POD school as challenging as MD/DO?

[doclm]

Hello,

I am just curious from some of you that have had experience in a DPM program. Is the POD medical school as challenging as MD/DO schools? I am sure that from school to school there may be differences. However, I am just wondering if anyone had noticed differences in workload between MD's and DPM's?

---

Members don't see this ad.

 

[jonwill]

At DMU,the first year and a half is with the DO class so yes, it is a challenging.

 

[OOK]

Hello,

I am just curious from some of you that have had experience in a DPM program. Is the POD medical school as challenging as MD/DO schools? I am sure that from school to school there may be differences. However, I am just wondering if anyone had noticed differences in workload between MD's and DPM's?

there is no difference b/t MD/DO and POD schools. we study the same things. as a matter of fact, some DPM schools are harder than some MD/DO schools. Trust me.

 

[whiskers]

"there is no difference b/t MD/DO and POD schools."

Sure there isn't, 14 on the MCAT or even better, why bother taking it!!! Just get a 2.8 and apply from a community college!

 

[scpod]

"there is no difference b/t MD/DO and POD schools."

Sure there isn't, 14 on the MCAT or even better, why bother taking it!!! Just get a 2.8 and apply from a community college!

Since we're talking about comparisons with MD/DO schools and Whiskers just had to chime in, I think I'll bring up one of his/her favorite subjects now. Yes!!!! Oh my God!!!! I'm bringing up the OLD TEST thing all over again. Why? because Whiskers seems to think that having old tests floating around pod schools is the worst thing on Earth. It doesn't matter that everyone else does it; it will be the end of podiatry someday soon.

So........now that we're talking about MD/DO schools...have you taken a look at the First-Year Survival Guide for med students on the American Osteopathic Association's own web site. Look at some of the quotes:

• Before the test, read through an old test to see the types of questions
• Review the notes again, guided by the old test
• Go through the old tests, and highlight in the notes the areas where the test questions come from to see what is emphasized.
• Go through one or two of the tests as a group, looking up answers you don't understand.
• Take the old tests alone or in groups to assess weaknesses
• Go through one or two old tests in a group

I'll stop right there, but there is a really long section that talks all about old tests afterwards. It seems that the AOA condones this kind of thing. Imagine that! Does that mean that DO's have finally stooped to the same, dispicable low level that the evil, twisted and perverted podiatry students have been in all along? If MD's start doing it too, we'll all be condemned to a fiery Hell for sure. Where's the humanity!!!!!!!

 

[AnalBeads]

.

 

[box29]

Old exams float around everywhere, not just pod schools as whiskers like to think. I seem to remember when I was at SCPM, my friends at CMS (an MD institution) had some old exams as well. As far as the POD curriculum being challenging, yes it is, and in some aspects can be more intense from time to time.

Just my $0.02

 

[OOK]

"there is no difference b/t MD/DO and POD schools."

Sure there isn't, 14 on the MCAT or even better, why bother taking it!!! Just get a 2.8 and apply from a community college!

MCAT is a competition; it doesn't reflect the real capacity of someone. by the way, I know people with lower than 20 in the MCAT that makes it through MD/DO school. that doesn't bother you b/c they are MD/DO schools. why should it be a problem when a Pod school accepts someone with 14 in the MCAT?
I know a podiatry student that transfered to a DO school after his first year. he was in the bottom of the class. what would you say about that?
my only problem with any medical school is when they accept people with no professional attitude.

 

[JustMyLuck]

Hello,

I am just curious from some of you that have had experience in a DPM program. Is the POD medical school as challenging as MD/DO schools? I am sure that from school to school there may be differences. However, I am just wondering if anyone had noticed differences in workload between MD's and DPM's?

At SCPM we only share 2 courses with the M1's, one of them being Clinical Anatomy, the other being an Interprofessional Healthcare teams class that all students are req'd to take. Our courses are separate for Physiology, Micro/Immuno, Neuroscience, Biochem, etc.

