Pharmacist Salary Thread

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i predict a glut of pharmacists by about 2014 when all these random private schools that opened programs will be graduating students. Salaries will remain flat, keeping pace with inflation, while high desirability areas (southern california, etc...) not hiring anyone at all. This latter one is already happening.

So yeah...I don't expect the gravy train to continue by the time I graduate. But this is good...in my opinion. All the crap pharmacists who know a lot but can't communicate properly will be out of a job. I've worked with entirely too many of these pharmacists at work who are still on the job because of the "lack of supply" thing.

I know some pharmacists who have a thick accent. But it doesn't mean that they can't perform their jobs. How many times have you heard of prescription mistakes made by those pharmacists? Adcoms are not stupid, you know. I don't know how good you are. But look at yourself, you must feel lucky to get accepted by a couple schools with your not-so-great stats. Why didn't you do well at school? Please tell us. Were one of your family members being sick? Or you didn't understand the materials taught in class? Or you were just lazy? Don't you think the adcoms were too stupid to have accepted you?

Grow up!!!

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I know some pharmacists who have a thick accent. But it doesn't mean that they can't perform their jobs. How many times have you heard of prescription mistakes made by those pharmacists? Adcoms are not stupid, you know. I don't know how good you are. But look at yourself, you must feel lucky to get accepted by a couple schools with your not-so-great stats. Why didn't you do well at school? Please tell us. Were one of your family members being sick? Or you didn't understand the materials taught in class? Or you were just lazy? Don't you think the adcoms were too stupid to have accepted you?

Grow up!!!

I think that you are reading too much into confettiflyer's post. I don't think that he was referring specifically to people with thick accents. One can speak perfect English but be unable to effectively communicate with other people.
 
i predict a glut of pharmacists by about 2014 when all these random private schools that opened programs will be graduating students. Salaries will remain flat, keeping pace with inflation, while high desirability areas (southern california, etc...) not hiring anyone at all. This latter one is already happening.

So yeah...I don't expect the gravy train to continue by the time I graduate. But this is good...in my opinion. All the crap pharmacists who know a lot but can't communicate properly will be out of a job. I've worked with entirely too many of these pharmacists at work who are still on the job because of the "lack of supply" thing.

it is not that easy to fire anyone.
i agree that i also worked with some ******* pharmacists who are clueless, don't care about patients, none of the techs like them. they should be out of the business. but it's not that easy.:idea:
 
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My prediction for the year 2010 is that we will make first contact with an alien species. These aliens will offer us new drugs, which amazingly cure everything, in exchange for co-habitation of Earth. Thus, pharmacists will experience a shortage of jobs because these incredible, alien drugs surpass our scientific knowledge.

In the year 2020, we will then make a shocking discovery that these aliens of which we have thought to be benevolent have actually been plotting against the human race this whole time. Those new cure-all drugs actually have been modifiying our DNA to transform us to livestock for these aliens. The alien plot for Earth domination is coming into fruition.

And thus, the world will turn to pharmacists to save them.


So, if you can survive until 2020 and the attempt to wipe out the human race, I think you will be well on your way to paying off your student loans.
 
I know some pharmacists who have a thick accent. But it doesn't mean that they can't perform their jobs. How many times have you heard of prescription mistakes made by those pharmacists? Adcoms are not stupid, you know. I don't know how good you are. But look at yourself, you must feel lucky to get accepted by a couple schools with your not-so-great stats. Why didn't you do well at school? Please tell us. Were one of your family members being sick? Or you didn't understand the materials taught in class? Or you were just lazy? Don't you think the adcoms were too stupid to have accepted you?

Grow up!!!
Are you serious? Go find something else to do.

We know very little about you, so you're not really putting yourself out there by posting like that. I have very little respect for people like you, plus harassing people anonymously shows poor character.

I have much more respect for Confettiflyer, because he is putting everything on the table by posting his stats in his signature.
 
