Physicians strike

[chocomorsel]

Please get new friends. Please! You once admitted in a PM that your eyes had been opened by your new American friends, that you did not use to think like this when you immigrated. That's also my feeling about non-US black people: they just feel more normal, more middle class, more educated, both in the US and when I see them on TV.

You are too smart to play revolutionary Marxist and allow yourself to be so full of hate. I know how it feels. I've been raised like that by the communists. Trust me, it's all a big lie. There is a reason there is basically not one Marxist country where immigration exceeds emigration. Even in the US, though WASP republicans hate immigrants like me, I would rather live in a red state and city.

I'm telling you like a friend: get a real life. Love, be loved, have kids, enjoy your friends. Ubi bene ibi patria. Leave the Marxist crap to envious people who don't know better, or to wise guys who make a living out of it. YOLO. You could do so much better if you dropped the attitude and the victim card. Decades from now, you'll look back and you'll be like: I was so childish...

Trust me: it's not the skin color, it's not the sex, it's the behavior and attitude that matter in life. I have a big mouth, I know I shouldn't give advice. Remember what you said about me just yesterday. And I'm actually trying. But you don't care, and it's already hurting your career, whether you admit it to yourself or not.

Please mind your business. And don’t tell me to stop playing victim. I was naive when I immigrated to the US as are lots of African immigrants. Until one day some of us wake up and see the injustice that’s been there all along but because it didn’t happen to us directly we never saw it before. Well I realized how black and naive I was in residency. And my eyes have gotten more and more opened since.

I love how you say "no one is denying that you have it harder" and "stop playing victim" all in the same breath. Quite contradictory don't you think? Make it make sense. I love it when black peoples/POC speak of injustice and they are accused of playing victim. I live in the real world of the US and somehow speaking on it pisses so many of you off and you run back to “stop playing victim” bull****. I don’t live my life like a victim, I tend to experience more sexism than racism at work IMO but there are lots serious victims out there that I am not going to turn a blind eye to.

This isn’t about Marxism or whatever you want to call it. It’s about the bias/racism/and sexism that exists. I don’t live under a rock, I don’t live in Utopia either. I go to work, do my thing, treat patients and staff well come home and sometimes bitch on the internet about injustices that I see or am part of. And who said my career is being hurt? What do you know about my career and how it’s affected?

And BTW, one of my closest friends is White. HAHA. How cliche. But you better believe she's a woman who's well versed in the good old boy's club. Oh and my white man hating persona has dated a few white men too. OMG are you clutching your pearls yet. And I even have formed close friendships with Old White Men who used to be my partners. Please don't try to enlighten me with "Every White person is different" I already know that. But many choose to continue to live in their bubble and are afraid to confront the injustices, continue to downplay their White Privilege and instead accuse POC and women as "playing victim" just like you did. Y'all always want to paint that I hate all White people in general on here because I am so vocal about racism and sexism. Nope, I pick and choose who to hate based on their empathy and genuineness if that is a word.

And there you go with your narcissistic attitude again. No I doubt I am ever gonna say I was so childish. I am not childish. I am angry. Two totally different things.

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[chocomorsel]

Nobody denies that it's harder for you. I also have an easier day when I'm with people from my part of the world. But just because somebody's a white male life is not a walk in the park. Judge, and you shall be judged. Stop playing victim. Go along to get along.

The Democratic party will lose these elections because, like you, they didn't know where to stop. There was so much good karma for blacks in 2020, and "your people" squandered that and made it all about power and revenge. And when there's going to be a backlash, it will just feed your paranoias even more, instead of realizing that you did it to yourselves.

Most people don't realize that Hitler and the Nazis came to power because people wanted change but were very afraid of the Marxist socialists. The Nazis were only like 13-15% of the Germans, but within a few years they grew like a cancer and changed the constitution. Had it not been for socialist stupidity and hate, they would have never been elected. I see the same thing in this country. The Democrats are so f-ing stupid and hateful, when it's clear that the last presidential elections were won by the candidate who seemed more common sense and "normal".

Same thing for employers: they just want to hire a minority who is a normal person, not a revolutionary. What do you think people get when they ask for references about you? Don't fool yourself, there is no way some of your attitude does not come across, the same way you perceive me as a narcissist. The fact that they withdrew your application for privileges should be a huge wake up call for you. And the fact that people are passive-aggressive and don't criticize you to your face should not give you a false feeling of being appreciated. Americans are not what you see is what you get. Look at your life, look at what you achieved, look at what you could have, and figure out the mistakes. Don't try changing the system, because years will pass and you'll still be left behind; learn to be successful within it. That's what smart people do.

Oh Great, you are gonna bring politics into it? Let's leave that part alone.

Oh, the fact that a university withdrew my application for privileges should be a huge wake up call? Are you ****ing kidding me? For locums? You are hilarious. It was for the OR, because I haven't done it in a while. But I am sure you and others would love to think it was due to my abrasive online personality. If I can't get a job I will be sure to call on you for help. And no, it is not a huge wake up call for me. But hey, if someone on here sabotaged my application to the university because they know me on here, then I am gonna say, **** em. Let them. There are lots of fish in the sea.