Our Physio and Histo are integrated together in one course called "Structure and Function" (taught by a separate prof for each component) while the M1's have 2 separate courses for these, which I think is probably slightly harder.

On the other hand, our Biochem is more difficult than theirs and is co- taught by a prof from Rush Medical School. In addition we take "Lower Extremity anatomy" in which we go into excruciating detail on the foot, leg, gluteal region, etc.

All in all it averages out to being a similar workload I think.

 

[manik]

there is no difference b/t MD/DO and POD schools. we study the same things. as a matter of fact, some DPM schools are harder than some MD/DO schools. Trust me.

those are some bold statements.

 

[shanebrown20]

"there is no difference b/t MD/DO and POD schools."

Sure there isn't, 14 on the MCAT or even better, why bother taking it!!! Just get a 2.8 and apply from a community college!

I'am a second year podiatry student at Midwestern in Arizona, we take all of our classes with the DOs. If you get a 14 on the MCAT or have a GPA of 2.8, the only way you will see our campus is if you drive by it in your car.

 

[doclm]

Since we're talking about comparisons with MD/DO schools and Whiskers just had to chime in, I think I'll bring up one of his/her favorite subjects now. Yes!!!! Oh my God!!!! I'm bringing up the OLD TEST thing all over again. Why? because Whiskers seems to think that having old tests floating around pod schools is the worst thing on Earth. It doesn't matter that everyone else does it; it will be the end of podiatry someday soon.

So........now that we're talking about MD/DO schools...have you taken a look at the First-Year Survival Guide for med students on the American Osteopathic Association's own web site. Look at some of the quotes:

• Before the test, read through an old test to see the types of questions
• Review the notes again, guided by the old test
• Go through the old tests, and highlight in the notes the areas where the test questions come from to see what is emphasized.
• Go through one or two of the tests as a group, looking up answers you don't understand.
• Take the old tests alone or in groups to assess weaknesses
• Go through one or two old tests in a group

I'll stop right there, but there is a really long section that talks all about old tests afterwards. It seems that the AOA condones this kind of thing. Imagine that! Does that mean that DO's have finally stooped to the same, dispicable low level that the evil, twisted and perverted podiatry students have been in all along? If MD's start doing it too, we'll all be condemned to a fiery Hell for sure. Where's the humanity!!!!!!!

 

[runnersfeet]

How do you like AZPOD? Im curious because I have not seen many on this forum from there. How do you like the faculty, classes, schedule, etc???

I'am a second year podiatry student at Midwestern in Arizona, we take all of our classes with the DOs. If you get a 14 on the MCAT or have a GPA of 2.8, the only way you will see our campus is if you drive by it in your car.

 

[jonwill]

I'am a second year podiatry student at Midwestern in Arizona, we take all of our classes with the DOs. If you get a 14 on the MCAT or have a GPA of 2.8, the only way you will see our campus is if you drive by it in your car.

Amen to that!

 

[doclm]

I'am a second year podiatry student at Midwestern in Arizona, we take all of our classes with the DOs. If you get a 14 on the MCAT or have a GPA of 2.8, the only way you will see our campus is if you drive by it in your car.

Thats how it should be

 

[shanebrown20]

How do you like AZPOD? Im curious because I have not seen many on this forum from there. How do you like the faculty, classes, schedule, etc???

I love it, the campus and faculty are great. The schedule and classes are verry demanding, they make no distinction between the podiatry students and the osteopathic students which is as it should be. The reason you haven't seen alot of postings from Midwestern Podiatry is because my class, the class of "2008", is the inaugral class and we only have 16 students. The class of "2009" has 35+. The class of "2010" will be even larger as word gets out about the program.

 

[AnalBeads]

.

 

[oncogene]

I wouldn't call any of these "bold statements" coming from one of the worst MD programs in the country.

Chicago med school has a very good match list. I don't think knocking another school is very productive. I wouldn't say that any pod school is more diffiicult than any med school. The reality is they are pretty much one in the same and so is the dificulty of the courses.