I know some pharmacists who have a thick accent. But it doesn't mean that they can't perform their jobs. How many times have you heard of prescription mistakes made by those pharmacists? Adcoms are not stupid, you know. I don't know how good you are. But look at yourself, you must feel lucky to get accepted by a couple schools with your not-so-great stats. Why didn't you do well at school? Please tell us. Were one of your family members being sick? Or you didn't understand the materials taught in class? Or you were just lazy? Don't you think the adcoms were too stupid to have accepted you?

Grow up!!!

Confettiflyer didn't say anything against people with ACCENTS. they could be native English speakers but hate talking to anyone, are lazy at counselling patients, don't get along with others, have bad social/communication skills and therefore are bad at their job of being pharmacists. Also please try not to respond to someone's post with an attack on that person. Let's try to stick to the topic and keep this a friendly place :thumbup:
 
i predict a glut of pharmacists by about 2014 when all these random private schools that opened programs will be graduating students. Salaries will remain flat, keeping pace with inflation, while high desirability areas (southern california, etc...) not hiring anyone at all. This latter one is already happening.

So yeah...I don't expect the gravy train to continue by the time I graduate. But this is good...in my opinion. All the crap pharmacists who know a lot but can't communicate properly will be out of a job. I've worked with entirely too many of these pharmacists at work who are still on the job because of the "lack of supply" thing.
I thought there was some sort of thing where pharmacy schools adjusted their class size to keep the profession from overcrowding or not having enough.
 
My prediction for the year 2010 is that we will make first contact with an alien species. These aliens will offer us new drugs, which amazingly cure everything, in exchange for co-habitation of Earth. Thus, pharmacists will experience a shortage of jobs because these incredible, alien drugs surpass our scientific knowledge.

In the year 2020, we will then make a shocking discovery that these aliens of which we have thought to be benevolent have actually been plotting against the human race this whole time. Those new cure-all drugs actually have been modifiying our DNA to transform us to livestock for these aliens. The alien plot for Earth domination is coming into fruition.

And thus, the world will turn to pharmacists to save them.


So, if you can survive until 2020 and the attempt to wipe out the human race, I think you will be well on your way to paying off your student loans.
this is awesome. and they said my bomb shelter was a waste of time...ha!
 
My COP actually has a fallout shelter sign on it.
 
My COP actually has a fallout shelter sign on it.

During the Cold War, a lot of public buildings had fallout shelter designations. You don't see the signs so much anymore because they are either stolen or fall off after rusting.
 
I thought there was some sort of thing where pharmacy schools adjusted their class size to keep the profession from overcrowding or not having enough.

Yes the schools and state boards limit the amount of graduates into the field.

You get more applicants if pharmacist are in higher demand.
 
Everyone I know has a job when they graduate unless they don't want one and are going for a residency. There will not be a plateau to demand for our profession, and as more of us graduate with doctorates the profession is going to change toward collaborative drug therapy management, opening the floodgates of opportunity and positive drug outcomes.

Community practice salaries for new graduates in NY are ~$110K-125K depending on pharmacy and the contract you sign.
 
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With the upcoming election, there is one issue that affects all of us working in the medical profession, Universal Healthcare. I have researched universal healthcare programs in other countries and it hurts the pharmaceutical complexes in those countries a lot. I was wondering what other Pharmacists, Pharmacy students, etc., thought about universal healthcare. Do you think that it would lower the salaries of pharmacists? Increase the demand for pharmacists due to increased demand for pharmaceuticals? What could we expect to happen to the profession if a universal healthcare system were implemented here in the US?
 
just don't vote for Hillary Clinton

i like that Michael Moore movie "Freako"
 
Well both Obama & Clinton are looking to mandate some form of universal/socialized health care. How much would such a program affect the profession of pharmacy?
 
If universal healthcare is a reality, then I would predict we will see more public heath services but private would still exisit. Right now, the public sector is relatively up to par with the private sector in terms of pharmacists' salary mainly because the demand is high. So, whether pharmacists' salary will increase or decrease, depends more on the demands for pharmacists.

