People have given up on the quarantine.

[wagrxm2000]

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You are aware that this is a laughably weak argument, though, right?

Smoking isn't a communicable disease.

Unless you count second hand smoke. Which is illegal already in public places just about everywhere.

And even if you don't, it's still not the same because it's not like second hand smoke victims get asymptomatic lung disease that they can then pass on to a tertiary individual.

Kills 40k secondhand every year.

Seems like a "communicable" death to me

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Kills

Kills 40k secondhand every year.

Seems like a "communicable" death to me

Those are idiots that choose to be around smokers, though. It's illegal in public places for a reason.

Unless it's a child, then it's child abuse. And should be illegal.

Still a laughably bad argument.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Those are idiots that choose to be around smokers, though. It's illegal in public places for a reason.

Unless it's a child, then it's child abuse. And should be illegal.

Still a laughably bad argument.

What is laughable is why certain deaths seem to be ok. If a person wants to risk their life by smoking or going to a ball game, what's the difference?

Why should I not be allowed to risk my life in public but I can slowly kill myself with a cigarette?

Deaths caused by smoking are completely preventable

 

[wagrxm2000]

Look people are idiots we already know this. Opening up the country is going to cause a ton of more deaths but people should be given the choice to risk their life.

 

[Old Timer]

You are aware that this is a laughably weak argument, though, right?

Smoking isn't a communicable disease.

Unless you count second hand smoke. Which is illegal already in public places just about everywhere.

And even if you don't, it's still not the same because it's not like second hand smoke victims get asymptomatic lung disease that they can then pass on to a tertiary individual.

You are actually using logic? Silly boy. that will never do. It'd much better to make ****e up.

 

[BMBiology]

Look people are idiots we already know this. Opening up the country is going to cause a ton of more deaths but people should be given the choice to risk their life.

I am fine with people who want to risk their lives.

But comparing smoking to this virus is a wracked comparison. You can easily tell when someone is smoking and it takes years to die from second hand smoke.

You can’t tell if someone is asymptomatic and all it takes just one exposure. You can even get it from touching a door knob.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

What is laughable is why certain deaths seem to be ok. If a person wants to risk their life by smoking or going to a ball game, what's the difference?

Why should I not be allowed to risk my life in public but I can slowly kill myself with a cigarette?

Deaths caused by smoking are completely preventable

It's about affecting other people. Can you put yourself at risk? Sure, knock yourself out. Can you put yourself at risk in a manner that puts unknowing people at risk? No.

It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[VictorOfHungerGames]

Lol, it blows my mind how warped the liberal mindset can be of conservatives. Let me elaborate my previous point in a way you will understand...

***Turns MAGA hat around on head... blows out candle resting next to Trump statue... grabs semi-automatic-bump stock AR off shelf with one hand, grabs confederate flag with the other on way out of trailer... jumps in diesel fueled lifted truck, does a couple of donuts in yard before heading off to the local internet cafe to use the small TV connected to the interweb***

1. I never said the quarantine was unneeded. The quarantine has done its job and will continue on in targeted populations.
2. Trump is nothing more than a public servant acting on the interests of the people who voted him into office. No one cares what he "wants".
3. The country is at a record 25% unemployment rate. People need to support themselves and their families.
4. We know more about the virus than before the quarantine: <6% death rate, where 58+% of deaths are in patients >75, and a quarter of deaths are estimated from LTC/nursing facilities
5. Hospital census is so low across the country that medical personnel are being furloughed. The entire purpose of the quarantine was to prevent an overload our hospitals.

People are arriving at the "breaking point" between acceptable risk (risk of acquiring covid) and desired benefit (employment/purpose). Surely you can understand their reasoning? Surely you are capable of developing your own thoughts outside of what is shoved down your throat from the definitely absolutely undoubtedly unbiased MSM.

If you think it is just "Trump supporters" looking to remove the quarantine, you are blinded by your own ignorance.

Since some people dont care about anything but their own voice and opinion, your point will be ignored again lol i do find it intriguing that your description of a conservative is everything i ever imagined. Lol

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Since some people dont care about anything but their own voice and opinion, your point will be ignored again lol i do find it intriguing that your description of a conservative is everything i ever imagined. Lol

Trump supporters aren't conservatives. They are fascists. Real conservatives believe in science (Trump isn't a fan), the value of human life (Trump doesn't care), austerity (remember when Paul Ryan was the star of the GOP?), free markets (Trump is anti-free market)...I could go on.

I'm still amazed that the GOP completely gave up on their basic principles so easily.

 

[PharmtoCS]

It's the same analogy with the pre-pharms that want to risk taking out $200k+ in student loans to get into our profession that is dying.