 

[box29]

With above average board scores, I certainly wouldn't think of CMS badly, especially with a pretty good match list. Classes are challenging where ever you go.

 

[BengaliDocIsl]

i had a question about the kind of prescriptions D.P.M 's are allowed to write, do they just write prescriptions for the lower extremity or are they allowed to write prescriptions for cough, or for like a stuffy nose, i guess what i'm asking is if there is a limit to the kind of prescriptions D.P.M's are allowed to write or can they write a prescriptions similar to what M.D.'s and D.O.'s can write.

 

[jonwill]

i had a question about the kind of prescriptions D.P.M 's are allowed to write, do they just write prescriptions for the lower extremity or are they allowed to write prescriptions for cough, or for like a stuffy nose, i guess what i'm asking is if there is a limit to the kind of prescriptions D.P.M's are allowed to write or can they write a prescriptions similar to what M.D.'s and D.O.'s can write.

There are no laws limiting any specialist's ability to prescribe meds but all specialists must be responsible in their practice. A neurologist could technically write for hypertension medicine but he wouldn't. He'd send the pt to his fp or a cardiologist. The same applies to a podiatrist. The pod has no limitations but as with all specialists, should stick to his scope of practice. If a pod was treating a patients cough, I would consider that to be out of scope. Anybody else have an opinion?

 

[oncogene]

There are no laws limiting any specialist's ability to prescribe meds but all specialists must be responsible in their practice. A neurologist could technically write for hypertension medicine but he wouldn't. He'd send the pt to his fp or a cardiologist. The same applies to a podiatrist. The pod has no limitations but as with all specialists, should stick to his scope of practice. If a pod was treating a patients cough, I would consider that to be out of scope. Anybody else have an opinion?

I would agree with you except certain situatuions call for a neurologist to write scripts for hypertension such as disease that could increase chances for stroke.

 

[jonwill]

I would agree with you except certain situatuions call for a neurologist to write scripts for hypertension such as disease that could increase chances for stroke.

So along those lines, as long as you can justify the rx that you write as benefiting the lower extremity, then you're fine.

 

[dpmgrad]

i had a question about the kind of prescriptions D.P.M 's are allowed to write, do they just write prescriptions for the lower extremity or are they allowed to write prescriptions for cough, or for like a stuffy nose, i guess what i'm asking is if there is a limit to the kind of prescriptions D.P.M's are allowed to write or can they write a prescriptions similar to what M.D.'s and D.O.'s can write.

There are several states that actually do restrict what medications that a podiatrist may prescribe. This is usually written into the state law governing Podiatry.

For example, in Pennsylvania state law governing Podiatry, it states the following:

PA Code 29.41 Therapeutic drugs
Drugs which may be administered and prescribed by a podiatrsts are: Analgesics (narcotic and non-narcotic), antipyretics, anti-infectives and antibiotics, antifungal, antihistamines (analgesic combinations, corticoid combinations, general, sympathomimetic drugs), anesthetics, anti-inflammatory (analgesic compounds and steroids, glucocorticoids), antinauseants, dermatological, enzymes, fungal agents, hemorheologic agents, hypnotic drugs and sedatives (barbiturates, nonbarbiturates, muscle relaxants), peripheral vasodilators, vitamins

Another example, in Iowa state law governing Podiatry, it states the following:

IA Code 149.5
A licensed podiatric physician may prescribe and administer drugs for the treatment of human foot ailments as provided in section 149.1.

However, podiatry residents in those states that restrict what Podiatrists can prescribe, may actually write for prescriptions that are out of their scope of practice during their residency because they are writing prescription under direction of MD/DO in various medical or surgical rotations.

In states that do not have actual law restricting what Podiatrists can prescribe, most podiatrists usually limit their prescriptions to those that are utilized in treating various lower extremity conditions. This has been mentioned in some of the previous postings.

My recommendation is to check with the specific state law governing the practice of Podiatry to see if there are any restrictions as to what medications Podiatrists can or can not prescribe.

 

[doclm]

What kind of Laboratory Tests do Podiatrists usually order? Also, I am trying to figure out what kind of tests would fit into the scope of a Podiatrist.