I am predicting that the demand will be greater, not only because more people will be on medications, but also because preventive care may play a bigger role in the future and that would also create more opportunities for pharmacists.
 
In an Universal Health Care system, it's the MDs which tend to loose the most income. If done properly, it would actually increase demand for pharmacists, NPs, and PAs. There would probably be more of a push for BTC class.
 
One could expect:
- Lowered salaries
- Less competent practitioners. This is due to government mandates to put out practitioners, just think of the corruption that happens when people who know people get into politics. Competition among applicants decreases in this situation leading to less qualified students and graduates.
- Near halt in innovative methods of treatment etc. due to lack of funding for research and decreased incentive
- Decreased incentive is a beast on its own - it causes a lot of problems
- Horribly decreased reimbursement for all those involved in health care
- Moral Hazard - huge problem with increased demand for services that may not be necessary
- Switch from provider-governed procedures to government/insurance governed services; provider no longer decides what's best for you, the person holding the purse strings does
- What about the chronically ill? They cost a lot... This is mostly speculative, but you can find some articles where certain places have had to cut spending on these patients in order to care of more acute cases.

These are just a few things that I have come across. If you do a good search you can find good reasons why we should not utilize "universal" health care.
For example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/27/nhs127.xml
But beside these articles, and you'll find many supporting universal health care, one has to really think about the consequences of each type of system and those of us that are part of the health care system need to pay special attention to these issues.

Okay, off my soapbox. :)

I have much much more to say about this so beware!
 
universal health care will never come to fruition anytime soon. the private companies that run health insurances are too rich and have too much pull with politicians to allow it to occur. if a mandate was installed for universal health care, it would completely destroy that industry economically, and with how the economy is heading, i just don't see how we can ever see it.

i don't think our salaries or demand would suffer, but wait till you see 40+% taken out in taxes to pay for a universal health care program.

i don't mean to sound jaded or a paranoid conspiracy theorist with the whole companies' influences on politicians point, but it doesn't make sense economically.
 
As to the original question, how it would affect pharmacist salaries would depend on how such a system was set up.

If it was like Canada's system, I'd imagine pharmacists would continue to be paid quite well as the only thing that would change is the mechanism by which drugs and medical services are paid out to the third parties. Pharmacies in Canada are not state owned. If anything, demand would increase as more people would have access. I'd think it'd still be ok as demand for labor from the corporations would still keep the salaries high...if not higher. Frankly, with all of these ghetto assed pharmacy schools opening up in every freakin' town in America, higher demand is something we should try to strive for before we are bitten in the behind by the ambitions of greedy academic institutes.

If it was a system where pharmacists become employees of the state, salaries may or may not decrease. They couldn't get away with decreasing the salaries of what the thousands of govt pharmacists make right now...which is competitive with private employers. So I'd imagine they'd stay about the same... at least at first. The question would be whether or not it would be adjusted well in the future for inflation and such. They probably wouldn't because there would be no reason to, I'd think.

Now which system is most likely to be set up in the US? One in which everyone has financial gov't assistance and then choses an appropriate health plan for their needs. (Think Plan D.)

Whether or not it's a good idea from a public health standpoint is painfully debatable. (As in, it's painful that I have to listen to a bunch of idiots in legislature and politics irrationally and sensationally present biased and laughable versions of each side of the argument as common sense and logic stand outside the window banging on the glass pane trying to be noticed....)

But if it happened, there is no real reason to think pharmacists' salaries would decrease. In my opinion.
 
And I'm sure it would be incredibly unbiased and tell every angle of the debate, too.

What bias? There is an objective answer to this situation as well as all other situations, but let's not get into that shall we? And what angles? One way is correct and the other way is horribly wrong, there is no in between.
 
What bias? There is an objective answer to this situation as well as all other situations, but let's not get into that shall we? And what angles? One way is correct and the other way is horribly wrong, there is no in between.