I would be fine if the pharmacist saturation affected only them but it does not. It also affects us working pharmacists since the unemployed new grads generally have less to lose when they beg for lower pay, accept abuse from the retail chains, and take shortcuts to compromise patient safety because they're terrified of not meeting metrics and losing their jobs.

 

[Sparda29]

But I thought that killing some people in the aggregate is worth it if it saves the economy. What if Sparda thinks that Trump dying would save the economy long term? Isn't Sparda just wanting to save lives through avoiding unemployment?

Also, I thought that we decided that COVID isn't really that bad. So people are getting upset about Trump getting the flu?

I forgot I wasn't on Reddit lol. I would have probably gotten 2000 upvotes for that.

But yeah, it wouldn't be good if Trump croaks. Need Pence to croak as well. Then we have Pelosi up in the WH.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Can we just keep killing them off until a scientist of some sort is in charge?

 

[DagS132]

What is laughable is why certain deaths seem to be ok. If a person wants to risk their life by smoking or going to a ball game, what's the difference?

Why should I not be allowed to risk my life in public but I can slowly kill myself with a cigarette?

Deaths caused by smoking are completely preventable

To be fair, you are causing more death with an infectious virus versus causing people to tell you to stop smoking. Not exactly sure how much second hand smoke you need to get before getting seriously ill but all it takes is just 1 minute with someone with covid to become seriously ill. I would rather be caught smoking around people than to be around people not knowing I am infected.

 

[wagrxm2000]

To be fair, you are causing more death with an infectious virus versus causing people to tell you to stop smoking. Not exactly sure how much second hand smoke you need to get before getting seriously ill but all it takes is just 1 minute with someone with covid to become seriously ill.

Well it is linked with causing 40k to die each year. Guess those lives don't matter.

Not to mention all the deaths from those that are actually smoking.

Aren't all lives equal? That's the argument I keep hearing. Somehow opening the country up means you don't care about peoples lives instead of allowing them to make a choice.

No one is dying by opening the country up, it's the choices that are made

 

[wagrxm2000]

Trump supporters aren't conservatives. They are fascists. Real conservatives believe in science (Trump isn't a fan), the value of human life (Trump doesn't care), austerity (remember when Paul Ryan was the star of the GOP?), free markets (Trump is anti-free market)...I could go on.

I'm still amazed that the GOP completely gave up on their basic principles so easily.

Your party is going to be 100% socialist in under 8 years and you've already been brainwashed into accepting it

On the other hand if you look up a conservative, not much has changed.

 

[DagS132]

Well it is linked with causing 40k to die each year. Guess those lives don't matter.

Not to mention all the deaths from those that are actually smoking.

Aren't all lives equal? That's the argument I keep hearing. Somehow opening the country up means you don't care about peoples lives instead of allowing them to make a choice.

No one is dying by opening the country up, it's the choices that are made

Strawman argument. Nobody said anything about people's lives not mattering, just you.
Also I find it really concerning that you would rather infect someone with covid19 over giving someone second hand smoke for a second or two.

 

[Seriously Serious]

Your party is going to be 100% socialist in under 8 years and you've already been brainwashed into accepting it

On the other hand if you look up a conservative, not much has changed.

That's the very definition of "conservative", to conserve lol. On the extreme ends of the Liberal-Conservative political spectrum, liberals desire too much change and conservatives desire to stay the same, in some cases retract. In the end, we need each other for balance. Too much change too quickly is not good, not evolving and not moving forward is also not good. In the middle, are the sane American citizens who want a little of both.

 

[Seriously Serious]

Sparda insulted their god. Snowflake MAGA people upset. They even downthumbed his post. That means they are really, really upset.

Or... maybe we are not psychopaths who wish someone to die simply because we do not like them. It's a shame, Liberals really do lack class.

 

[DagS132]

Or... maybe we are not psychopaths who wish someone to die simply because we do not like them. It's a shame, Liberals really do lack class.

I really was hoping Kim Jong Un to have covid19

 

[wagrxm2000]

Strawman argument. Nobody said anything about people's lives not mattering, just you.
Also I find it really concerning that you would rather infect someone with covid19 over giving someone second hand smoke for a second or two.

Lives not mattering has been brought up many times.

No where did I say infect someone, I said they should have the right to go out.

If a person should be allowed to smoke and cause second hand smoke why shouldn't that same person not be able to go to say a ballgame?

 

[owlegrad]

If a person should be allowed to smoke and cause second hand smoke why shouldn't that same person not be able to go to say a ballgame?

Actually a person’s right to spread second hand smoke IS severely limited. Depending on the state you can’t smoke in restaurants, public buildings, at airports except for designated smoking areas, etc etc.

So yeah we already attempt to mitigate the damage of second hand smoke while allowing people who want to smoke to do so.

