People have given up on the quarantine.

[owlegrad]

That's what I'm saying though, why are we concerned about some things but not others

Because people are very bad at understanding risk. Driving is dangerous compared to flying but more people are afraid of the later than the former.

Ignoring one risk doesn’t make it sensible to ignore other risks though. It’s not “all or nothing”. Of course it would be nice if people also worried about the dangers of smoking but like I said before we already attempt to limit the amount of collateral damage a smoker can do.

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[owlegrad]

We shouldn’t have to wear seat belts

I actually agree with you. My body, my rights!

 

[JustFillIt]

Depends. If you support the fascist parts of his policy, then, yes, you are a fascist.

Some Trump supporters aren't. They are opportunists. Like McConnell. He DGAF as long as he can use Trump to stack the courts now and figure it out later. Once the baby boomers die off and they need to circle the wagons and reinvent themselves for a post-white-majority America starting in the 2030s.

This is just ridonculous.

 

[Old Timer]

It is a shame nobody understands what conservatives stand for. Conservatism was really carried forward by William F Buckley. At his death he was asked about the modern conservative movement and he said it was in need of repristination. A true WFB word



Comments on his dad's view of things is a few minutes in

 

[lord999]

It's about affecting other people. Can you put yourself at risk? Sure, knock yourself out. Can you put yourself at risk in a manner that puts unknowing people at risk? No.

It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.

But that’s just limiting the geography of a smoked cigarette, the citizen can still walk anywhere they want.

the lockdowns are literally infringing rights, albeit with the argument of “it’s for your own good”

I’ll tell that to next several people I meet yakking on their cell phones while driving. On second thought, a one finger salute is good enough. However, I can't wait for everyone to have mandated dashcams and sensors to buy insurance.

Sometimes you can’t help risking other people. Most people don’t exactly come to the pharmacy well, and they risk you getting it yourself. That is the nature of the business for us and why we get paid the big bucks, in part because that is a risk we tolerate as the dirty job.

Society draw lines on risk and reckless. Driving a car risks my life and yours, and I’m Asian so I probably risk yours more than the average. That’s a risk we accept when I can pass the Drivers exam and sober. Being drunk, or being on a cell phone, society considers that reckless, and should stop it. Given what we did not know about coronavirus, I do not think it was the wrong thing to do to put in the lockdown. Yes, it does infringe on rights, but there's too much of a public health headache to deal with the matter under normal circumstances. Even the military ordered a full no shore-leave/no liberty for their overseas bases, and that is quite justified on readiness grounds.

Now that we have an understanding of those risks, society needs to reconsider how big those risks are. Yes, it does come down to a productivity argument in the end, but private rights have always been considered against the public rights and it is a argument that keeps happening. For my part, the military should continue on their lockdown and confine to base orders or controlled liberty in overseas areas as the local situation warrants (Korea and Japan will have different opening times for their sides), but for here, I do not see us needing to maintain such a lockdown. Is that going to get people killed? Yes, but work still has to get done sometime. As for us, this is a part of our job hazards now (like higher rates of professional suicide from overwork and trauma), you can find other employment if this is not something you want to risk.

We needed this time to figure out the risks, and this was very costly. It isn't about 100% anymore, we lost that opportunity with case tracing in early January.

What I am interested in is whether any country permits unfettered international travel anymore. Even between our allies like SK and the UK, I can see them ordering a 14 day quarantine on any entrants from the US and them likewise until we get a better idea of the entrance risks. This might very well extend to Canada and Mexico. Who knows? This argument of risk versus benefit of the matter is going to evolve as we are better equipped to manage the risks.