See. This is exactly why I hate politics. People actually refuse to admit that shades of gray exist in the world. Everything is rendered into this kind of black versus white, good vs. evil, liberal versus conservative bull****.

No, neither is "right". Neither is "wrong", either. Economics is an incredibly complex issue. It is not a science at all. Mix economics with the societal question of public health and you have a conundrum that cannot be easily answered by anyone. Both sides of the debate have very valid points. Unfortunately, everyone is so obsessed with the obtuse posturing being manifested by the aforementioned "us versus them" bull**** that no sort of compromise or beneficial discussion will ever take place. I don't even want to get into it. I hate politics with such a passion I'm scowling at my computer screen this very instant.

I'm moving to Antarctica. There are no political parties there.
 
In Canada we have a single-payer health care system, but unlike the UK, we don't have pharmacare. In Canada, drugs are only paid for if you are in the hospital. So if you get a system like ours, I don't think it would make much of a difference in pharmacist salaries because the way pharmacists get paid would remain the same: chains of privately-owned pharmacies selling prescriptions to people with a patchwork of different insurance plans.

In any discussion involving single-payer versus the American system, you have to keep in mind that single-payer systems are vastly cheaper. We're talking one-third to one-half the cost of your system, and everybody in the whole friggin' country is insured (except new immigrants for the first three months). So if a single-payer system gets off the ground in your country, billions of dollars in profits will be gone. And it's not the front line health care workers like us that'll lose out, but the big private health care companies. So...with that much money at stake, you'll hear all sorts of misconceptions about our system. Like how we don't get to choose our own doctors (totally, totally not true), and cripplingly long waiting lists (sometimes true for some things, like orthopedic surgery, but you folks have waiting lists for some procedures, too).

Imagine going to the hospital for an accident, or major surgery, and you present them with your health card. And that's it. No unexpected expenses. No payment necessary.

I went in for major abdominal surgery in a Toronto hospital a few years ago and I accidentally brought an expired health card. The surgery went ahead as planned, and after I was discharged, I phoned my surgeon's secretary with the new number.

Oh yeah; when I thought I had a recurrence of the tumour, and I phoned my surgeon to discover he'd retired, I got in to see another specialist. I waited four whole days.

I rushed my daughter to the ER with a nasty laceration from an accident at school. I didn't bring her health card. Again, they treated her free of charge, and I phoned the number in later.

It's a brilliant system. But the big health care companies feed you lies about it because they stand to lose $$$$$$$$$.
 
See. This is exactly why I hate politics. People actually refuse to admit that shades of gray exist in the world. Everything is rendered into this kind of black versus white, good vs. evil, liberal versus conservative bull****.

No, neither is "right". Neither is "wrong", either. Economics is an incredibly complex issue. It is not a science at all. Mix economics with the societal question of public health and you have a conundrum that cannot be easily answered by anyone. Both sides of the debate have very valid points. Unfortunately, everyone is so obsessed with the obtuse posturing being manifested by the aforementioned "us versus them" bull**** that no sort of compromise or beneficial discussion will ever take place. I don't even want to get into it. I hate politics with such a passion I'm scowling at my computer screen this very instant.

I'm moving to Antarctica. There are no political parties there.

OK, rather than dragging out these comments about how we feel about each other's statements, what do you suggest are good things about each side of the argument? You know, if you can boil all the different angles down to two.
 
hmm where's Old Timer and his "universal healthcare already exists" posts...

..yeah, make at least a high deductible indemnity plan mandatory, we end up paying for those uninsured persons anyway. And whoever pointed out that MD/DO's lose out the most, you are correct.

It's tricky, I don't want to subsidize John Q. Public's health insurance...but we end up paying anyway.

But a government solution is bad...I don't want the government bloated trying to solve this problem, let the market figure it out somehow.
 
