Penalty of dropping out HPSP after taking an oath?

[tmddyd]

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Does anybody know what the penalty of dropping out HPSP after taking an oath is (BUT Before dental or medical school starts)?😕

 

[SeminoleFan3]

Does anybody know what the penalty of dropping out HPSP after taking an oath is (BUT Before dental or medical school starts)?😕

I feel like before I took HPSP, someone told me that as long as you haven't taken any money yet, you could still get out. I'm not sure how that works though.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

Does anybody know what the penalty of dropping out HPSP after taking an oath is (BUT Before dental or medical school starts)?😕

They will still make you protect and defend the Constitution.

 

[BigNavyPedsGuy]

I feel like before I took HPSP, someone told me that as long as you haven't taken any money yet, you could still get out. I'm not sure how that works though.

That's accurate. But if you're going to back out. Do it now and be very transparent about the situation. Get in touch with the head of HPSP for your branch.

 

[AF M4]

Ya, you can still get out if no money has changed hands. Don't expect that to be the story you get from the HPSP folks though. Best go find a lawyer who specializes in military law to guide you and make sure things are done right, since the HPSP dept will now have every incentive in the world to kick you in the nuts.

 

[J-Rad]

On the Air Force side:

From AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 41-110

1.9. Contract Termination
1.9.1. Participants may be eliminated from the program for cause or when it is in the best interest of
the AF. Examples of students being eliminated may include:
1.9.1.1. Failure to comply with or meet medical, academic, conduct, or administrative requirements
IAW AF instructions or directives.
1.9.1.2. Do not have the qualities required of an AF officer as described in Department of Defense
Directive (DoDD) 5500-7, Standards of Conduct, August 30, 1993, AFI 32-3206, AFI 36-3207
and AFI 36-3209.
1.9.1.3. Failure to meet institution academic or other standards; or failure to make satisfactory
progress.
1.9.1.4. Ignoring requests for either information or administrative directives.
1.9.1.5. Involvement in illegal activities or conduct unbecoming an AF Officer.
1.9.2. The AF does not approve requests based on change of mind, altered financial status, misunderstanding
of obligations, or personal convenience. EXCEPTION: Individuals who request to decline
their scholarship and tender their resignation from the reserves prior to their scholarship eligibility
date may do so through AFIT, regardless of COT attendance.
1.9.3. Eliminations are subject to approval or disapproval by SAF/MIC.
1.9.4. Elimination from the program does not necessarily result in separation or discharge from the
AF.
1.9.4.1. All participants are subject to options outlined in their particular contracts if they fail to
complete the program. Options include being called to active duty to serve their active duty obligation
in any capacity for which they posses the qualifications.

Though the surrounding text may add some layers of questions, I think since the individual would be resigning from the reserves, an individual in this situation (no money taken) would not be made to come on active duty.

 

[J-Rad]

OK reading just a bit further:

1.10. Separating or Discharging an Eliminated Participant
1.10.1. All program participants hold commissions as officers in the USAFR and must serve on AD.
Being eliminated from AFHPSP/FAP does not always require separating or discharging an officer.
SAF/MIC decides how individuals will pay back their obligations.
1.10.2. Possible Reasons for Discharge or Separation:
1.10.2.1. Member was eliminated from AFHPSP/FAP.
1.10.2.2. Member meets requirements specified by AFI 36-3209.
1.10.3. Initiation or Recommendation to Separate and Discharge.
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1.10.3.1. A participant may ask for separation and discharge by submitting a TOR of commission
for personal reasons if prior to the scholarship eligibility date.
1.10.3.2. AFIT may eliminate the member from AFHPSP/FAP, suspend benefits, and ask for the
member's separation or discharge for cause.
1.10.3.3. HQ ARPC may separate and discharge a member:
1.10.3.3.1. In response to a TOR if prior to the scholarship eligibility date.
1.10.3.3.2. Based on AFIT's notification and the participant's elimination from AFHPSP/FAP
and the recommendation of the appropriate AFPC/DPAM office.
1.10.3.3.3. For reasons stated in AFI 36-3209 or another instruction.
1.10.4. The Air Force may discharge and separate a member on the recommendation of medical facility
commanders or commanders of military organizations providing ADT training.
1.10.5. Separation procedures are IAW AFI 36-3209, with recommendations from HQ ARPC/SGX
and HQ ARPC/JA. Separation or discharge from the Reserve of the Air Force while participating in
the AFHPSP/FAP does not necessarily mean that a member is relieved from service obligations
imposed by other federal statutes.
1.10.5.1. SAF/MIC may discharge members who were commissioned for the program, submitted
a TOR before receiving benefits, are not otherwise obligated to the AF and/or attended COT and
were removed for cause before receiving benefits.
1.10.5.2. The AF may separate members who previously participated in this or other AF
sponsored education programs or may call them to EAD in another capacity to repay the
active duty service obligation. If separated, the AF decides whether to recoup educational
expenses (including grants and other expenses) after SAF/MIC reviews and decides the case.

I seem to remember a "this-is-your-last-chance-to-change-your-mind" talk at COT.
PS "TOR"=Tender of Resignation

 

[deuist]

Now that his question is cleared up, can I get out having been on the scholarship for four years? I've really wanted to leave for three years---if that counts for anything.

 

[rotatores]

OK reading just a bit further:

1.10. Separating or Discharging an Eliminated Participant
1.10.1. All program participants hold commissions as officers in the USAFR and must serve on AD.
Being eliminated from AFHPSP/FAP does not always require separating or discharging an officer.
SAF/MIC decides how individuals will pay back their obligations.
1.10.2. Possible Reasons for Discharge or Separation:
1.10.2.1. Member was eliminated from AFHPSP/FAP.
1.10.2.2. Member meets requirements specified by AFI 36-3209.
1.10.3. Initiation or Recommendation to Separate and Discharge.
AFI41-110 23 AUGUST 2004 13
1.10.3.1. A participant may ask for separation and discharge by submitting a TOR of commission
for personal reasons if prior to the scholarship eligibility date.
1.10.3.2. AFIT may eliminate the member from AFHPSP/FAP, suspend benefits, and ask for the
member's separation or discharge for cause.
1.10.3.3. HQ ARPC may separate and discharge a member:
1.10.3.3.1. In response to a TOR if prior to the scholarship eligibility date.
1.10.3.3.2. Based on AFIT's notification and the participant's elimination from AFHPSP/FAP
and the recommendation of the appropriate AFPC/DPAM office.
1.10.3.3.3. For reasons stated in AFI 36-3209 or another instruction.
1.10.4. The Air Force may discharge and separate a member on the recommendation of medical facility
commanders or commanders of military organizations providing ADT training.
1.10.5. Separation procedures are IAW AFI 36-3209, with recommendations from HQ ARPC/SGX
and HQ ARPC/JA. Separation or discharge from the Reserve of the Air Force while participating in
the AFHPSP/FAP does not necessarily mean that a member is relieved from service obligations
imposed by other federal statutes.
1.10.5.1. SAF/MIC may discharge members who were commissioned for the program, submitted
a TOR before receiving benefits, are not otherwise obligated to the AF and/or attended COT and
were removed for cause before receiving benefits.
1.10.5.2. The AF may separate members who previously participated in this or other AF
sponsored education programs or may call them to EAD in another capacity to repay the
active duty service obligation. If separated, the AF decides whether to recoup educational
expenses (including grants and other expenses) after SAF/MIC reviews and decides the case.

I seem to remember a "this-is-your-last-chance-to-change-your-mind" talk at COT.
PS "TOR"=Tender of Resignation

J-Rad,

Anything in there about getting out prior to starting payback?😀