 

[JustFillIt]

It is a shame nobody understands what conservatives stand for. Conservatism was really carried forward by William F Buckley. At his death he was asked about the modern conservative movement and he said it was in need of repristination. A true WFB word



Comments on his dad's view of things is a few minutes in

The real shame is that you can no longer carry conservative values without being called buzzwords like:

Fascist
Raceist
Sexist
Biggot
Nazi
Etc
Etc
Etc

 

[owlegrad]

And if you are a liberal the buzzwords are:

communist
Socialist
Snowflake
Etc
Etc
Etc

The real shame is that you can no longer carry conservative values without being called buzzwords like:

Fascist
Raceist
Sexist
Biggot
Nazi
Etc
Etc
Etc

 

[owlegrad]

Sometimes you can’t help risking other people. Most people don’t exactly come to the pharmacy well, and they risk you getting it yourself. That is the nature of the business for us and why we get paid the big bucks, in part because that is a risk we tolerate as the dirty job.

I bet your techs would have something to say about risk vs compensation.

 

[JustFillIt]

And if you are a liberal the buzzwords are:

communist
Socialist
Snowflake
Etc
Etc
Etc

Fair enough..... I am partial to the snowflake thing..

Perhaps we can add hypocrite to both?

 

[owlegrad]

Fair enough..... I am partial to the snowflake thing..

Perhaps we can add hypocrite to both?

Oh yes. If Biden has taught us anything, it’s that.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

The real shame is that you can no longer carry conservative values without being called buzzwords like:

Fascist
Raceist
Sexist
Biggot
Nazi
Etc
Etc
Etc

Stop doing fascist things, stop being called fascist. It's pretty simple.

I miss old fashion, actual conservatives.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

And if you are a liberal the buzzwords are:

communist
Socialist
Snowflake
Etc
Etc
Etc

The "woke" wing of the party can pretty easily be described as all of those.

 

[owlegrad]

The "woke" wing of the party can pretty easily be described as all of those.

And the far-right side of the Conservative party can be called those other things.

Also I should have put “woke” and “SJW” in my list.

 

[allantois]

Trump's valet (the dude who goes on the McDonalds runs) tested positive for Covid19. Hopefully the orange man caught it as well.

Would be nice if it also caught up with half the Congress half of whom are too old

 

[allantois]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-top-aide-to-vice-president-pence-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/2020/05/08/7d80520c-914e-11ea-a0bc-4e9ad4866d21_story.html

Document reveals Secret Service has 11 current virus cases, as concerns about Trump’s staff grow

This report comes as a pair of cases among White House staffers close to Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have put the West Wing’s coronavirus security procedures in the spotlight.

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[lord999]

I bet your techs would have something to say about risk vs compensation.

Lol, yeah, that's why there are at home dealing with programming matters as they no longer practice. I understand why someone starts as a tech, but since we're pharmacists, I cannot really see why I see career techs from your and my era. It was too good a deal not to convert, but you still had to go through school. In my parents' time, techs were paid about 75% of pharmacists, so I could see why you would have been a career tech then as well.

What's really amazing is there is a new precarious employment state that you can basically have a servant again through the delivery services. For what they have to put up with, I cannot see how this is worth it, but I love VC funds subsidizing my household's deliveries.

 

[Sparda29]

Stop doing fascist things, stop being called fascist. It's pretty simple.

I miss old fashion, actual conservatives.

I'd have been fine and comfortable with Romney as POTUS. Hell even that warhawk McCain would have been okay.

 

[Old Timer]

The real shame is that you can no longer carry conservative values without being called buzzwords like:

Fascist
Raceist
Sexist
Biggot
Nazi
Etc
Etc
Etc

Nothing in the video said conservative values are racist, facist, etc. What it basically said is the father of the modern American Conservative movement said you all are frauds that have lost your way and are in need of intellectual cleansing. In other words, you are no lonner espousing the beliefs and values of William F Buckley, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, etc....