 

[deleted480308]

Actually a person’s right to spread second hand smoke IS severely limited. Depending on the state you can’t smoke in restaurants, public buildings, at airports except for designated smoking areas, etc etc.

So yeah we already attempt to mitigate the damage of second hand smoke while allowing people who want to smoke to do so.

But that’s just limiting the geography of a smoked cigarette, the citizen can still walk anywhere they want.

the lockdowns are literally infringing rights, albeit with the argument of “it’s for your own good”

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Your party is going to be 100% socialist in under 8 years and you've already been brainwashed into accepting it

On the other hand if you look up a conservative, not much has changed.

The Pennsylvania registered "No Party" is going to be socialist? Dang. Now that's a prediction.

 

[wagrxm2000]

The Pennsylvania registered "No Party" is going to be socialist? Dang. Now that's a prediction.

I see your vote matters....

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Can't I just think that Trump is complete trash without being lumped in with the Democrats? Because, while I think the Democrats suck, Trump truly is on a whole other level of incompetent, stupid, embarrassing, and absurd.

 

[JustFillIt]

Can't I just think that Trump is complete trash without being lumped in with the Democrats? Because, while I think the Democrats suck, Trump truly is on a whole other level of incompetent, stupid, embarrassing, and absurd.

You can’t have this luxury and say something ignorant like, “I see all trump supporters as fascists”. You are trying to appear impartial, reasonable, and as though you are thinking critically.

On the other hand you are saying something entirely ignorant.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Can't I just think that Trump is complete trash without being lumped in with the Democrats? Because, while I think the Democrats suck, Trump truly is on a whole other level of incompetent, stupid, embarrassing, and absurd.

Not a republican myself

So are you voting Democrat?

 

[DagS132]

Lives not mattering has been brought up many times.

No where did I say infect someone, I said they should have the right to go out.

If a person should be allowed to smoke and cause second hand smoke why shouldn't that same person not be able to go to say a ballgame?

What? The smoker can go to the ball game, he isn't going to infect anyone. Do you not understand what I am trying to say?

 

[WVUPharm2007]

You can’t have this luxury and say something ignorant like, “I see all trump supporters as fascists”. You are trying to appear impartial, reasonable, and as though you are thinking critically.

On the other hand you are saying something entirely ignorant.

I said Trump is a fascist, not his followers. Which he is. His followers are just fools.

His immigration policy is set by this dude in his early 30s that is a white nationalist for Christ's sake. There were Nazis marching in Virginia and he said that there were excellent people on both sides. He hates antifascist groups. He loves autocrats. I have zero qualms at all calling him out. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a Nazi. Or however it goes.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Not a republican myself

So are you voting Democrat?

If it's Trump vs Biden, I pretty much have to. I'll take a boring, run-of-the-mill Democrat over a fascist any day of the week. If I didn't live in a swing state, I'd probably write in Andrew Yang as a protest vote. But I don't, so I'm pressed into voting for Scranton Joe.

If it were someone like McCain (RIP) vs Biden, I would probably vote for McCain. We need an old school, strong, pro-Democracy, pro-American leadership president that would put Putin and Xi in their place.

 

[wagrxm2000]

What? The smoker can go to the ball game, he isn't going to infect anyone. Do you not understand what I am trying to say?

You clearly don't understand me.

Everyone going to a ball game is taking a risk of getting infected. They have that right.

Just like they have the right to take a risk of smoking and an the consequences.

 

[DagS132]

You clearly don't understand me.

Everyone going to a ball game is taking a risk of getting infected. They have that right.

Just like they have the right to take a risk of smoking and an the consequences.

Yes they do. They can get infected if they want but if they DO get infected, they should not be acting like its not any worse than spreading second hand smoke. Just like how you shouldn't be going around breathing smoke into people's faces. Im just saying have some consideration for others....

 

[wagrxm2000]

If it's Trump vs Biden, I pretty much have to. I'll take a boring, run-of-the-mill Democrat over a fascist any day of the week. If I didn't live in a swing state, I'd probably write in Andrew Yang as a protest vote. But I don't, so I'm pressed into voting for Scranton Joe.

If it were someone like McCain (RIP) vs Biden, I would probably vote for McCain. We need an old school, strong, pro-Democracy, pro-American leadership president that would put Putin and Xi in their place.

You are always welcome to have your opinion but what Trump is doing as President, not his personality, is what the republican party wants.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Yes they do. They can get infected if they want but if they DO get infected, they should not be acting like its not any worse than spreading second hand smoke. Just like how you shouldn't be going around breathing smoke into people's faces. Im just saying have some consideration for others....

Consideration for who?

People's rights?

I'm pretty sure you just agreed with me

 

[owlegrad]

You clearly don't understand me.

Everyone going to a ball game is taking a risk of getting infected. They have that right.