OK, rather than dragging out these comments about how we feel about each other's statements, what do you suggest are good things about each side of the argument? You know, if you can boil all the different angles down to two.

I'm too lazy and the issue is too complex. I'm the guy that complains about everything and calls people out on their bull**** when it makes no sense to me. I'd be a good judge.

Nah, I'll leave all that stuff to the people who think they can summarize it all within a few paragraphs. It entertains me in an Andy Kauffman sort of way.
 
It's a brilliant system. But the big health care companies feed you lies about it because they stand to lose $$$$$$$$$.

While I would agree that cutting the corporate fat from the equation is a great idea, I have to wonder if the US is ready for the sudden barrage of healthcare demand that would appear if the 40 or 50 million Americans that do not have health coverage all of a sudden went for checkups and preventative care. Do you think the system could handle such an influx in business? I don't. I wonder what could be done to lessen such a blow.
 
I'd think it'd still be ok as demand for labor from the corporations would still keep the salaries high...if not higher. Frankly, with all of these ghetto assed pharmacy schools opening up in every freakin' town in America, higher demand is something we should try to strive for before we are bitten in the behind by the ambitions of greedy academic institutes.

There's going to be a lot more supply of new graduates in the next 4 years if all new schools that open up this year receive pre-candidate status and finally get accredited or the class size at many existing schools increases. I am accepted to a 3 year-accelerated program and a 4 year school. In your opinion, should i hurry up and go to 3-year school so I will have better chance to get desirable jobs/residencies before the demand decreases etc... However, if I got accepted to an in-state school (interview pending), I probably would go for four years.
 
But a government solution is bad...I don't want the government bloated trying to solve this problem, let the market figure it out somehow.

I dunno. When I stop and look at it all, I kinda think the market has failed miserably at delivering healthcare to the public. While costs are always important, isn't it kinda ****ed up how healthcare is based purely on the motive of profit in the US? I think it is, anyway.

More importantly, the subject is about pharmacists salaries....watcha think about that?
 
There's going to be a lot more supply of new graduates in the next 4 years if all new schools that open up this year receive pre-candidate status and finally get accredited or the class size at many existing schools increases. I am accepted to a 3 year-accelerated program and a 4 year school. In your opinion, should i hurry up and go to 3-year school so I will have better chance to get desirable jobs/residencies before the demand decreases etc... However, if I got accepted to an in-state school (interview pending), I probably would go for four years.

Next four years? Eh, all those schools will only account for a few thousand pharmacists. Demand will remain high for some time. I'm more worried about what'll happen when the baby boomers die off and 25 years worth of extra pharmacists rears its ugly head....
 
I'm more worried about what'll happen when the baby boomers die off and 25 years worth of extra pharmacists rears its ugly head....
haha.. I don't know.... Maybe they can live longer if the medical field is more advanced in the next decades. Their average life span may increase up to 90ish. Maybe pharmacists roles may evolve and expand so we can be more marketable...
 
One could expect:
- Lowered salaries
- Less competent practitioners. This is due to government mandates to put out practitioners, just think of the corruption that happens when people who know people get into politics. Competition among applicants decreases in this situation leading to less qualified students and graduates.
- Near halt in innovative methods of treatment etc. due to lack of funding for research and decreased incentive
- Decreased incentive is a beast on its own - it causes a lot of problems
- Horribly decreased reimbursement for all those involved in health care
- Moral Hazard - huge problem with increased demand for services that may not be necessary
- Switch from provider-governed procedures to government/insurance governed services; provider no longer decides what's best for you, the person holding the purse strings does
- What about the chronically ill? They cost a lot... This is mostly speculative, but you can find some articles where certain places have had to cut spending on these patients in order to care of more acute cases.

These are just a few things that I have come across. If you do a good search you can find good reasons why we should not utilize "universal" health care.
For example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/27/nhs127.xml
But beside these articles, and you'll find many supporting universal health care, one has to really think about the consequences of each type of system and those of us that are part of the health care system need to pay special attention to these issues.