 

[BidingMyTime]

Lol, it blows my mind how warped the liberal mindset can be of conservatives. Let me elaborate my previous point in a way you will understand...p

Just to clarify, I'm not a liberal, I'm a libertarian.
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1. I never said the quarantine was unneeded. The quarantine has done its job and will continue on in targeted populations.
2. Trump is nothing more than a public servant acting on the interests of the people who voted him into office. No one cares what he "wants".
3. The country is at a record 25% unemployment rate. People need to support themselves and their families.
4. We know more about the virus than before the quarantine: <6% death rate, where 58+% of deaths are in patients >75, and a quarter of deaths are estimated from LTC/nursing facilities
5. Hospital census is so low across the country that medical personnel are being furloughed. The entire purpose of the quarantine was to prevent an overload our hospitals.
6. People are arriving at the "breaking point" between acceptable risk (risk of acquiring covid) and desired benefit (employment/purpose). Surely you can understand their reasoning? Surely you are capable of developing your own thoughts outside of what is shoved down your throat from the definitely absolutely undoubtedly unbiased MSM.
   
   If you think it is just "Trump supporters" looking to remove the quarantine, you are blinded by your own ignorance.
7. >>[/quote]

I was referring to people on Facebook, and other social media-people I know. I'd estimate that 65% of the ones who are against the quarantine because they think it's the Democrats trying to ruin the economy to make Trump look bad. 15% are psychos who think it's a worldwide plot by the elite to force everyone to get some toxin from Bill Gates vaccine, 20% are Democrats who think it a plot for Trump to make himself dictator. The Democrats though, tend to believe the virus is real, just that Trump has some evil plot with it. Unlike the Republican's who think the virus is "just the flu." Obviously not all Republicans (or sensible people in any group) believe this, just all the ones on my FB thread....which I think my FB friends are a good reflection of my local community, but that may be different in other communities. But to clarify, I certainly didn't mean to imply that all or only Republicans are against the quarantine.

The only reason hospital census is low is because we stopped elective surgeries, and because the quarantine worked. IL at least, is starting elective surgeries again in some parts of the state. And seeing as how people in my local area are completely ignoring the quarantine (and a full 25% of those not wearing masks), I expect hospital rates to go up again quickly.

We really have NO idea what the death rate is, because of lack of testing. I think you are right, given South Korea's 2% death rate and they are testing the most of any country, 2% is probably pretty close. What I haven't seen counts of, people left with permanent organ damage after recovery. And now with the Kawasaki like syndrome in children, I think it is clear that we really have no idea what else this virus can do, immediate deaths are not the only concern.

I do not watch any MSM. I don't even have cable or satellite. I follow foreign media over the internet, and there are very concerning stories coming out of other countries, which most people in the US seem to be clueless about. If anything, I suspect the US media is downplaying the virus, which is why so many people (I personally know) think the virus is just something the Democrats and Republicans are batting about--they are clueless about what this virus is doing in other countries.

I agree with you that people are tired of the lock-down. I disagree that opening up now is the right time. We need to have extensive testing and contact tracing in place (like South Korea has done from the beginning,) and then open up. I think we are going to quickly overwhelm our hospitals. Germany has opened up parts of their country, and their death rate quickly went up, and now they are locking back down. Same thing happened in China. *No* country has been able to completely open up without seeing their death rates and infection rates climb. I see no reason why the US would be different.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I love how people that are easily susceptible to propaganda have turned "the mainstream media" into some sort of insult.

I get my news from AP, Reuters, CBS News, and BBC. I proudly listen to the mainstream news.

And they never tell you what their alternative is. Because their alternative is always like Twitter or some biased website like Infowars or something.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Trump's valet (the dude who goes on the McDonalds runs) tested positive for Covid19. Hopefully the orange man caught it as well.

Don't wish ill on anyone. But Trump and Pence's refusal to wear a mask or social distance, and from what I hear they didn't want anyone working in the White House wearing a mask, well actions have consequences. And their actions have set them up to be prime candidates for catching COVID.

I forgot I wasn't on Reddit lol. I would have probably gotten 2000 upvotes for that.
But yeah, it wouldn't be good if Trump croaks. Need Pence to croak as well. Then we have Pelosi up in the WH.

Oh yeah, Ms "let them eat ice cream". Who is the 4th in line, hopefully someone better?