Just like they have the right to take a risk of smoking and an the consequences.

You could use this argument for literally any risk. Why do we have to wear seat belts? Why can't we drink and drive? Why can't we do literally anything we want regardless of risk?

In practical terms smoking is probably legal because historically the risks weren't always known and once something is normalized it is hard to outlaw it. It wasn't that long ago that it was advertised as healthy.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

You are always welcome to have your opinion but what Trump is doing as President, not his personality, is what the republican party wants.

I know. They've gone from the conservative party to the fascist party. I miss the old school conservatives. They were important. They kept the liberals' over-the-top ideas in check. They were the leaders in national security. The old liberal-conservative dichotomy worked so well...until it didn't.

 

[wagrxm2000]

The lockdown was important and Trump did the right thing

Everyone at this point that is going to be cautious will do that now so it's time to give people their rights back.

 

[DagS132]

Consideration for who?

People's rights?

I'm pretty sure you just agreed with me

So you are okay with infected people just mingling with other non infected people? The rights of others are more important than their health? What are you doing in healthcare?

 

[deleted480308]

You could use this argument for literally any risk. Why do we have to wear seat belts? Why can't we drink and drive? Why can't we do literally anything we want regardless of risk?

In practical terms smoking is probably legal because historically the risks weren't always known and once something is normalized it is hard to outlaw it. It wasn't that long ago that it was advertised as healthy.

We shouldn’t have to wear seat belts

 

[wagrxm2000]

I know. They've gone from the conservative party to the fascist party. I miss the old school conservatives. They were important. They kept the liberals' over-the-top ideas in check. They were the leaders in national security. The old liberal-conservative dichotomy worked so well...until it didn't.

That is not true, you need to look up what conservatives believe in.

 

[deleted480308]

So you are okay with infected people just mingling with other non infected people? The rights of others are more important than their health? What are you doing in healthcare?

If someone knows they are positive? Stay home (typhoid mary).

but no one can go out because we might end up with it? Nope

 

[wagrxm2000]

So you are okay with infected people just mingling with other non infected people? The rights of others are more important than their health? What are you doing in healthcare?

Again what?

No, everyone that is mingling with each other is taking a risk.

It's that plain and simple.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

We shouldn’t have to wear seat belts

I could argue that your body, if not secured, has the potential to become a missile and injure bystanders.

 

[wagrxm2000]

You could use this argument for literally any risk. Why do we have to wear seat belts? Why can't we drink and drive? Why can't we do literally anything we want regardless of risk?

In practical terms smoking is probably legal because historically the risks weren't always known and once something is normalized it is hard to outlaw it. It wasn't that long ago that it was advertised as healthy.

That's what I'm saying though, why are we concerned about some things but not others

No I should not be required to wear a seat belt. I do wear it though.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Well I have to go to work. It's been a pleasure everyone.

 

[JustFillIt]

Trump supporters aren't conservatives. They are fascists. Real conservatives believe in science (Trump isn't a fan), the value of human life (Trump doesn't care), austerity (remember when Paul Ryan was the star of the GOP?), free markets (Trump is anti-free market)...I could go on.

I'm still amazed that the GOP completely gave up on their basic principles so easily.

Trump supports are fascists?

I support our president. Do you suspect that I am a fascist?

 

[WVUPharm2007]

That is not true, you need to look up what conservatives believe in.

Austerity (Trump =spend, spend, spend + easy money central bank policy)
Free Markets (wants to limit immigration, wants to bring back jobs that the free market decided can be done cheaper elsewhere)
National Security (he's been an abject failure, Russia is still leveraging a vicious propaganda campaign)
States Rights (Trump thinks his power is supreme)

That's just off the top of my head. Trump isn't a conservative.

 

[DagS132]

If someone knows they are positive? Stay home (typhoid mary).

but no one can go out because we might end up with it? Nope

Again what?

No, everyone that is mingling with each other is taking a risk.

It's that plain and simple.

I see whats happening. Here, let me clear this up. I only stated that second hand smoking and spreading a virus aren't the same thing(implying we have someone who is smoking versus someone who is infected). Don't believe me? Reread my original post.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Trump supports are fascists?

I support our president. Do you suspect that I am a fascist?

Depends. If you support the fascist parts of his policy, then, yes, you are a fascist.

Some Trump supporters aren't. They are opportunists. Like McConnell. He DGAF as long as he can use Trump to stack the courts now and figure it out later. Once the baby boomers die off and they need to circle the wagons and reinvent themselves for a post-white-majority America starting in the 2030s.

 

[deleted480308]

I could argue that your body, if not secured, has the potential to become a missile and injure bystanders.

Let’s not be dishonest in our arguments, that rule is about protecting the person buckled up