People have given up on the quarantine.

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

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Business owners are taking the biggest L. They are not making any money but if they don’t pay their debt, their credit would be destroyed and they would not be able to borrow again. That is a death sentence for most businesses.

The federal aid promised to them is so convoluted that many owners are scared to accept the loans. And the ones that try to apply for them never receive the money.

 

[M0df]

Is this what its all about? Whos side whos on? Lol come on man it aint middle school. Stand your own ground. And stop putting words in people’s mouths. Literally no one said anything you claimed said. Youre just taking a piece of whats said and making a book out of it. If you dont have anything tangible to say about it and mad that someone disagrees with you, just stay out of the convo.

I responded to you without insults and wasn't aggressive and this is what you come up with. Look at the sequence of my responses when you brought that up. Don't ask for any respect if you act like that.

 

[VictorOfHungerGames]

The federal aid promised to them is so convoluted that many owners are scared to accept the loans. And the ones that try to apply for them never receive the money.

I mean it's the government lol My parents applied the same day they opened the ppp loan application but received it almost a month later. There is a youtuber named Brian, his channel is called ClearValue Tax. He a CPA in Chicago area. He used to sigh so much during this videos trying to explain what the heck is going on with the ppp loans, it was funny to watch him just obliterate the IRS.

We needed close to $10k to cover for our employees for my parents business but the government only approved for $2000. My parents had to pay some of the employees from their own pocket. Even though they were closed, they were taking orders on the phone and delivering goods. Revenue obviously has gone down but thankfully they're breaking even at least.

I'm hearing so much about child abuse and attempted suicides during this quarantine. Glad Texas decided to open up. My gym is fulling opening starting next week. It's time to go back to working out again lol #youevenliftbro

 

[JustFillIt]

I mean it's the government lol My parents applied the same day they opened the ppp loan application but received it almost a month later. There is a youtuber named Brian, his channel is called ClearValue Tax. He a CPA in Chicago area. He used to sigh so much during this videos trying to explain what the heck is going on with the ppp loans, it was funny to watch him just obliterate the IRS.

We needed close to $10k to cover for our employees for my parents business but the government only approved for $2000. My parents had to pay some of the employees from their own pocket. Even though they were closed, they were taking orders on the phone and delivering goods. Revenue obviously has gone down but thankfully they're breaking even at least.

I'm hearing so much about child abuse and attempted suicides during this quarantine. Glad Texas decided to open up. My gym is fulling opening starting next week. It's time to go back to working out again lol #youevenliftbro

Don’t you just love the feeling you get after you just whale on the pecs after 3 sets of 10 on the bench....


I need to get back to my gym...

 

[BMBiology]

We can come to a consensus:

1) Covid19 is more deadly than the flu. The death rate is probably < 1%.

2) Unknown long term effect on health.

3) We can’t stay at home for the next 18 months (until we find a vaccine).

4) There is no guaranteed there will be a vaccine. We have not found a vaccine for SARS which is also a coronavirus.

5) Businesses should open with restrictions.

6) Everyone should wear a mask in public. Masks work.

7) No public gathering.







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[JustFillIt]

We can come to a consensus:

1) Covid19 is more deadly than the flu. The death rate is probably < 1%.

2) Unknown long term effect on health.

3) We can’t stay at home for the next 18 months (until we find a vaccine).

4) There is no guaranteed there will be a vaccine. We have not found a vaccine for SARS which is also a coronavirus.

5) Businesses should open with restrictions.

6) Everyone should wear a mask in public. Masks work.

7) No public gathering.







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Yea - I can agree with these points..

The mask thing is difficult for me. I really do not like it one bit. In fact, I would say general interactions in public where maintaining a reasonable distance among people is possible - a mask is not necessary. To me, something about seeing facial expression, and communication with other ms through my non-verbal communication is so important. It pains me to wear a mask.. I like to smile at people and I like to see others smile at me, it makes for a good day.

Social justice shamers - please do not comment as I wear a mask when I am asked to. And I am not “one of those guys” who don’t do it to make a point. I went to costco last night and wore a mask. However, I am going to a small mom/pop store today to buy a couple things (may be about 5-10 people in there at the most at any given time) and I do not plan on wearing a mask.. I am not afraid of them sneezing on me nor am I afraid that I will sneeze on them.