To be fair, you are causing more death with an infectious virus versus causing people to tell you to stop smoking. Not exactly sure how much second hand smoke you need to get before getting seriously ill but all it takes is just 1 minute with someone with covid to become seriously ill. I would rather be caught smoking around people than to be around people not knowing I am infected.

This. And people comparing the number of deaths from 2nd hand smoking seem to forget, this is over year. With COVID, we've had almost 80,000 deaths in 2 MONTHS.

Your party is going to be 100% socialist in under 8 years and you've already been brainwashed into accepting it
On the other hand if you look up a conservative, not much has changed.

Actually both parties are Corporate Capitalists with very little practical difference between them. They might disagree over which corporations to favor, but both agree to favor corporations.

I love how people that are easily susceptible to propaganda have turned "the mainstream media" into some sort of insult.
I get my news from AP, Reuters, CBS News, and BBC. I proudly listen to the mainstream news.
And they never tell you what their alternative is. Because their alternative is always like Twitter or some biased website like Infowars or something.

Good point, MSM doesn't have to mean the soap-operaish acting on CNN or FOX....but sadly, there is where most people seem to get their news from.

 

[Sparda29]

Don't wish ill on anyone. But Trump and Pence's refusal to wear a mask or social distance, and from what I hear they didn't want anyone working in the White House wearing a mask, well actions have consequences. And their actions have set them up to be prime candidates for catching COVID.



Oh yeah, Ms "let them eat ice cream". Who is the 4th in line, hopefully someone better?



This. And people comparing the number of deaths from 2nd hand smoking seem to forget, this is over year. With COVID, we've had almost 80,000 deaths in 2 MONTHS.



Actually both parties are Corporate Capitalists with very little practical difference between them. They might disagree over which corporations to favor, but both agree to favor corporations.



Good point, MSM doesn't have to mean the soap-operaish acting on CNN or FOX....but sadly, there is where most people seem to get their news from.

I'm not a big fan of Pelosi. I'm actually supporting her primary challenger Shahid Buttar. Shahid Buttar For Congress 2020 - Resistance for Real

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Good point, MSM doesn't have to mean the soap-operaish acting on CNN or FOX....but sadly, there is where most people seem to get their news from.

Regular Joes don't regularly watch CNN, MSNBC, or Fox News. They half-ass watch the 6:30PM nightly news during dinner and maybe the local news at 11PM before their late night show of choice comes on. Calling cable news "mainstream" is precisely what's so wrong with that take. It isn't. Those are niche channels for niche audiences. Especially Fox News and MSNBC. Those are blatantly biased news channels that only appeal to blatantly biased individuals. CNN is just shamelessly sensationalist to get eyeballs at whatever cost.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Regular Joes don't regularly watch CNN, MSNBC, or Fox News. They half-ass watch the 6:30PM nightly news during dinner and maybe the local news at 11PM before their late night show of choice comes on. Calling cable news "mainstream" is precisely what's so wrong with that take. It isn't. Those are niche channels for niche audiences. Especially Fox News and MSNBC. Those are blatantly biased news channels that only appeal to blatantly biased individuals. CNN is just shamelessly sensationalist to get eyeballs at whatever cost.

Aren't all the late night shows on cable? I hear people talking about Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert and Tucker Carlson and Seth Meyers, I assumed these were the major sources where people get their news.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Aren't all the late night shows on cable? I hear people talking about Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert and Tucker Carlson and Seth Meyers, I assumed these were the major sources where people get their news.

Those are talk shows. If that's where they get info about current events, that's pretty sad.

 

[Emmet2301]

Regular Joes don't regularly watch CNN, MSNBC, or Fox News. They half-ass watch the 6:30PM nightly news during dinner and maybe the local news at 11PM before their late night show of choice comes on. Calling cable news "mainstream" is precisely what's so wrong with that take. It isn't. Those are niche channels for niche audiences. Especially Fox News and MSNBC. Those are blatantly biased news channels that only appeal to blatantly biased individuals. CNN is just shamelessly sensationalist to get eyeballs at whatever cost.

