PCS, DITY, etc.

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The time is coming for some of us to venture from our warm medical school cocoons to the brave new frontier of military medicine. I, for one, am pretty naive about the ins n' outs of the process of the first PCS.

If anyone has any good websites, advice, etc. about arranging for the move, going DITY, etc. I would love to hear it. Especially since we have many prior service folks around. My recruiter had some tips and info for me that I could share if anyone has any questions, too.

Thanks in advance,

Geo
 
This is going to be popular string.

Moves in the military are not just moves, they are adventures.
The experience can be great or a total nightmare. Much of that depends on who does your moving.

My advice would be: if you don't have much in the way of possessions (single or small young family without much heavy furniture) or are not moving far, then do a DITY move (for the uninitiated, DITY stands for "Do IT Yourself"). I have been told that if you do it right, you can actually make money on DITY moves.

I, on the other hand, had moved enough times in my life prior to the Army and had enough crap to move that I swore I would never move myself again, so I have let the military move me. Since the Army contracts this out to private companies, the level of service can be incredibly variable. So far, I have been lucky, getting reliable and responsible moving companies. That's not always the case, and there seem to be countless horror stories about damage, lost items, stuff sent to the wrong place, etc.

For an Army run move, they will send out both movers and, if you want, packers (you can pack your own boxes or have professional packers). The packers show up a day or 2 before the move, and actually pack up everything in your house that is not nailed down (and I do mean EVERYTHING . . . they even packed a bag of garbage for us. Fortunately, there was nothing rottable in it). The packers we've had have been pretty good about fragile stuff. They've tended to actually "overpad" a lot of things (after all, they're billing uncle sam for all the materials, so they are probably "padding" their bills as well as your breakables.). Once everything is labeled, packed and tagged, the movers come and load up and move.

Depending on how long you have before you can actually get into your new home, your stuff may sit in a warehouse for a while. When you can actually move in, you contact the movers and they unload. Although I have never done it, you can actually get "Unpackers" too, or just unpack yourself.

If there is damage, missing stuff, etc, you can file a claim within a certain time frame (I think it's a year). The movers and packers should provide you with detailed lists of every box, piece of furniture, etc that was loaded and unloaded at both ends of the trip. It is your responsibility to check for damages and file any claims. So far, I've only had a couple minor dings on some large furniture and, surprisingly, no broken dishes, glassware, etc.

I'm sure the other active duty folks can add lots of comments.
 
A couple of things regarding Army moves...

-watch them like a hawk when they are packing, you'd be amazed at what they will attempt to do
-take digital photos of ALL your possessions prior to them showing up (if anything is lost, that is your proof of it for reimbursement, same for being broken)
-you have to have a truck (check with them for a definition of said "truck," SUVs weren't included before but things change) for a DITY (you can do a partial DITY as well - this is what I do). Let them take all the big heavy stuff and you take the stuff that you can cram into your vehicle - you get paid by weight, so make sure to take some heavy stuff)
-don't be in a rush to move in somewhere, you have up to 180 days to keep your stuff in storage, find the place you really want to live (spoken from experience, you'll end up moving again (on your own dime if you don't!)
-you get a flat rate while moving (different from TDY), regardless of where you end up stopping, so don't stop in NYC, if you can avoid it ($50/day for hotel and food (single) or $80/day for same married - try doing that if you are anywhere near the Northeast or California), so stay with friends or family as often as you can, or if you are so inclined, camp! (I'm not so inclined, the Army will have you "camping" enough)
-when you sign into where you are going, if you can align it with your residency schedule, take the 10 days permissive TDY allowed (it is a leave form signed by your gaining unit) to get settled
-I'll post more if I think of it, unfortunately, like most lessons, we learn them through experience. Hope some of this helps you to avoid those "experiences."
 
Wow! 2 for 2. Thanks for two great posts. This is exactly what I was looking for.

Some things that I have heard:

DITY
1. The Army (read, "military") will not pay for the shipment of your personal vehicle. You may tow it with your "truck", but they will not pay for the tow device. I know you are going to come back and say that they will pay for mileage, but it could be a shock if you pay $300 for a tow trailer and are not reimbursed.

2. Weighing your truck - you need empty and full weights. Many truck stops have scales. The company from which you rent your moving truck should know where there may be scales.


I am looking for more info about the PCS move. I hear that one is entitled to a "house-hunting" trip, but I am unclear as to what is covered and how one goes about getting reimbursed.

Thanks again, posts like the previous ones keep this forum great!

Geo
 
1. They pay for your mileage for the 2nd vehicle, so...the money you get for that is to pay for a) the gas or b) the tow equipment. I towed my wife's car last move, they paid 37.5 cents per mile, more than paid for the tow equipment (which was about $300). Well worth it.

2. You can go on "permissive TDY" to house hunt. This means that you are authorized to go to your next place to house hunt, without being charged leave. You are not, however, reimbursed for anything regarding permissive tdy (thus the difference from TDY), not the flight, drive, hotel, food. Nothing. The idea is that you don't HAVE to go to your next location beforehand, so they won't pay.

Hope this answers your questions...
 
You can go on "permissive TDY" to house hunt. This means that you are authorized to go to your next place to house hunt, without being charged leave. You are not, however, reimbursed for anything regarding permissive tdy (thus the difference from TDY), not the flight, drive, hotel, food. Nothing. The idea is that you don't HAVE to go to your next location beforehand, so they won't pay.

And the key here is "permissive," as in "you need their permission." When I was PCS-ing from residency to duty station and asked about this, I was basically laughed at at both ends.
 
DON'T LAUGH but...

I found this book called "Married to the Military" which goes into PCS and moving in great detail. It's an awesome resource... it's aimed at women in the military and the wives of men who serve, but it's basically an introduction to all the "weird" things you have to know to survive-- useful for everyone. It's really easy to find at the bookstore-- it's the only pink book in the military section.

Pink camo, to be precise.

~Alli
 
Yeah, my wife was somewhere between amused and appalled when I told her to buy it, but it is pretty helpful.
 
DITY is now called "Personally-procured Move" (at least in the Navy). Gotta love it. Most people say "yeah, I did the DITY thing once" or something similar. I've had pretty good luck with 3 PCS moves. Some damage is inevitable.
One way to make it less likely is to remove a step. When you are moved by the government, if you are unable to find a place quickly (ie BEFORE the truck gets to its destination), they will put your stuff in storage. Then, when you are ready, they will take it out. These two extra moves increase the chance of stuff getting broken. If you have a place for them to go, they'll take your stuff straight there. I've never been able to avoid using storage(once I missed em by about 8 hrs).

Here's a DITY calculator so you can see what they would pay you.


http://www.navtrans.navy.mil/pptacalc
 
Hi, just a little tip on filing claims. If you have homeowner's or renter's insurance the Gov wants you to file against these first. Then they will pay if needed. Unfortunately, some folks have been denied subsequent homeowner's insurance or had their rates increased after filing claims. In 25 yrs and about 10 moves I have filed NO claims. My worst PCS to an overseas location cost me about 800$ in damage. I decided that that wasn't worth filing against my renter's policy thru USAA. So, unless you have a really high damage amount you may want to forego the claim.
Yeah, it sucks. The entire claims process is totally use unfriendly and can surely eat up a lot of valuable time to complete.
Good Luck on your moves....
 
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