I reserve the right to judge for myself when it is/isn’t appropriate to wear a mask. I also respect 100% when I am asked to wear one - I’ll do it

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

We can come to a consensus:

1) Covid19 is more deadly than the flu. The death rate is probably < 1%.

2) Unknown long term effect on health.

3) We can’t stay at home for the next 18 months (until we find a vaccine).

4) There is no guaranteed there will be a vaccine. We have not found a vaccine for SARS which is also a coronavirus.

5) Businesses should open with restrictions.

6) Everyone should wear a mask in public. Masks work.

7) No public gathering.







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There is actually a video where Fauci states face masks have little value for the public:

VIDEO: DR. FAUCI ADMITS FACE MASKS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST CORONAVIRUS – [your]NEWS

Medical ‘experts’ have been issuing contradictory statements, confusing the public

yournews.com

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Face masks worn for extended periods of time increase respiratory rate due to decreased oxygen intake which increase stress hormone cortisol. This leads to immunosuppression along with a host of other problems

 

[BMBiology]

There is actually a video where Fauci states face masks have little value for the public:

VIDEO: DR. FAUCI ADMITS FACE MASKS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST CORONAVIRUS – [your]NEWS

Medical ‘experts’ have been issuing contradictory statements, confusing the public

yournews.com

The truth is...there wasn’t enough masks for everyone. Instead of telling the public the truth, our government told everyone masks are not needed so they can stockpile masks for healthcare professionals who need them more than the general public.

Masks work. Even if masks reduce transmission by 50%, that is still pretty good. Wear them not only for yourself but also for your friends and family members.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

The truth is...there wasn’t enough masks for everyone. Instead of telling the public the truth, our government told everyone masks are not needed so they can stockpile masks for healthcare professionals who need them more than the general public.

Masks work. Even if masks reduce transmission by 50%, that is still pretty good. Wear them not only for yourself but also for your friends and family members.

The government lying to us about something as simple as face masks hmmm... I wonder what else they are hiding? You're sounding like a conspirator lol

 

[JustFillIt]

The government lying to us about something as simple as face masks hmmm... I wonder what else they are hiding? You're sounding like a conspirator lol

Hate to say it - good point...

 

[BMBiology]

The government lying to us about something as simple as face masks hmmm... I wonder what else they are hiding? You're sounding like a conspirator lol

Our government is incompetent.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Our government is incompetent.

They may appear incompetent for show, their motives are sinister. Even poor governments with much "incompetencies" have a surplus of masks.

The whole shortage of masks was a ploy to make the public believe in the lethality of the virus.

 

[BMBiology]

They may appear incompetent for show, their motives are sinister. Even poor governments with much "incompetencies" have a surplus of masks.

The whole shortage of masks was a ploy to make the public believe in the lethality of the virus.

You are reading too much into this. Just because seatbelts don’t always work, that doesn’t mean seatbelts don’t save lives.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

You are reading too much into this. Just because seatbelts don’t always work, that doesn’t mean seatbelts don’t save lives.

I'm just giving you a different perspective on why the government would lie on something so simply as face masks. The devil can be in the details just sayin

 

[BMBiology]

I'm just giving you a different perspective on why the government would lie on something so simply as face masks. The devil can be in the details just sayin

Not trusting our government is one thing but to disregard everything is silly.

Some people are naturally contrarian. The truth is not as important as going against popular opinions. They think they are smart but I find them to be annoying.

 

[BMBiology]

I used to work with a tech who is a contrarian. If I told people putting money into their 401 k is a smart idea, she would give them reasons why it is a bad idea. If I said it is a bad idea, she would explain why it is a good idea. She doesn’t really have a position. She just wants others to know she is knowledgeable. Their approval means the world to her.

 

[VictorOfHungerGames]

Just like Wisconsin's supreme court has ruled, this type of enforcements are not feasible and flat out unconstitutional when we know covid19 isn't what it was once advertised. Yes, it is a novel virus and blah blah blah please save the lecture, i can read.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say that it is your immune system that will protect you from any viral infection. If ONE virus gets through the mask, you're done. There was a meme online on how wearing a mask to protect yourself is like putting up barbwires to protect yourself from mosquitoes. One of my patients was tested positive but his wife and his kids were not. May be an isolated incident but sounded more like the flu. My wife was test positive for the flu last year, I was not. Unless the death rate hits in the ebola range, I feel like we should just live our lives as before.