Yeah, I know many Americans are fake as hell and smile in your face and stab you in the back. It's cultural for them and I learned that the hard way. And I also learned from these same people how to fake it and smile and wave and ask about the kids and dogs or your idea of go along to get along. It's all a pony show. Trust and believe, that I now know how to play their stupid games. And when I am around a bunch of whole group of marginalized minorities they aren't all necessarily interested in trying to undermine me and prove that I don't belong. Because if that were the case I would have been in trouble at work. But I walked away on my own terms. Soo.... Your entitled, undermining, un-empathetic dinguses tend to be the people who've been entitled, and undermining since inception of this country. Those who could get away with that behavior since day one. Those who've been through marginalization and mistreatment tend to have more empathy and understanding. The nurses who have a problem with me, the ones who run to admin because I ask them to assist me in a direct manner, the ones who give me attitude when I ask them to carry out orders, do not look like me. They aren't POC.

So tell me, why these surgeons/doctors, with the horrible behaviors towards staff, most of them Caucasian get away with such bad behavior. How did these same surgeons pass the "professionalism" sniff test in residency and fellowship behaving the way they do? Are these dinguses told to go along to get along?

Let's leave the politics out of it. That's a whole other can of worms.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

That’s hilarious. There are plenty of White people on here I get along with just fine. Who I am not constantly arguing with. It’s literally you and @FFP and @VAhopeful sometimes used to be @saltydog but he’s gone now. And there are plenty I disagree with here and there that I still get along with and move on. I doubt they are all black. It’s not because you are a White man. It’s because I think you are an ignorant, entitled POS when it comes to race relations who happens to be White man. Who is not open to realizing that your world ain’t our world. And because I talk about it so much, you think I am racist. Because White people like y’all don’t like to be challenged and like the status quo.

“Professionalism” in America is based on EuroCentric standards that take no account different cultural backgrounds and experiences. As long as we come to work and brownnose, and smile, and joke with people many of us have nothing in common with on top of all the work we gotta do. I don’t suppose you have any idea what it’s like being colleagues with no one who looks like you that you have zero shared experience with? And then you are supposed to be all chummy chummy and friendly and joke and ask about the golf game. Tell you what. It’s uncomfortable. We are in survival mode and all the extras go out the window. You just want to do your job and get the hell out to your comfort zone. There are a few minorities who excel in this but many of us struggle and are looked upon in a negative way. Yeah, it’s gotta be because we are racist, not because we are uncomfortable, not because we have experienced unfair treatment compared to the White folks. It’s because we are racist. And speaking about it makes us even more racist.

And you respect me less and less. I am so sad and hurt. I will never wake up without crying. Woe is me. My life is over. I never asked for your respect and it matters to me because why? I don’t have to prove anything to closed minded White people like you.

You think I am a bitch and I think you are a closed minded, entitled POS.

So I guess we are even.

Here's how I see it:

As a white guy who hasn't set foot in the hospital professionally since residency, I have no frame of reference whatsoever to agree with or dispute anything you say so the vast majority of the time I'm inclined to believe you (hospital politics suck under the best of circumstances and being both Black and a woman I'm sure makes that worse). Every so often there may be a point that I'm not sure about, but its usually one point out of several so I don't worry about it or just ask a purely clarifying question (or at least that's how I mean them, hopefully that's how it comes across).

That being said, you do come across as exceptionally hostile. Some of it you say is just blowing off steam, that's fair enough. I think we've all been there at one point or another. But speaking for myself, I think the general insults aren't needed (and this goes for everyone involved in these types of discussions). And as the aforementioned white guy, I don't love being grouped in with the evil white conspiracy (hyperbole but not as much as I wish it was) you bring up somewhat frequently. Is there some degree of that in many hospitals? Very likely. Does that mean we're all involved in it? I wish, it sounds like it would pay pretty well but that's not the case. So it would be nice if you toned that down slightly. I don't mean to say you need to stop bring up the points you do, but there's no need for this to make everything about the "White is right" type stuff. People in physician leadership can suck regardless of race. I personally have been thoroughly screwed over twice by hospital admin. One was a 40-something white male FP who was literally everything wrong with physician leadership (I turned in my 90 day notice and then 2 weeks later they offered to keep paying me for another 10 weeks but wanted me not to come to work anymore) the other was a 50-something Black female pediatric intensivist and why she was in charge of outpatient primary care I will never understand. I started my own solo private practice rather than deal with her. FYI: starting a practice out of spite isn't the best idea in the world.

 

[chocomorsel]

Here's how I see it:

As a white guy who hasn't set foot in the hospital professionally since residency, I have no frame of reference whatsoever to agree with or dispute anything you say so the vast majority of the time I'm inclined to believe you (hospital politics suck under the best of circumstances and being both Black and a woman I'm sure makes that worse). Every so often there may be a point that I'm not sure about, but its usually one point out of several so I don't worry about it or just ask a purely clarifying question (or at least that's how I mean them, hopefully that's how it comes across).