The CNN website is the worst. Sensationalist stories just to get views and half of them are in foreign countries, but they don't tell you that until you read the article. Plus all the ads and low quality writing just make it a terrible news source.

 

[DagS132]

This is getting insane. Most of the posters on my Nextdoor app are saying this virus is a hoax.

 

[JustFillIt]

Today I went to a grocery store (a store similar to Whole Foods). I was at the meat counter because I was looking for a bone-in prime ribeye.

I saw a woman who was in obvious emotional distress. She was shaking, highly anxious, and very frantic in her speech. My guess is she has not had anyone to talk to in a couple months and she is loosing her grip.

The meat counter was crowded with people and the concept of standing 6 feet apart was just not practical or possible - the only way this would be possible is if someone actually directed the human traffic.

Anyways - she lost it... she was screaming at everyone around her to stay 6 feet away from her. She started scolding people and shouting, “I don’t want your germs! Stay 6 feet away!” People we’re moving away from her but, like I said, it just was not possible without some sort of organizer... people got about 4 feet away and that was not good enough. She started having a panic attack right there in front of us. She started hyperventilating and straight up passed out on the floor. When she fell over she smashed her face on the meat counter and was bleeding from her cheek.

911 was called and the whole back of the store was closed and evacuated. They immediately got on the overhead and told everyone to vacate the back of the store for the time being.

In any case - I did not get my prime ribeye.. I instead, grilled bbq chicken today.. Wether or not we believe in opening, or closing, states - this is a huge damn mess in my opinion. I believe it does not matter where we stand on the issue - we have a very serious problem on our hands on so many levels...

 

[Momus]

Today I went to a grocery store (a store similar to Whole Foods). I was at the meat counter because I was looking for a bone-in prime ribeye.

I saw a woman who was in obvious emotional distress. She was shaking, highly anxious, and very frantic in her speech. My guess is she has not had anyone to talk to in a couple months and she is loosing her grip.

The meat counter was crowded with people and the concept of standing 6 feet apart was just not practical or possible - the only way this would be possible is if someone actually directed the human traffic.

Anyways - she lost it... she was screaming at everyone around her to stay 6 feet away from her. She started scolding people and shouting, “I don’t want your germs! Stay 6 feet away!” People we’re moving away from her but, like I said, it just was not possible without some sort of organizer... people got about 4 feet away and that was not good enough. She started having a panic attack right there in front of us. She started hyperventilating and straight up passed out on the floor. When she fell over she smashed her face on the meat counter and was bleeding from her cheek.

911 was called and the whole back of the store was closed and evacuated. They immediately got on the overhead and told everyone to vacate the back of the store for the time being.

In any case - I did not get my prime ribeye.. I instead, grilled bbq chicken today.. Wether or not we believe in opening, or closing, states - this is a huge damn mess in my opinion. I believe it does not matter where we stand on the issue - we have a very serious problem on our hands on so many levels...

That woman just won herself about 100-500k settlement. Bleeding from cheek - permanent face scar. Ambulance, hospital visit, medical bills, future medical bills, emotional distress, pain and suffering are all paid by business liability insurance (most will carry 1M). You have cameras everywhere, and tons of witnesses. This is a 100% payout for any personal injury lawyer (33.3%-40% take home pay).

I applaud her action (or panic overreaction happy).

Next time, the business will treat this 6 feet social distancing seriously.

 

[allantois]

Today I went to a grocery store (a store similar to Whole Foods). I was at the meat counter because I was looking for a bone-in prime ribeye.

I saw a woman who was in obvious emotional distress. She was shaking, highly anxious, and very frantic in her speech. My guess is she has not had anyone to talk to in a couple months and she is loosing her grip.

The meat counter was crowded with people and the concept of standing 6 feet apart was just not practical or possible - the only way this would be possible is if someone actually directed the human traffic.