Just like I tell my techs, if you feel the need to wear the masks, please do by all means but don't force others do the same when it probably won't make a huge difference.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I used to work with a tech who is a contrarian. If I told people putting money into their 401 k is a smart idea, she would give them reasons why it is a bad idea. If I said it is a bad idea, she would explain why it is a good idea. She doesn’t really have a position. She just wants others to know she is knowledgeable. Their approval means the world to her.

Yes u are right their are people like that. I assure u that I don't seek assurance from people accepting my views, I know my views are on the extreme fringe.

I just hope to plant the seeds of doubt among people reading this thread haha

 

[VictorOfHungerGames]

I used to work with a tech who is a contrarian. If I told people putting money into their 401 k is a smart idea, she would give them reasons why it is a bad idea. If I said it is a bad idea, she would explain why it is a good idea. She doesn’t really have a position. She just wants others to know she is knowledgeable. Their approval means the world to her.

Contrarian, that's what it's called. I never knew the term for it lol I've ran into a few techs like that too. Just giving opposing point of view for unknown reasons haha

 

[PharmtoCS]

5) Businesses should open with restrictions.

6) Everyone should wear a mask in public. Masks work.

7) No public gathering.

Many have already reached a compromise that businesses and public areas can reopen with these precautions in place. The problem is that there are still crowds of people who think they have the right not to wear masks, stay <6 feet away from others, and throw large parties as if the pandemic didn't exist.

Without mass testing, contact tracing, and social distancing we would be back to ground zero. Cases would spike, everyone would panic, there will be another lockdown, the economy will tank again anyway, and we'll end up with a lot more dead bodies.

 

[BMBiology]

Many have already reached a compromise that businesses and public areas can reopen with these precautions in place. The problem is that there are still crowds of people who think they have the right not to wear masks, stay
Without mass testing, contact tracing, and social distancing we would be back to ground zero. Cases would spike, everyone would panic, there will be another lockdown, the economy will tank again anyway, and we'll end up with a lot more dead bodies.

I am for more testing, tracing and social distancing.

Some people are not taking this seriously. There is not much you can do other than bringing in the military. It is not necessary all bad either. Nothing like a spike in death or a death in the family to change people minds.

 

[deleted480308]

Many have already reached a compromise that businesses and public areas can reopen with these precautions in place. The problem is that there are still crowds of people who think they have the right not to wear masks, stay <6 feet away from others, and throw large parties as if the pandemic didn't exist.

Without mass testing, contact tracing, and social distancing we would be back to ground zero. Cases would spike, everyone would panic, there will be another lockdown, the economy will tank again anyway, and we'll end up with a lot more dead bodies.

They actually do have the right if everyone in the crowd is a consenting adult

 

[Emmet2301]

The truth is...there wasn’t enough masks for everyone. Instead of telling the public the truth, our government told everyone masks are not needed so they can stockpile masks for healthcare professionals who need them more than the general public.

Masks work. Even if masks reduce transmission by 50%, that is still pretty good. Wear them not only for yourself but also for your friends and family members.

I can understand why they did what they did, but it was very dishonest. Will definitely make me question them more in the future.

 

[Sparda29]

I have an idea for an app for contact tracing but I don't know how to do app coding, and I don't know if Apple/Android would be willing to slide it into their next update quietly.

The app would be designed to:

1) have the phones send out bluetooth pings and phones within a certain proximity would document the ping (time, date, gps location, name, registered address, etc)
2) if someone tests positive for Covid or any other highly contagious disease transmitted via respiratory vector, the health care provider would find out the cell phone provider for the patient and inform them to mark them as infected
3) alerts would automatically go off on the phones of people who received pings from the infected person that they may have been exposed and to proceed to get tested

Yeah it's kinda big brother but oh well, we've already been big brother on anti-terrorism for the last 19 years.

 

[Old Timer]

We can come to a consensus:

1) Covid19 is more deadly than the flu. The death rate is probably < 1%.

Mostly agree I think and the doctors I follow in NYC seem to think it's about 1-2%

2) Unknown long term effect on health.

100% Agree

3) We can’t stay at home for the next 18 months (until we find a vaccine).

No, but if we were not a scoceirty of ******* and wimps and we had a forward thinking government, we could have closed down for three months and been well on our way to recovery, medically and economically.