Possibly a BNP (Brain Natriuretic Pepetide) which is secreted by granuales in the heart from volume expansion, which is correlated to congestive heart failure that may cause lower extremity edema?

I am sure that Podiatrists can write for a simple plasma glucose or RMG's.

Endocrine Lab Test?

How about preoperative and postoperative labs:
Eletrolyte Panels, CBC's (Hemoglobin or Platelet), Blood Gases?

How are labs ordered and processed in a private practice? Is it possible for a Podiatrist to use a Quality Assured RMG machine to check patients glucose levels?

I am just curious,

Thanks.

 

[dpmgrad]

What kind of Laboratory Tests do Podiatrists usually order? Also, I am trying to figure out what kind of tests would fit into the scope of a Podiatrist.

Possibly a BNP (Brain Natriuretic Pepetide) which is secreted by granuales in the heart from volume expansion, which is correlated to congestive heart failure that may cause lower extremity edema?

I am sure that Podiatrists can write for a simple plasma glucose or RMG's.

Endocrine Lab Test?

How about preoperative and postoperative labs:
Eletrolyte Panels, CBC's (Hemoglobin or Platelet), Blood Gases?

How are labs ordered and processed in a private practice? Is it possible for a Podiatrist to use a Quality Assured RMG machine to check patients glucose levels?

I am just curious,

Thanks.

To my knowledge, Podiatrists may write for any diagnostic laboratory studies, noninvasive vascular studies, and any diagnostic imaging modalities that would assist the Podiatrist in coming up with a diagnosis for any lower extremity ailments. Of course, Podiatrists may also order the appropriate preoperative and postoperative laboratory studies that are need to manage a surgical patient. As for labs ordered from private practice, it will depend on the set up of the private practice. If the private practice does have a nurse or phlebotomist available to draw blood, they can draw the blood in the office and then send it off to a contracted laboratory (such as Quest Labs, LabCorp, hospital laboratories, etc...). Some Podiatrists may also have their own equipment to check blood glucose or urine in their office. In practices where they don't draw their own blood, patients are usually sent to an outside lab or hospital lab to have their blood drawn. Of course, patients who have HMO insurance would need to go back to their primary care physician to be directed to the appropriate location to have the blood work done.

By the way, BNP stands for Beta Natriuretic Peptide (not Brain Natriuretic Peptide). Even though a Podiatrist can order blood gases, blood gases are not routinely ordered preoperatively and postoperatively by Podiatrists.

 

[doclm]

To my knowledge, Podiatrists may write for any diagnostic laboratory studies, noninvasive vascular studies, and any diagnostic imaging modalities that would assist the Podiatrist in coming up with a diagnosis for any lower extremity ailments. Of course, Podiatrists may also order the appropriate preoperative and postoperative laboratory studies that are need to manage a surgical patient. As for labs ordered from private practice, it will depend on the set up of the private practice. If the private practice does have a nurse or phlebotomist available to draw blood, they can draw the blood in the office and then send it off to a contracted laboratory (such as Quest Labs, LabCorp, hospital laboratories, etc...). Some Podiatrists may also have their own equipment to check blood glucose or urine in their office. In practices where they don't draw their own blood, patients are usually sent to an outside lab or hospital lab to have their blood drawn. Of course, patients who have HMO insurance would need to go back to their primary care physician to be directed to the appropriate location to have the blood work done.

By the way, BNP stands for Beta Natriuretic Peptide (not Brain Natriuretic Peptide). Even though a Podiatrist can order blood gases, blood gases are not routinely ordered preoperatively and postoperatively by Podiatrists.

Actually it does stand for Brain Natriuretic Peptide, however many people will call it B-type. It is a 32 amino acid peptide a neurohormone secreted from the ventricular myocardium in response to hemodynamic load stress.

 

[scpod]

Actually it does stand for Brain Natriuretic Peptide, however many people will call it B-type. It is a 32 amino acid peptide a neurohormone secreted from the ventricular myocardium in response to hemodynamic load stress.