Anyways - she lost it... she was screaming at everyone around her to stay 6 feet away from her. She started scolding people and shouting, “I don’t want your germs! Stay 6 feet away!” People we’re moving away from her but, like I said, it just was not possible without some sort of organizer... people got about 4 feet away and that was not good enough. She started having a panic attack right there in front of us. She started hyperventilating and straight up passed out on the floor. When she fell over she smashed her face on the meat counter and was bleeding from her cheek.

911 was called and the whole back of the store was closed and evacuated. They immediately got on the overhead and told everyone to vacate the back of the store for the time being.

In any case - I did not get my prime ribeye.. I instead, grilled bbq chicken today.. Wether or not we believe in opening, or closing, states - this is a huge damn mess in my opinion. I believe it does not matter where we stand on the issue - we have a very serious problem on our hands on so many levels...

people are treating CDC recommendations like some gospel and behaving totally irrationally and self-destructively. If someone is so concerned, they need to lock themselves in a house for good

I Just Flew. It Was Worse Than I Thought It Would Be.

The surreal experience of flying during a pandemic, and the false promise of a return to normal

www.theatlantic.com

 

[allantois]

That woman just won herself about 100-500k settlement. Bleeding from cheek - permanent face scar. Ambulance, hospital visit, medical bills, future medical bills, emotional distress, pain and suffering are all paid by business liability insurance (most will carry 1M). You have cameras everywhere, and tons of witnesses. This is a 100% payout for any personal injury lawyer (33.3%-40% take home pay).

I applaud her action (or panic overreaction happy).

Next time, the business will treat this 6 feet social distancing seriously.

She has no case. Last time I checked, CDC recommendations were just that, recommendations

 

[Momus]

She has no case. Last time I checked, CDC recommendations were just that, recommendations

Nope, she could fall for any reason and she can get free money. You don't even have to win in court to settle. This is a basic negligence claim to the business. Most insurances will just pay out. If it goes to trial, 100% sure this lady will win in front of a jury.

 

[deleted480308]

Nope, she could fall for any reason and she can get free money. You don't even have to win in court to settle. This is a basic negligence claim to the business. Most insurances will just pay out. If it goes to trial, 100% sure this lady will win in front of a jury.

I actually agree with your assessment despite hating everything about it

 

[awval999]

I actually agree with your assessment despite hating everything about it

Store will settle. They almost always do.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Those are talk shows. If that's where they get info about current events, that's pretty sad.

I'm pretty sure that is where they get all their news. My FB feed is filled with video clips of these guys and comments on something crazy they said (but the person posting it thinks it is 100% real. I don't even know are the TV guys, but I feel like they are my FB friends, because I see them in my feeds so much.

In any case - I did not get my prime ribeye.. I instead, grilled bbq chicken today.. Wether or not we believe in opening, or closing, states - this is a huge damn mess in my opinion. I believe it does not matter where we stand on the issue - we have a very serious problem on our hands on so many levels...

While I think a lock-down was needed, I agree with you it was done so haphazardly and ridiculously, that I now wonder why any of the states even bothered. And it is unreasonable to take people's jobs away, without giving them pay. I do think IL did the lockdown as well as could be done, they did it early, they pressured insurances to pay for telehealth psych calls, they actually have a plan for testing and contact tracing (now if only they actually had tests and contract tracers.....) However, too many cities aren't on board, and have been ignoring whatever parts of the lock-down they don't like.

And Florida, deciding that entertainment wrestling is "essential"?

People have just been so lucky to never have seen a plague before, and now they don't know they should take it seriously.

 

[DagS132]

... And Florida, deciding that entertainment wrestling is "essential"? ...

If you were talking about last night's UFC, I thoroughly enjoyed that entire card from start to finish. Im actually glad they went through it cause now other sporting events can take same precautions and start playing.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Hmm is Elon Musk correct? Is it fascism to keep the country locked down?

He's now threatening to leave California. Democratics are not happy with that woman who said F*** Elon Musk. I'm pretty sure she thought her followers would agree with her. I bet she regrets saying that now.

 

[deleted480308]

Hmm is Elon Musk correct? Is it fascism to keep the country locked down?