Okay, off my soapbox. :)

I have much much more to say about this so beware!


Hey, first time poster and I'm gonna have to pop my cherry with disagreeing...huzzah!

ok ok so point by point

1) I wouldn't say that every system with universal health care has salaried health care workers. For example, Canada has a fee for service with medical practitioners so therefore they are not really under a salary. So basically, to say health care workers would have "lower salaries" would be wrong because it's really up to the doctor on how many patients they want to see. In fact, in certain types of H.M.O (something very anti-american because lack of real choice) have salaried doctors and are handicapped in the type of procedures they are allowed to do. While in other universal health care systems like Canada, Doctors are not salaried and can have more freedom.

2) Right now there is a shortage in Canada for doctors, pharmacists ect. and yet competition is still VERY high to get into a professional medical program. Although there is a lot of pressure to pump out more medical professionals, to say this would cause "less competent practitioners" is baseless as the competition to get into these schools is on par with American Universities. I'm applying to pharmacy schools in Canada and the gpa average is around 3.6-3.7 for most schools. Medical school is around 3.8 and same with dentists. So basically, same level of competition with USA.

3) There is such a thing as TOO MUCH innovation. So many times there is a new invention/drug that comes out that is NOT clinically superior to its predecessor but costs a bajillion times more. With so much pressure to be "innovative" we see increase of technology but is so expensive and increasing the overall costs to the patients and straining health care costs and the worst part is that there might not even be clinical improvements

4) There's a lot of researchers in systems of universal health care that disagree. Many people try to "best their own" for the sake in improving the overall health.

5) Reimbursement is NOT a problem. Doctors, pharmacists and nurses do not live in poverty in a universal hc system. Doctors especially, they are still in the top income bracket and this myth that reimbursement is a problem is ludicrous.

6) Moral Hazard is a MYTH! Sure, if an office has free pepsi employees are more likely to drink it as opposed to when it's free....but health care is NOT the same thing as free pepsi! Going to the Dr's is a hassle. No one likes it. Just because it's free doesn't mean people line up to use it excessively.

And to condemn people that are cautious is just plain wrong.

There is so much pressure for people to take their own health into their own hands. For example, people are encouraged to be proactive and are encouraged to use their doctors. If someone gets cancer, "it's your fault! you should have had mammograms!" "you have skin cancer?? WHY DIDN'T YOU GET THAT SPOT ON YOUR ARM CHECKED OUT!" ect. So how can the general public know if something is a legitimate health problem or just something normal? The advantage of universal health care, that's free at the point of service, is that they can be precautious and be proactive and NOT worry about money.

If anything, using health care to be proactive will save TONS in the long run. Problems will be detected early and will not develop complications and therefore will not require expensive surgery or other expensive procedures. But if you have to PAY for your hc, people may delay getting things "checked out" or may let conditions become serious before seeing a dr. At this point, some expensive procedure will have to be done and this could have been prevented.


therefore, in short, moral hazard is a myth!

7) It's funny you mention that the purse string holders have all the power this because I was under the impression that HMO's and insurance companies in the United States hold a LOT (and i mean a LOT) of power in what a doctor does. When their main goal is profit, they may make a LOT of medically questionable descions.

In Canada, doctors and pharmacists are PRIVATE. They have autonomy over what they can do and how they want to do it. Since they are PRIVATE enterpeneurs, they can make many independent medical descisons. All the government does is pay them for their fee for service service (doctors) and basically lay out what is covered under the plan.

8) The chronically ill are thankful they live in a universal health care system because thier family is not bankrupt. I would not like to be in a system with the 47 million (or higher?) uninsured or where many middle class families become bankrupt because a loved one got chronically ill.

In canada (i'm sorry I use this as my main example but I have limited knowledge of the N.H.S or other systems) money is one less stress when one gets ill



sorry for the long first post...I should probably get back to studying....

and ps, bring it on!
 