4) There is no guaranteed there will be a vaccine. We have not found a vaccine for SARS which is also a coronavirus.

I heard this guy on Dr, Radio in the last couple of days and we were making progress on a SARS vaccine when it petered out and there are successful vaccines for Corona Viruses in the animal world

5) Businesses should open with restrictions.

As long as those restrictions are based on science

6) Everyone should wear a mask in public. Masks work.

As long as you exempt exercise. Can't jog, run or ride a bike with a mask

7) No public gathering.

100000000000000% agree







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[Old Timer]

They actually do have the right if everyone in the crowd is a consenting adult

With rights come responsibilities. Since you can spread this virus asymptomatically. you are endangering others. Same as yelling fire ina crowded theater.

 

[sakigt]

No public gatherings means no theme parks, concerts, fireworks, sporting events...

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

I have an idea for an app for contact tracing but I don't know how to do app coding, and I don't know if Apple/Android would be willing to slide it into their next update quietly.

The app would be designed to:

1) have the phones send out bluetooth pings and phones within a certain proximity would document the ping (time, date, gps location, name, registered address, etc)
2) if someone tests positive for Covid or any other highly contagious disease transmitted via respiratory vector, the health care provider would find out the cell phone provider for the patient and inform them to mark them as infected
3) alerts would automatically go off on the phones of people who received pings from the infected person that they may have been exposed and to proceed to get tested

Yeah it's kinda big brother but oh well, we've already been big brother on anti-terrorism for the last 19 years.

Pretty sure I read that Google was already working on something similar to this. I'd say I'm not one to worry too much about my online privacy/big data but something about this doesn't really sit right with me.

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[deleted480308]

With rights come responsibilities. Since you can spread this virus asymptomatically. you are endangering others. Same as yelling fire ina crowded theater.

Which only makes the decision harder, doesn’t remove the right

 

[Old Timer]

Which only makes the decision harder, doesn’t remove the right

Agreed. but YOUR freedom does not trump MINE. There is a reason Jefferson put Life first in the Phrase Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness... Also, I would bet most of the yahoos protesting don't know what the Federalist Papers are let alone read them. Patrock Henry didn't say Give me a pedicure or give me death.

 

[deleted480308]

Agreed. but YOUR freedom does not trump MINE. There is a reason Jefferson put Life first in the Phrase Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness... Also, I would bet most of the yahoos protesting don't know what the Federalist Papers are let alone read them. Patrock Henry didn't say Give me a pedicure or give me death.

I agree on part of your statement but not your application afterward. Your freedom means you don’t have to come outside to be near me. Go ahead and stay home. My freedom means I get to decide if I want to go out. We all know there is a dangerous disease out there, we all have a right to decide our reactions

 

[Old Timer]

I agree on part of your statement but not your application afterward. Your freedom means you don’t have to come outside to be near me. Go ahead and stay home. My freedom means I get to decide if I want to go out. We all know there is a dangerous disease out there, we all have a right to decide our reactions

Dude, if this was the attitide during WWII you would be saying Seig Heil. If you can't hang for 2-3 months to save our socieety from a pandemic, we are just a bunch of whiny, narcissistic, ******* who have no right to inherit what our funders gave us. There is a difference between Freedom and FREE-DUMB.

You can go out, you just can't go to a retail establishment and shop, dine out, or get your hair cut, You can ride a bike, take a walk, jog ro whatever you want. Unless your state says stay in your house only, not that way in PA, Again Give me a hair cut or give me death rings hollow...

 

[Medicineman23]

I have an idea for an app for contact tracing but I don't know how to do app coding, and I don't know if Apple/Android would be willing to slide it into their next update quietly.

The app would be designed to:

1) have the phones send out bluetooth pings and phones within a certain proximity would document the ping (time, date, gps location, name, registered address, etc)
2) if someone tests positive for Covid or any other highly contagious disease transmitted via respiratory vector, the health care provider would find out the cell phone provider for the patient and inform them to mark them as infected
3) alerts would automatically go off on the phones of people who received pings from the infected person that they may have been exposed and to proceed to get tested

Yeah it's kinda big brother but oh well, we've already been big brother on anti-terrorism for the last 19 years.

