We can for sure talk about the success of the graduates and such. People are free to bring those factors up. But, if one can be just as successful without 200k+ in loans, why not advocate for that? Additionally, I imagine many of us bring out the funded/unfunded thing for several reasons. One being the wellbeing of the applicant. I know many people who hate their jobs, but won't leave because they rely on repayment programs. Also, these people are putting off things like serious retirement planning and house buying due to their debt. Secondly, many of us see this as damaging to the field as a whole. When diploma mills pump out mass numbers of people willing to work for almost anything, it leads to an oversupply of individuals and drives down our salaries. There is no supply shortage of psychologists, and in the majority of markets, there is a significant surplus. So no, my only reason for the argument is not merely concern for the applicant. I am allowed to be concerned for the applicant and the field.