Actually it's called all of those in medicine, but BNP is also:

Acronym/Definition
BNP B-Natriuretic Peptide
BNP B-Type Natriuretic Peptide
BNP Baluch National Party (Pakistan)
BNP Banco Nacional de Panama
BNP Bangladesh Nationalist Party
BNP Banque Nationale de Paris
BNP Basotho National Party (Lesotho)
BNP Basutoland National Party
BNP Beta Natriuretic Peptide
BNP Blanks and Postage
BNP Blanks and Postage (tape/music trading)
BNP Brain Natriuretic Peptide
BNP Breeder, Not Parent (Childfree community)
BNP British National Party
BNP Broadband Network Premises
BNP Bruto Nationaal Product (Dutch: Gross Domestic Product)
BNP Brutto National Produkt
BNP Business News Publishing Company

I guess it depends on who you talk to. Have we simply run out of letters for acronyms these days?

 

[ussdfiant]

I would agree with you except certain situatuions call for a neurologist to write scripts for hypertension such as disease that could increase chances for stroke.

Also inderol for essential tremor!

 

[dpmgrad]

Actually it does stand for Brain Natriuretic Peptide, however many people will call it B-type. It is a 32 amino acid peptide a neurohormone secreted from the ventricular myocardium in response to hemodynamic load stress.

I learned something new today. In school and in various medical rotations, I was taught that BNP stands for Beta (or Beta Type) Natriuretic Peptide.

 

[krabmas]

What kind of Laboratory Tests do Podiatrists usually order? Also, I am trying to figure out what kind of tests would fit into the scope of a Podiatrist.

Possibly a BNP (Brain Natriuretic Pepetide) which is secreted by granuales in the heart from volume expansion, which is correlated to congestive heart failure that may cause lower extremity edema?

I am sure that Podiatrists can write for a simple plasma glucose or RMG's.

Endocrine Lab Test?

How about preoperative and postoperative labs:
Eletrolyte Panels, CBC's (Hemoglobin or Platelet), Blood Gases?

How are labs ordered and processed in a private practice? Is it possible for a Podiatrist to use a Quality Assured RMG machine to check patients glucose levels?

I am just curious,

Thanks.

As far as I know the pod can order any test they want. I have never seen that limited.

 

[hug793]

I learned something new today. In school and in various medical rotations, I was taught that BNP stands for Beta (or Beta Type) Natriuretic Peptide.

The B can stand for Brain or Beta, they both mean the same thing though.. go to wikipedia.org and look it up

 

[71263]

those are some bold statements.

It is pretty tough though. I gotta admit, having tests every week like those Scholl kids wouldnt be fun. And another semester of anatomy with that psycho lower extermity guy??? Ill pass.

 

[manik]

I wouldn't call any of these "bold statements" coming from one of the worst MD programs in the country.

hmmm...I'm curious why your profile says your a "medical student"? I would think you would be proud to call yourself a podiatry student. please correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[IlizaRob]

hmmm...I'm curious why your profile says your a "medical student"? I would think you would be proud to call yourself a podiatry student. please correct me if i'm wrong.

I guess it depends on your definition. At DMU, the administration calls the podiatric students medical students. Its on our file and ID cards. Not that it really matters. Remember, not too long ago DO school wasnt considered medical school. So what is medical school? If you define it based on curriculum and didactic vs clinical education with residency, then we are medical students because we do the same thing as DOs here. If you define it as only MD/DO school then we aren't. Bottom line, who cares?

 

[psionic_blast]

hmmm...I'm curious why your profile says your a "medical student"? I would think you would be proud to call yourself a podiatry student. please correct me if i'm wrong.

Are you so insecure, or have problems dealing with others in the medical arena? Why don't you think that we are doctors? Seems like you have some issues to resolve, just because our scope is limited doesn't make us in any way less of a doctor than yourself. We are subspecialty providing excellent care to the lower extermity, we are also consider the foot and ankle specialists, and thats a fact. We will cut you some slack because you are still in medical school and haven't had that much exposure to our training. In most of the residency we are in the orthopeadic service. Doctors training doctors.