South Korea is relying on technology to contain COVID-19, including measures that would break privacy laws in the US — and so far, it's working

Beyond high-tech approaches, South Korea has also focused on a more straightforward measure: Making COVID-19 tests widely available.

www.businessinsider.com

Nice idea, but it's already been done and used on a wide scale. South Korea used it to keep their total deaths <250

Health authorities will use CCTV footage, credit card transaction data, travel information, and location data to keep tabs on patients.

Using the smart city data bank combined with artificial intelligence, it would take an official roughly 10 minutes to figure out where a patient traveled over the course of the day, Reuters reports.

New arrivals also have to download a government smartphone app that tracks their location and asks them to report any symptoms, according to Reuters. Even those without symptoms are forced to self-quarantine for two weeks, after which the app displays a message saying they're allowed to delete the app from their phone.

 

[Old Timer]

South Korea is relying on technology to contain COVID-19, including measures that would break privacy laws in the US — and so far, it's working

Beyond high-tech approaches, South Korea has also focused on a more straightforward measure: Making COVID-19 tests widely available.

www.businessinsider.com

Nice idea, but it's already been done and used on a wide scale. South Korea used it to keep their total deaths <250

How do think allowing the government access to that information will go with "FREE-DUMB" crowd. I am not in that group and I am uncomfortable allowing the government to have access to that data.

 

[Medicineman23]

How do think allowing the government access to that information will go with "FREE-DUMB" crowd. I am not in that group and I am uncomfortable allowing the government to have access to that data.

I agree with your stance. I was just replying to the poster who said something to the tune of "well, our freedom already was given up after the heightened terrorism stance so what's to stop us from implementing this type of technology"

 

[deleted480308]

Dude, if this was the attitide during WWII you would be saying Seig Heil. If you can't hang for 2-3 months to save our socieety from a pandemic, we are just a bunch of whiny, narcissistic, ******* who have no right to inherit what our funders gave us. There is a difference between Freedom and FREE-DUMB.

You can go out, you just can't go to a retail establishment and shop, dine out, or get your hair cut, You can ride a bike, take a walk, jog ro whatever you want. Unless your state says stay in your house only, not that way in PA, Again Give me a hair cut or give me death rings hollow...

Yeah, we have very different notions of freedom if you think “you’re free as long as you don’t leave your house to worship/assemble/do business and also we can make you not leave your house” works

 

[Old Timer]

Yeah, we have very different notions of freedom if you think “you’re free as long as you don’t leave your house to worship/assemble/do business and also we can make you not leave your house” works

My synagogue is closed. They care more about my life. The idea you should be able to gather in large groups in the middle of pandemic to worship is *****ic in the extreme.

One more thing. Thank the President for this. the US and South Korea reported their first case within days of each other and the outcomes are different. If we did what they did we would all be open. Since they totally fumbled the ball we had to go to mitigation. Without this the deaths would be in the milllions and the economy would have tanked anyway as more people would be sick and nobody would go out anyway

 

[Old Timer]

I agree with your stance. I was just replying to the poster who said something to the tune of "well, our freedom already was given up after the heightened terrorism stance so what's to stop us from implementing this type of technology"

It's an interesting thought. I guess I could agree if legislation were passed that indicated none of this data could be used by any government in a prosecution of any citizen. South Korea is living proof that test, trace and isolate is the only was short of vaccine to control this virus. Had we done what S. Koread did everyone would be working now.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I find it interesting that people on this forum don't question the government dictating to the public what and where it is safe. They do however question when their privacy is supposedly in jeopardy. They have relinquished the most important thing but seek to protect something they have lost already.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Also, the reason why the UK, US, and most of the world went into lockdown was largely in part due to the research done by Neil Ferguson's epidemiology models which predicted millions of lives lost and hospital systems inundated if no actions were taken.

His research has now been discredited and hailed as one of the most erroneous to ever be conducted. The people on this forum who cite the devestating toll we would have faced as a nation if no lockdown was mandated do not know the source of their error.

Moreover, he recently resigned when it was found out that he violated lockdown measures. He decided to go out and get his willie wet with a married woman. Can you blame him, she looks hot, lol.

Redirect Notice

 

[deleted480308]

My synagogue is closed. They care more about my life. The idea you should be able to gather in large groups in the middle of pandemic to worship is *****ic in the extreme.