He's now threatening to leave California. Democratics are not happy with that woman who said F*** Elon Musk. I'm pretty sure she thought her followers would agree with her. I bet she regrets saying that now.

It’s certainly authoritarian and beyond what I consider scope of govt

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Hmm is Elon Musk correct? Is it fascism to keep the country locked down?

He's now threatening to leave California. Democratics are not happy with that woman who said F*** Elon Musk. I'm pretty sure she thought her followers would agree with her. I bet she regrets saying that now.

Well, it's not fascism. That's a word that has a meaning.

Musk probably isn't actually going to move. It would be idiotic. He'd have to spend billions, retrain a lot of his work force, piss off the state government that actually is all in on electric. For what? He can't handle being closed for a month? I think stockholders would crucify him for such stupidity.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Well, it's not fascism. That's a word that has a meaning.

Musk probably isn't actually going to move. It would be idiotic. He'd have to spend billions, retrain a lot of his work force, piss off the state government that actually is all in on electric. For what? He can't handle being closed for a month? I think stockholders would crucify him for such stupidity.

Maybe he's trying to make a point?

The government did it's part, now it's time to let the people have their freedom back.

 

[radio frequency]

Today I went to a grocery store (a store similar to Whole Foods). I was at the meat counter because I was looking for a bone-in prime ribeye.

I saw a woman who was in obvious emotional distress. She was shaking, highly anxious, and very frantic in her speech. My guess is she has not had anyone to talk to in a couple months and she is loosing her grip.

The meat counter was crowded with people and the concept of standing 6 feet apart was just not practical or possible - the only way this would be possible is if someone actually directed the human traffic.

Anyways - she lost it... she was screaming at everyone around her to stay 6 feet away from her. She started scolding people and shouting, “I don’t want your germs! Stay 6 feet away!” People we’re moving away from her but, like I said, it just was not possible without some sort of organizer... people got about 4 feet away and that was not good enough. She started having a panic attack right there in front of us. She started hyperventilating and straight up passed out on the floor. When she fell over she smashed her face on the meat counter and was bleeding from her cheek.

911 was called and the whole back of the store was closed and evacuated. They immediately got on the overhead and told everyone to vacate the back of the store for the time being.

In any case - I did not get my prime ribeye.. I instead, grilled bbq chicken today.. Wether or not we believe in opening, or closing, states - this is a huge damn mess in my opinion. I believe it does not matter where we stand on the issue - we have a very serious problem on our hands on so many levels...

I’ve also seen more psych events recently (unfortunately). Not quite like this, but similar issues.

 

[lane one]

Hmm is Elon Musk correct? Is it fascism to keep the country locked down?

He's now threatening to leave California. Democratics are not happy with that woman who said F*** Elon Musk. I'm pretty sure she thought her followers would agree with her. I bet she regrets saying that now.

I think Elon's position on this topic makes sense if you consider his perspective. He's convinced that if we don't colonize a planet and leave earth that human life will cease to exist. If that's the lens you approach your daily life through...1 million lives lost to a virus doesn't trouble you. To him, It's just a distraction.

 

[Sparda29]

I'm pretty sure that is where they get all their news. My FB feed is filled with video clips of these guys and comments on something crazy they said (but the person posting it thinks it is 100% real. I don't even know are the TV guys, but I feel like they are my FB friends, because I see them in my feeds so much.



While I think a lock-down was needed, I agree with you it was done so haphazardly and ridiculously, that I now wonder why any of the states even bothered. And it is unreasonable to take people's jobs away, without giving them pay. I do think IL did the lockdown as well as could be done, they did it early, they pressured insurances to pay for telehealth psych calls, they actually have a plan for testing and contact tracing (now if only they actually had tests and contract tracers.....) However, too many cities aren't on board, and have been ignoring whatever parts of the lock-down they don't like.

And Florida, deciding that entertainment wrestling is "essential"?

People have just been so lucky to never have seen a plague before, and now they don't know they should take it seriously.

