Philadelphia programs ?

[po' boy]

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Can anyone give me some information about the various programs in Philadelphia? I'm sure they're all good, and as such I'm having a difficult time telling them apart. I've done searches on this and still haven't found comprehensive posts, so no flames please...

Where would you go if you were interested in Philly, and why?

 

[docB]

Temple is a great program. Lots of good people. Hard core, inner city experience with lots of penetrating trauma. Nationally known chair. They have been around since ~97 and a coming into their own now.

Einstein (in Philly) is another good program. It's 4 year but that allows you to run traumas (trade off with surg). It was originally a DO program but now it's both. For DOs it has the advantage of having a broad intern year that covers the licensing req in the 5 states. Many fantastic people there. I think McGee is the PD now and he's great. It's also a hard core inner city gun and knife club center.

Don't forget Cooper which is a major trauma center just across the Delaware in Camden, NJ.

 

[jazz]

Can anyone give me some information about the various programs in Philadelphia? I'm sure they're all good, and as such I'm having a difficult time telling them apart. I've done searches on this and still haven't found comprehensive posts, so no flames please...

Where would you go if you were interested in Philly, and why?

briefly for the philly ones (what i know)

drexel (mcp/hahnemann) -- now based at Hahnemann (level one trauma center), center city philly. brand new ED (30 or so beds). great critical care experience (EM run ICU no other rotators). no off service rotations (no general medicine, no trauma); strong ultrasound experience; strong "community" rotations (more bread and butter but also very high acuity) -- still in the city but not university based so less struggles with surgery for procedures, anesthesia for tubes, etc...

temple -- building new ED, lots of trauma, volume, pathology; limited community experience. most "county" like in the philly area. like docB said.

einstein -- 4 years, mixed DO/MD. fulfills DO pgy-1 rotating year requirement like docB said. brand new ED recently (50 + beds) high volume, acuity. inner city.

jefferson -- ED in center city; critical care experience at jefferson and community hospital -- acuity much less at community ICU; trauma at jeff and lourdes in jersey (i think); limited "bad" trauma in center city phily; strong surg deparment --> more fights for procedures; recently became a department (3 years ago or so) but has been around much longer as a residency; supposedly has nicer schedule for residents

upenn -- 4 years, very strong med/surg --> limited procedures in ED?; many off service rotations -- including trauma, medicine, icu. newer program -- getting stronger; high academics -- great teaching from faculty;

cooper -- in camden, across the river; limited knowledge but from what i know -- great pathology, lots of trauma; strong ultrasound

finally
christiana -- about 40 minutes away in delaware -- happy residents, good volume, some say it's more community-like in feel but christiana itself supports a large hospital with their own IM/surg/OB-gyn residents (and more); i think their residents are well treated.

Really this area is saturated with ED's and residency programs. There are 5 level one Trauma Centers in Philadelphia. A lot of people train in the Philly area but leave once training is done, secondary to malpractice issues, city living issues, etc. Philly is not the nicest urban areas though it's a great city to live in as a resident -- lots of bars/restaurants, relatively low cost of living (vs. boston, nyc, san fran) but not a place to raise a family -- burbs are much better for that.

good luck. hope this was helpful. btw, this is one person's opinion -- if you don't agree, that's fine but don't get nasty....

 

[Purulent DC]

The only 3 that I would consider unless you really want/have to live Philly:

1) UMDNJ-Camden (aka Copper Hospital): small prog., best teaching.
2) Temple: Hardcore inner-city w/ famous Dr. MacNamara & good attendings.
3) Drexel: Oldest and very respected, solid multi-center experience w/ famous Drs. James Roberts & David Wagner.

I felt these three alone were Philly's top tier & I didn't care to interview at any of the others.

 

[Scrubbs]

I went to Temple Med and am training at Drexel, so I'm probably pretty biased. However, I did the full tour of Philly programs when I intererviewed and would be happy to answer any specific questions about programs. Jazz's descriptions are pretty good, btw. Hope to see some of you on interviews!

 

[waterski232002]

upenn -- 4 years, very strong med/surg --> limited procedures in ED?; many off service rotations -- including trauma, medicine, icu. newer program -- getting stronger; high academics -- great teaching from faculty;

So is the concensus that UPenn is not a desirable place to be in philly??? I am interviewing there in a few weeks and would appreciate any more feedback on the program. Do they run traumas? Get as many procedures in the ED as temple or drexel?

 

[Scrubbs]

I didn't apply to Penn, but I've heard that they don't get as much control in the ED as some other Philly programs. However, it is hearsay. They have VERY strong med and surg programs which can take away from EM. Not sure they can justify being 4 years. All that being equal, they are very academic and supposedly have excellent teaching.