One more thing. Thank President ***** for this. the US and South Korea reported their first case within days of each other and the outcomes are different. If we did what they did we would all be open. Since they totally fumbled the ball we had to go to mitigation. Without this the deaths would be in the milllions and the economy would have tanked anyway as more people would be sick and nobody would go out anyway

I agree with you that govt flubbed the start of this by downplaying it.

I agree that people should be trying to distance voluntarily (I personally called my pastor long before our govt ordered it and asked them to cancel services, they didn’t and had staff get sick).

my argument is about the jurisdiction/power of govt to stop people from going out if they aren’t known to be sick

 

[Old Timer]

Ill quote Dr, Leora Horowitz at NYU:

If there is a lot of disease in the community, there will be a lot of disease among high risk people. Period. The best way to protect those we love who may be at higher risk is to reduce the rate of disease in the community at large to as low a level as possible.

 

[JustFillIt]

Ill quote Dr, Leora Horowitz at NYU:

The hardest part to swallow about this is the fact that there are almost 8 billion people in this world to feed, comfort, and generally provide for.

Republican, Democrat, or anything in between - it does not matter... if we don’t keep the gears of this machine turning we will have a huge freaking problem on our hands the likes of which makes COVID seem like a bad disco dance.

These are scary and uncertain times. Anyone that acts like they have a “make everyone happy” solution is just downright wrong.

 

[Old Timer]

I agree with you that govt flubbed the start of this by downplaying it.

I agree that people should be trying to distance voluntarily (I personally called my pastor long before our govt ordered it and asked them to cancel services, they didn’t and had staff get sick).

my argument is about the jurisdiction/power of govt to stop people from going out if they aren’t known to be sick

So little Butte County California now has 180 people under quarantine because they think they know more than public health experts. Against state rules this numb-nut decided to have Mothers Day Services;

Jacobsen said that there had been fewer than 20 covid-19 cases and no deaths in the county when he decided to proceed with the service. The county had 22 cases and no deaths as of Saturday afternoon.
“I already had to cancel our Easter celebration, which is the first Easter from when I received Jesus into my life that I wasn’t able to be a church service, and that’s very difficult,” he said. “I see church as a very essential part of my life.”

The county health department's release is here. This is a small county with no real Covid-19 activity and now you have 180 people under quarantine.

http://www.buttecounty.net/Portals/21/Admin/Media/BCPHRespondstoCOVIDChurchExposure.pdf?ver=2020-05-15-102817-117t

Now you know why government has to use it's power to protect people who can't control themselves and now have endangered 180 plus people. Because of his essential needs others have to suffer. No matter what God you beleive in, I can't believe God wants you to endanger others.

 

[deleted480308]

So little Butte County California now has 180 people under quarantine because they think they know more than public health experts. Against state rules this numb-nut decided to have Mothers Day Services;

The county health department's release is here. This is a small county with no real Covid-19 activity and now you have 180 people under quarantine.

http://www.buttecounty.net/Portals/21/Admin/Media/BCPHRespondstoCOVIDChurchExposure.pdf?ver=2020-05-15-102817-117t

Now you know why government has to use it's power to protect people who can't control themselves and now have endangered 180 plus people. Because of his essential needs others have to suffer. No matter what God you beleive in, I can't believe God wants you to endanger others.

I’m not making the pitch that God is demanding in person large congregations right now, I’m making the pitch that the decision to go to one is between the person and the pastor, not govt. the same goes for a barber and their customer, a bartender and the drinker, etc etc etc

 

[Old Timer]

I’m not making the pitch that God is demanding in person large congregations right now, I’m making the pitch that the decision to go to one is between the person and the pastor, not govt. the same goes for a barber and their customer, a bartender and the drinker, etc etc etc

and the 180 people now in quarantine......

 

[deleted480308]

and the 180 people now in quarantine......

They all made a personal decision with risks, sometimes the risk gets you

 

[Old Timer]

They all made a personal decision with risks, sometimes the risk gets you

Now one of those 180 people who took that risk may come into my store and give it to me before they were quarantined. I didn't take that risk.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Now one of those 180 people who took that risk may come into my store and give it to me before they were quarantined. I didn't take that risk.

No one is making you work.

Why does your life matter more then their freedom?

Almost every American is now going back out into the public whether it's to the hardware store or grocery store. Every single parking lot is full this weekend at Kroger, Lowe's, Walmart etc.

I'm sorry you only care about your safety and not their freedom