, in and out in 20 minutes tops. He didn't quite get why I thought that was a) unrealistic and b) a bad idea. I probably was mean to him; I thought the whole thing was ludicrous and was a little peeved that he thought the internist should just magically appear when he came in. I got a little talking to about bed-side manner, more for appearances sake I think. Also because the new head doesn't want to handle these so I think he's trying to prevent them from happening. I got copies of both complaints and the charts in question to mull over.
If'd I'd had to deal with these myself I'd probably have been fairly unpleasant with the Munchausen's patient over the phone. That was sheer mischief making on her part because she didn't get her way and get put on insulin and anticonvulsants. She pulled out her suprapubic a few days later and earned herself a trip to the OR for reinsertion though, so she got some gratification that week.
I might have been nicer to the old gent. I actually don't remember being particularly mean to him, but I guess he thought I was.
My 2 cents worth. Cheers,
M
 
Our head handles the complaints. Of the two I've had since I started independently, one was a frequent flyer patient with Munchausen's who in the course of our encounter shouted across the whole department that she wanted to be treated by a doctor, not a G** d*** veterinarian. She claimed I'd used abusive language to her and shouted at her. My department head pointed out to the powers that be that since he heard virtually the whole exchange and all the abuse and shouting was on her side he would not be contacting her. The second was an 88 year old who was sent in from his doctor's office with symptomatic bradycardia. He was upset because he thought I got snarky with him when he decided to leave AMA in the middle of his work-up. His understanding from the family doc was that we would run some tests and send the results to the doc, in and out in 20 minutes tops. He didn't quite get why I thought that was a) unrealistic and b) a bad idea. I probably was mean to him; I thought the whole thing was ludicrous and was a little peeved that he thought the internist should just magically appear when he came in. I got a little talking to about bed-side manner, more for appearances sake I think. Also because the new head doesn't want to handle these so I think he's trying to prevent them from happening. I got copies of both complaints and the charts in question to mull over.
If'd I'd had to deal with these myself I'd probably have been fairly unpleasant with the Munchausen's patient over the phone. That was sheer mischief making on her part because she didn't get her way and get put on insulin and anticonvulsants. She pulled out her suprapubic a few days later and earned herself a trip to the OR for reinsertion though, so she got some gratification that week.
I might have been nicer to the old gent. I actually don't remember being particularly mean to him, but I guess he thought I was.
My 2 cents worth. Cheers,
M

Maybe if we could tell it like it is to some of these patients, they would stop showing up at the ER with idiotic complaints. Of course, that doesn't jibe with the whole "customer satisfaction" concept. Like hospitals actually make money on some of these crazies, who seem to be mostly "self pay".

And if you weigh more than 350 pounds, no, you are not allowed to complain that the staff "manhandled" you.

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So I should just give them the Dilaudid and they'll stop complaining?

I would have to stop using my "If I admit you, it's because you need nursing home placement" line. And I like using that line.

Also, when people complain that I look them up on the DEA database, I don't care. I should be allowed to call the police on them just like I'm required to for GSW/Stab wounds.
 
I would have to stop using my "If I admit you, it's because you need nursing home placement" line. And I like using that line.

Also, when people complain that I look them up on the DEA database, I don't care. I should be allowed to call the police on them just like I'm required to for GSW/Stab wounds.

In some jurisdictions you're required to notify of suspected drug diversion. The police tend to be non-plussed about being called however.
 
I would have to stop using my "If I admit you, it's because you need nursing home placement" line. And I like using that line.
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I use a smiliar line too. so far no problem with that one.

one complaint by a family member was about why "dad" was placed on oxygen and when she asked the radiology tech why, the tech did not know. now how am I supposed to address that? Or rather, how am I supposed to respond without pissing them off by telling them it is a ridiculous "complaint" and has nothing to do with his medical care.

It is amazing that complaints seem to not really be due to medical care or even doctor related. I would say if you had better nurse/pt communication and more hotel-like ammenities, then there would be way fewer complaints. Now if I could just get the nurses and techs to get off of facebook and stop sexting then maybe I wouldn't have so many complaints to deal with. Any ideas on that one?
thanks,
streetdoc
 
The 2 heads of my group respond to patient complaints but we are usually asked to give them a written response.

Here's my list since being out on my own:
Dr didn't treat my maybe early nontreatable possible vector envenomation
Dr didn't do any testing for my vital sign abnormality (based on what patient said it was at home) that was consistently and repeatedly normal and completely asymptomatic in the department
Dr sent my suicidal family member to a psych facility that other family members have been to and didn't like

I had to give my response to each of these, but my boss actually handled them with the patients/families
 
Now if I could just get the nurses and techs to get off of facebook and stop sexting then maybe I wouldn't have so many complaints to deal with.