While I would agree that cutting the corporate fat from the equation is a great idea, I have to wonder if the US is ready for the sudden barrage of healthcare demand that would appear if the 40 or 50 million Americans that do not have health coverage all of a sudden went for checkups and preventative care. Do you think the system could handle such an influx in business? I don't. I wonder what could be done to lessen such a blow.
That's a reasonable question. I'm not sure that'd happen. Even when health care is free, people don't necessarily go to the dr. They have other things to do.

There are people who run to the dr for every tiny little thing. But there aren't as many of those as we feared.

Think of it this way: if your worst-case scenario comes to pass, and folks stampede to their dr in droves, that could only help pharmacists' salaries, which would rise in response to the demand.
 
My DO is actually salaried.
Anyway, there is a law trying to get through Congress which would regulate Pharm Techs. I don't know how constitutional it would be. It would require them to have formal education, I think an associates, and regulate ratios of 1 pharmacist to 2 techs.
 
My DO is actually salaried.
Anyway, there is a law trying to get through Congress which would regulate Pharm Techs. I don't know how constitutional it would be. It would require them to have formal education, I think an associates, and regulate ratios of 1 pharmacist to 2 techs.

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe it's like that currently in California. i remember the techs i worked with there had to have a formal state certification and the ratio of 2 techs:1 pharmacist was in effect.
 
someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe it's like that currently in California. i remember the techs i worked with there had to have a formal state certification and the ratio of 2 techs:1 pharmacist was in effect.

2:1 is in effect, but there's no "formal" education requirement. PTCE does not count as a formal education. You can be licensed by participating in a formal education program (AA/AS) that provides x internship hours (240-something I think), but it's not the only way.
 
my pharmacist said she is going to vote for hillary because she is proposing a universal healthcare system.
i dont know what she is going to say if the system will cost people to pay less, and it will ultimately lower her salary. i am interested to see what she would say. lol. :laugh:
 
my pharmacist said she is going to vote for hillary because she is proposing a universal healthcare system.
i dont know what she is going to say if the system will cost people to pay less, and it will ultimately lower her salary. i am interested to see what she would say. lol. :laugh:

I wouldn't believe all the campaign promises candidates make...on either side. Hillary promised she'd reform health care while she was first lady, and she gave up. She had her chance...why would it be any different this time?
 
Well that definitely didn't clear things up. I am hearing that it will increase our demand & salaries on one side and I'm hearing the exact opposite on the other side. I think we should all seriously look into each of the Dems Health care plans because our futures are at stake. The demand for pharmacists is so high as it is, if they were to cut salaries because of a mandated health care plan, then they would never meet needs of the patients because that 6 figure salary incentive would be removed. It is the top issue of discussion for the upcoming election. We would not want to make the wrong choice and hurt the future of the profession.
 
Not every state has a tech ratio, like here in Illinois. The tech regulations vary so much by state.
 
Illinois doesn't even consider their pharmacists as professionals... & I heard the governer is considering allowing Canadian pharmacists to have Illinois pharmacist license (or some sort).
 
Today I talked to a friend of mine who is about to graduate in a few weeks and he told me that CVS is offering 52$/h for new grads here in Michigan. But I was surprised about hospital salary. My area hospitals are offering only 42$/h:eek: I knew it was lower, but by that much???? I was sure I would go hospital when I graduate, but now, I guess, I have to reconsider other options.
 
Well that definitely didn't clear things up. I am hearing that it will increase our demand & salaries on one side and I'm hearing the exact opposite on the other side. I think we should all seriously look into each of the Dems Health care plans because our futures are at stake. The demand for pharmacists is so high as it is, if they were to cut salaries because of a mandated health care plan, then they would never meet needs of the patients because that 6 figure salary incentive would be removed. It is the top issue of discussion for the upcoming election. We would not want to make the wrong choice and hurt the future of the profession.
There are two Canadian pharmacists, me being one of them, who said we don't see how universal health care would make any difference in your salaries.
 
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