That was the thing. They should have instituted a lockdown but you should have still been paid normally or at minimum 80% of your salary by your employers and the government should have reimbursed the employer (instead of the small business relief loans that people took without actually paying any of their employees).

 

[JustFillIt]

That was the thing. They should have instituted a lockdown but you should have still been paid normally or at minimum 80% of your salary by your employers and the government should have reimbursed the employer (instead of the small business relief loans that people took without actually paying any of their employees).

As socialist as this sounds - I hate to say I agree. The stimulus package really did just turn into another means to grab for money.

What a freaking mess this all is. All this bailout money should have all gone to the people. That would have spurred a massive spending stimulus which would have saved the worthy businesses

 

[BMBiology]

As socialist as this sounds - I hate to say I agree. The stimulus package really did just turn into another means to grab for money.

What a freaking mess this all is. All this bailout money should have all gone to the people. That would have spurred a massive spending stimulus which would have saved the worthy businesses

Thank you Andrew Yang.

 

[lane one]

As socialist as this sounds - I hate to say I agree. The stimulus package really did just turn into another means to grab for money.

What a freaking mess this all is. All this bailout money should have all gone to the people. That would have spurred a massive spending stimulus which would have saved the worthy businesses

Tough to save a business through consumer spending when you're not allowed to patronize that business. Good luck saving bars, restaurants, cruise lines and air carriers through consumer spending.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

New study projects 200k new cases per day by June due to reopening too soon.

These governors are going to kill us all.

All that the lockdown accomplished was delay herd immunity. Never in the history of humankind was the healthy quarantined. The lethality of this virus was way overblown.

What should have happened was the elderly and immunocompromised should have been isolated, the rest of society continue as usual. These draconian measures forced up on us fly against basic principles of epidemiology .

 

[JustFillIt]

Tough to save a business through consumer spending when you're not allowed to patronize that business. Good luck saving bars, restaurants, cruise lines and air carriers through consumer spending.

There is no perfect solution. But once again - the American people (lower to middle class) gets the short end of the stick.


If all this money that was used to bail out big business was distributed to the people instead - imagine the dollar amount of our stimulus payments. Even now with an “apocalyptic virus” making its rounds - you could probably convince me to use that money to fund a straight up crazy family vacation, buy a new car, and bump the banks by paying off existing debts. I don’t think there is ever a good arguement to not empower the people. However, I will concede that our population has devolved in many ways and intelligence/wisdom are not valued attributes among the general population - so maybe in the long run it would be a bad idea... I dunno...

Perhaps were all doomed?? This is the
beginning of the end?

 

[wagrxm2000]

All that the lockdown accomplished was delay herd immunity. Never in the history of humankind was the healthy quarantined. The lethality of this virus was way overblown.

What should have happened was the elderly and immunocompromised should have been isolated, the rest of society continue as usual. These draconian measures forced up on us fly against basic principles of epidemiology .

I think it will be interesting in seeing if Sweden had it right the whole time. Stress distancing and get herd immunity.

While I agreed with shutting down since we needed all the people who would take this seriously to actually do it. At this point, it's not accomplishing anything. There is now a max number of people that will be cautious whether we are open or not and the opposite who just don't care about being cautious.

It's time for the government to get out of the way and stop destroying the country like it always does. Let the people now decide what is best in their eyes.

 

[Old Timer]

All that the lockdown accomplished was delay herd immunity. Never in the history of humankind was the healthy quarantined. The lethality of this virus was way overblown.

What should have happened was the elderly and immunocompromised should have been isolated, the rest of society continue as usual. These draconian measures forced up on us fly against basic principles of epidemiology .

Study up dude. There is no herd immunity for any of the 7 Corona Viruses that infect human beings. If we had a competant government we would have done everything to boost testing. Testing and contact tracing would have allowed us to escape the draconian measures needed to flatten the curve. It was totally successful. We came within a whisker of overwhelming the healthcare system. If you think we would have surviced w/o the lock down you have been taking some serious acid or watching Fox News....



Substitute testing for breaking through and you get the idea. A massive government effort is what is required.