Thank you for that; I'm a long way off from being an ER doc, but my short time as an ER volunteer has taught me that those nurses... well... I'll keep it to myself.

So is patient satisfaction really that big of an issue for EM docs? I'm a bit disappointed because I thought patient satisfaction didn't matter when it came to the ER (where else are they gonna go?); thats one of the reasons why I thought EM rocked; I got sick of problem solving for irrational patients at a family practice office (I was an MA) so I thought EM would get me away from the BS.
 
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Customer satisfaction is all the rage now in emergency medicine. You see, there was a time when certain doctors in this country had the title of "primary care physician." Their job was to take care of coughs, hypertension, sprained ankles, odd belly and back pains, fevers, and other uncomfortable melodies that weren't true emergencies, but still should get looked at. The world was at peace because people knew their "PCP" and could see him whenever one of these evil humors arose. That time was marked by a true doctor-patient relationship. Then several bad things started to happen.

Television gave people the impression that doctors could fix all ailments in a matter of minutes using fancy equipment, lasers, and flashing lights. "That blue pill" was all you needed to be healed. Survival from cardiac arrest was near 90%. The lay public saw these miraculous wonders on TV and demanded the same from their doctors.

Next, an evil entity called CMS decided that primary care was no longer necessary and cut funding to the point that many PCP's closed shop. Those that remained had waitlists that extended three months. Without family docs, patients needed a place to go where they could get their humors re-aligned in a timely manner. That place was the emergency room.

If you look at the statistics for hospital admission for most emergency departments, you'll see that only 10-20% of patients are admitted to the hospital. The rest go home. Already, you start to feel the cognitive disconnect as you realize that most of the non-admitted patients must not have emergencies if they getting sent home. The good news is that in many non-urban settings, patients have insurance and companies are willing to shell out high dollar amounts for emergency services. The hospital administration sees patients more as customers who can spend hundreds of dollars for viral colds and mechanical back pain. The ED becomes a cash cow that generates good revenue. And for the suits on the top floor, they will do everything they can to get those insurance dollars rolling in, whether it be valet parking, promises of short wait times, legions of nurses who don't see patients yet listen to complaints, and other customer service initiatives.

Woh to medical student who went to emergency medicine for the thrill of intubations and codes. Alas, those procedures are rarities in the field. As the doctor, you're now in the center of customer care. You are the greeter, cashier, and manager rolled all into one. Your promotions and salary will be hinged to customer satisfaction surveys. You'll realize that your worth as a physician will have little to do with how well you know Tintinalli, and more with your customer service skills.

At first you'll complain. You'll cope, you'll adapt. Eventually you will learn the tricks to high Press-Ganey scores such as fetching warm blankets, walking the patient to the door, giving discharge instructions yourself, and making sure the television set works. And if your scores are high enough, you'll get that bonus and promotion. You'll get that high salary despite only three years of residency and working three days a week. You'll stop complaining because defense mechanisms will kick in and allow you to go in every day to keep the life style going.

And maybe, you'll even get to see an emergency every once in a while.
 
You make EM sound so much better than I thought.... Obviously you have your gripes, are you still happy with your decision or would you have preferred to go into another specialty knowing what you know now?
 
In our hospital, patient complaints bypass the ER docs and go straight to the hospital admin. Every now ant then, I'll get a complaint, and they are always from the same "type" of patient...That would be, me with DEA report in hand, denying drugs to a self-entitled drug seeker, who is almost certainly in an entitlement program, who has no objective exam findings......Sadly, the admin makes a big deal of these complaints. So it kind of puts us in a crazy situation where you actually consider giving that shot of 4mg hydromorphone just to make the patient go away and avoid a potential complaint.......

Even worse, is what DocB has been talking about for the past year or so is that in the very near future, CMS is going to start basing reimbursements on these patient satisfaction scores. The hospitals are now hiring these consulting companies to brainwash, errr I mean educate and teach us , how to better satisfy the customers....They are following us around and giving us tips on how to better improve customer satisfaction. You start generating complaints, and the hospital is going to put some real pressure on you and your group since now your "perceived" good attitude means more $$ for them and your "perceived" bad attitude will cost them $$........
 