That being said, you do come across as exceptionally hostile. Some of it you say is just blowing off steam, that's fair enough. I think we've all been there at one point or another. But speaking for myself, I think the general insults aren't needed (and this goes for everyone involved in these types of discussions). And as the aforementioned white guy, I don't love being grouped in with the evil white conspiracy (hyperbole but not as much as I wish it was) you bring up somewhat frequently. Is there some degree of that in many hospitals? Very likely. Does that mean we're all involved in it? I wish, it sounds like it would pay pretty well but that's not the case. So it would be nice if you toned that down slightly. I don't mean to say you need to stop bring up the points you do, but there's no need for this to make everything about the "White is right" type stuff. People in physician leadership can suck regardless of race. I personally have been thoroughly screwed over twice by hospital admin. One was a 40-something white male FP who was literally everything wrong with physician leadership (I turned in my 90 day notice and then 2 weeks later they offered to keep paying me for another 10 weeks but wanted me not to come to work anymore) the other was a 50-something Black female pediatric intensivist and why she was in charge of outpatient primary care I will never understand. I started my own solo private practice rather than deal with her. FYI: starting a practice out of spite isn't the best idea in the world.

Like I said, with you it’s frequent but only sometimes. Not like the other two.

As far as me coming off hostile, that’s fine. I know. Doesn’t bother me. When I make comments like White is right to the other dude, it’s because I am exceptionally pissed off at that moment at some guy who’s never walked, will never walk in my shoes goes on to tell me that not everything is about race and I am having issues at work because I am such a bitch. As if he has any clue what I am like in real life. Like I post every single interaction in my life on here like a 24 hour movie. Like most people post the good stuff online in reviews and not mostly the bad stuff. People really come on here and try to extrapolate who I am off an online, often angry persona. Yes, I am every bit the angry black woman on here.

But unless you have a clue who I am personally, then you need to keep your fingers from typing dumb ****. And really, just because lots of my posts are about these topics I am passionate about doesn’t mean that is all I ever talk about. A simple click on my name will show you otherwise. But I am one of the most if not the most vocal one on here about this **** because I seriously hate injustice.

No one, except one person on here has had meaningful interaction with me IRL to tell me what a thorough bitch I am. I come on here to blow off tons steam and because of the injustice I have experienced and see in the world I get deep in these conversations even when I some of y’all think should probably back away.

I really have nothing to prove but as much as I disrespect people on here who try and tear me down, I am not this steam roller at work. I take things in stride and do my job and mind my business. I give the energy I receive and most times it’s good enough energy.

I really try to not attack anyones personal life on here. I may say things like “you sound like a jerk, dingus, blah blah blah” but I am not narcissistic enough to then attach it to “that’s why you are having problems at work, problems with your friends, etc.” You know why? Because I haven’t ****ing clue. Like some of your colleagues who seem to know me and all my real life issues apparently based on what they see here.

People really are entitled and feel the need to talk about peoples real lives without a ****ing clue. And some of y’all have no insight into this ****. It’s mind blowing really. I suppose it’s got something to do with constantly being given the benefit of the doubt. But who the hell knows?

 

[amyl]

A huge percent of my property taxes goes to pay for parkand - i hospital I will never go to or utilize. Good schools benefit everyone… I’m happy to pay for that. Educated people are better for everyone assuming the education is factually based.
Parkland, however, caters to undocumented people and care for homeless. All the while undermining our specialty… playing crnas close to drs Income and paying very high crna rates pulling the whole market north…. And yes I am bitter that my tax dollars are being used to make anesthesia more difficult in dallas

 

[narcusprince]

Can you be more specific? Or is this on the same page as concerns that standardized tests, ranging from the SAT to MCAT to the USMLE are culturally biased and unfair?

Here's the ASA's statement on professionalism: Statement on Professionalism

Which references this document, a portion of which is quoted below:

https://www.asahq.org/-/media/sites/asahq/files/public/resources/standards-guidelines/guidelines-for-the-ethical-practice-of-anesthesiology.pdf

I'm genuinely curious how your culture, or another culture you're familiar with, differs or takes exception to these principles. Because they all seem pretty reasonable, as a minimum floor of acceptable conduct and professional behavior.

I know you are waiting for my response In the various roles as a African American Physician who has served in various roles. Im currently on vacation but I have a lot to discuss. I will keep this short for my later long post. 1. This world aint fair never has been never will be. 2. All skin folk aint kin folk protect yourself no white knight is coming to save you. 3. You can’t argue board scores do the best they will notice. 4. Diversity and Inclusion initiatives by the asa is wasted energy fight the good fight.

 

[kidthor]

I go through my county's supervisor minutes often (I have an exciting life) and the amount of settlements they out for random stuff is mind blowing. They're regularly pay out 10 million dollar settlements for wrongful death lawsuits (police shootings, car accidents, prisoners, overt county hospital medical malpractice, etc).

If only municipalities could focus on sending millions and millions of dollars to schools, vs condoning and writing off random deaths while having the taxpayers pay for it.