 

[manik]

Are you so insecure, or have problems dealing with others in the medical arena? Why don't you think that we are doctors? Seems like you have some issues to resolve, just because our scope is limited doesn't make us in any way less of a doctor than yourself. We are subspecialty providing excellent care to the lower extermity, we are also consider the foot and ankle specialists, and thats a fact. We will cut you some slack because you are still in medical school and haven't had that much exposure to our training. In most of the residency we are in the orthopeadic service. Doctors training doctors.

wow, i didn't expect such an emotional response. i didn't mean to hurt your feelings man. good luck with your career.

 

[psionic_blast]

wow, i didn't expect such an emotional response. i didn't mean to hurt your feelings man. good luck with your career.

Not an emotion response at all, thanks for the good wishes. Each person decides how they will let other treat them. Our profession has been push around which is understandable with pass training, etc. Now is the time when our training is standardized e.g. 3 year surgical residencies, We are drawing a line in the sand and standing up for our ability training and schooling. Most of the newer graudate will call themselves Foot and Ankle surgeons or specialists. I know that you were just asking about being proud to be a podiatrist, i just thought it curious you don't think we are doctors.

 

[jonwill]

Not an emotion response at all, thanks for the good wishes. Each person decides how they will let other treat them. Our profession has been push around which is understandable with pass training, etc. Now is the time when our training is standardized e.g. 3 year surgical residencies, We are drawing a line in the sand and standing up for our ability training and schooling. Most of the newer graudate will call themselves Foot and Ankle surgeons or specialists. I know that you were just asking about being proud to be a podiatrist, i just thought it curious you don't think we are doctors.

In manik's post, he never said anything about pods not being "real doctors". What are you talking about psionic_plast? Don't make me walk all the way over to the northwest corner of the library.

 

[IlizaRob]

In manik's post, he never said anything about pods not being "real doctors". What are you talking about psionic_plast? Don't make me walk all the way over to the northwest corner of the library.

Where are you? The southeast corner?

 

[jonwill]

Where are you? The southeast corner?

I'd say more southwest.

 

[psionic_blast]

In manik's post, he never said anything about pods not being "real doctors". What are you talking about psionic_plast? Don't make me walk all the way over to the northwest corner of the library.

I know I just got a little to excited after IPMSA and what Dean Yoho said! I was reading to much into manik post. don't make me walk all the way over to the yoga class. That where you are right?

 

[psionic_blast]

In manik's post, he never said anything about pods not being "real doctors". What are you talking about psionic_plast? Don't make me walk all the way over to the northwest corner of the library.

I know I just got a little to excited after IPMSA and what Dean Yoho said! I was reading to much into manik post. don't make me walk all the way over to the yoga class. That where you are right?

 

[psionic_blast]

In manik's post, he never said anything about pods not being "real doctors". What are you talking about psionic_plast? Don't make me walk all the way over to the northwest corner of the library.

I know I just got a little to excited after IPMSA and what Dean Yoho said! I was reading to much into manik post. don't make me walk all the way over to the yoga class. That where you are right?

 

[jonwill]

I know I just got a little to excited after IPMSA and what Dean Yoho said! I was reading to much into manik post. don't make me walk all the way over to the yoga class. That where you are right?

NO! Didn't you see the portal today. Yoga class was cancelled.

 

[psionic_blast]

Sorry for the triple post must have hit the submit button more than once.

 

[AnalBeads]

.

 

[manik]

It gets more chicks, anyways.

my respect for your profession has just grown exponentially.

 

[krabmas]

my respect for your profession has just grown exponentially.

I respect people with a sense of humor more so than just a smart guy.

Those who cannot see humor well too bad for you.

 

[manik]

I respect people with a sense of humor more so than just a smart guy.

Those who cannot see humor well too bad for you.

let me guess, you can only pull chicks by telling them your a "medical student" too? funny enough for you buddy?