Even worse, is what DocB has been talking about for the past year or so is that in the very near future, CMS is going to start basing reimbursements on these patient satisfaction scores. The hospitals are now hiring these consulting companies to brainwash, errr I mean educate and teach us , how to better satisfy the customers....They are following us around and giving us tips on how to better improve customer satisfaction. You start generating complaints, and the hospital is going to put some real pressure on you and your group since now your "perceived" good attitude means more $$ for them and your "perceived" bad attitude will cost them $$........

Funny you mention consulting companies. Last week we had a lurker in the ED and when I asked what brings her to the ED (and hovering), she stated she is in admin and deals with pt complaints. She was there to gain a better perspective of what pts don't see so she could better handle complaints-what a great idea (seems like the hospital will be handling our complaints and hopefully bypassing the doc in the near future). Well, it was a great day for her to be there as we were very busy. i was single covered and the doc coming on was late and we had 10 rooms filled with 5 in waiting. I tubed an altered lady with co2 100, had a guy with HR 20 and being paced, and then a seizure in a teenager in the waiting room among all the other not so emergent complaints. She was pretty wide eyed and amazed at how things can get. I think pts that complain they waited 30 mins should come and see what really goes on on the other side of the door. eh, actually, they still wouldn't get it.

Thanks for the replies. it seems most of you do not handle complaints directly and i think there is good reason for that-as someone pointed out it is a conflict of interest. hopefully we will return to the old way soon and have educated personnel respond with how the ED really functions and its true purpose.

thanks,
streetdoc
 
You could show the crazy/drug-seeking people the sick/bleeding patients and they wouldn't care. To these borderline personality soul-sucking leeches, everything is about them, and only they are important.

Had a lady a couple weeks ago with ADD (Acute Dilaudid Deficiency) syndrome, and refused to give her dilaudid or any narcotics. She began escalating and stalking me around the ER. We had a sick 80 year old lady in respiratory failure come in, and I promptly intubated her. While I was in the room with the sick lady, the drug-seeker stood outside the room screaming at me about her treatment. When our charge nurse tried to talk to her, the borderline screamed: "I don't care if he has a critical patient, he needs to pay attention to me!". At that point security strongly advised her to leave.
 
I suspect the complaint is generated by the way you tell them you're not giving them the dilaudid, not by the fact that you didn't. Subtle point, I know, but important.

I tell them: "I'm going to treat your pain using non-narcotic alternatives. Based on your last visits, it has been explained to you that we cannot give you any more narcotics for your chronic pain, unless your doctor calls us first."

Any better way than that? Our problem is that we have 5-6 "candymen" who give out any narcotics in any amount on demand because they don't want confrontation. Our patients therefore get mixed signals, and get pissed off when I tell them no.
 
That sounds like a good way to lose a contract. We try to solve all our issues at levels below hospital admin.

Yeah, we used to handle them internally as well (ideal situation), but now they all go through admin (not our choice). Luckily, there are not too many complaints....
 
Silly but we have one of our PAs handle them. We dont even get notified if it is re: narcs or just a billing thing.

I echo the issue of the candymen. We have a few who dont want to deal with the confrontation and we have a few who are so hard core it makes me cringe.
 
I would like to think I would be one of the more strict Docs when it comes to meds... but the "ef it" attitude when it comes to people I don't like will probably turn me into a candyman.

I've learned the best thing to do is act like I'm on their side, and tell them "go home while I speak to the Dr X. and I'll call in any Rx he gives you." They can't argue with that and it gets them out of the way. Little do they know that I head to the back, flirt with the phlebotomist, grab some coffee, after enough time has passed, give their cells a call "....sorrrry, I tried"
 
I would like to think I would be one of the more strict Docs when it comes to meds... but the "ef it" attitude when it comes to people I don't like will probably turn me into a candyman.

I've learned the best thing to do is act like I'm on their side, and tell them "go home while I speak to the Dr X. and I'll call in any Rx he gives you." They can't argue with that and it gets them out of the way. Little do they know that I head to the back, flirt with the phlebotomist, grab some coffee, after enough time has passed, give their cells a call "....sorrrry, I tried"

Sounds like a lot of time to spend on a minor problem in a busy ED. I just tell them no, remind them they are on the pain protocol and give them resources for pain management with a nice reminder the ED isnt a place for chronic problems esp chronic pain problems.
 
Sounds like a lot of time to spend on a minor problem in a busy ED. I just tell them no, remind them they are on the pain protocol and give them resources for pain management with a nice reminder the ED isnt a place for chronic problems esp chronic pain problems.

I work in a Urgent care/family practice as an MA- so I have the time and it prevents them from making scenes in front of the other patients. If I didn't call them back they would be back in the office in an hour even more upset. My job is to make it so that doctors don't have to waste their time.
 
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