political views of pharmacists poll

[wagrxm2000]

But naturally you are entitled to every government benefit you have ever received and do not spare a thought for the people who are wealthier than you and had to pay taxes so you could receive said benefit.

"If they'd rather die, they had better do it and decrease the surplus population."

Then take them all away.

Let's just do some simple math, we want to increase taxes so everyone can have free stuff so now we pay 15% more. Assuming an average 120k salary that's an extra 18k. Instead had you invested that money into the market you'd have made 500k to 750k based on 5% to 8% return over your child's 18 year life.

I don't know about everyone else but I'd rather have the 500k.

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[owlegrad]

Then take them all away.

I am not sure what you mean by this. So you would be ok with doing away with government provided student loans? Or public education altogether?

 

[pharm B]

I am not sure what you mean by this. So you would be ok with doing away with government provided student loans? Or public education altogether?

Public schoolin' is socialism. If your parents can't afford private tuition, it's off to the mill with ye. They made their choice.

 

[wagrxm2000]

I am not sure what you mean by this. So you would be ok with doing away with government provided student loans? Or public education altogether?

I'm completely fine with what is in place now but don't see the need for more.

If you want to give away more money, go ahead. I prefer choosing where to donate.

It's sad when I see people using their food stamps on the wrong things or even selling them.

 

[owlegrad]

I'm completely fine with what is in place now but don't see the need for more.

If you want to give away more money, go ahead. I prefer choosing where to donate.

It's sad when I see people using their food stamps on the wrong things or even selling them.

Lol so right now we have the perfect amount of entitlements but any more would be too much. Ok.

And the classic "if you want to give away your money go ahead" line. Because donating money to a charity is exactly the same as providing an entitlement to the entire population. :eyeroll:

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[wagrxm2000]

Lol so right now we have the perfect amount of entitlements but any more would be too much. Ok.

And the classic "if you want to give away your money go ahead" line. Because donating money to a charity is exactly the same as providing an entitlement to the entire population. :eyeroll:

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Well it's still too much but I'll settle for this.

Why exactly do you want to give your hard earned money away anyways?

 

[owlegrad]

Well it's still too much but I'll settle for this.

Why exactly do you want to give your hard earned money away anyways?

Because I believe society at large would benefit from from having single payer health insurance. I personally would probably benefit as well, in the long run, but even if that isn't the case I still think it is worth paying more in taxes so that god forbid if I ever find myself unemployed I would still have health insurance. Plus I would like to think that I am altruistic enough not to begrudge my fellow American health insurance just to save a little on taxes.

Another way to think of it is, would I rather pay Humana for health insurance and only get insurance for myself or would I rather pay that money in taxes to ensure that everyone has insurance and that I will also have it if I lose my job. Framed that way it's really not a difficult choice at all. It's crazy that anyone would prefer our current system.

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[wagrxm2000]

Because I believe society at large would benefit from from having single payer health insurance. I personally would probably benefit as well, in the long run, but even if that isn't the case I still think it is worth paying more in taxes so that god forbid if I ever find myself unemployed I would still have health insurance. Plus I would like to think that I am altruistic enough not to begrudge my fellow American health insurance just to save a little on taxes.

Another way to think of it is, would I rather pay Humana for health insurance and only get insurance for myself or would I rather pay that money in taxes to ensure that everyone has insurance and that I will also have it if I lose my job. Framed that way it's really not a difficult choice at all. It's crazy that anyone would prefer our current system.

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Or you can just save that money and be ahead in the long run because let's be honest with ourselves, it's not a little on taxes, it's a lot.

Look it's fine if you're ok with people taking advantage of the system we have in place. I'm not and don't plan on changing anyone's minds. I just don't believe in rewarding lazy people and would rather choose a charity that means a lot to my family. I can't pay tens of thousands of dollars in extra taxes each year and give tens of thousands to my charity too.

 

[zelman]

Look it's fine if you're ok with people taking advantage of the system we have in place. I'm not and don't plan on changing anyone's minds.

You do realize that people can't take advantage of a system that's designed to provide for everyone, right?

 

[wagrxm2000]

You do realize that people can't take advantage of a system that's designed to provide for everyone, right?

I'm talking about what we currently have.

What you guys want is simply a waste of hard earned money.

I understand people need the government to control them since they can't do it on their own but putting your money to good use will end up being better for a very high majority of pharmacists.

 

[TheBlaah]

Or you can just save that money and be ahead in the long run because let's be honest with ourselves, it's not a little on taxes, it's a lot.

Look it's fine if you're ok with people taking advantage of the system we have in place. I'm not and don't plan on changing anyone's minds. I just don't believe in rewarding lazy people and would rather choose a charity that means a lot to my family. I can't pay tens of thousands of dollars in extra taxes each year and give tens of thousands to my charity too.

I personally don't have a strong opinion on my taxes. The only thing that's rubbed me the wrong way is that most of your posts in this topic seem to generalize that anybody on any sort of entitlement are lazy who are only in it to take advantage for for free stuff. It seems to be a rather hard line too, as I haven't seen a single mention that somebody could be using the money for legitimate means.

 

[zelman]

I'm talking about what we currently have.

What you guys want is simply a waste of hard earned money.

I understand people need the government to control them since they can't do it on their own but putting your money to good use will end up being better for a very high majority of pharmacists.

#1 Is there anything the government could do for society with tax dollars that you wouldn't consider to be a waste of money?

#2 Do you only care about what is best for pharmacists? I mean, it would be better for pharmacists if anti-medication religions like Christian Science were outlawed and their members were forcible converted or executed. That doesn't mean I think the government should do that.

 

[wagrxm2000]

I personally don't have a strong opinion on my taxes. The only thing that's rubbed me the wrong way is that most of your posts in this topic seem to generalize that anybody on any sort of entitlement are lazy who are only in it to take advantage for for free stuff. It seems to be a rather hard line too, as I haven't seen a single mention that somebody could be using the money for legitimate means.

Oh there are plenty of legitimate people that need help. It's unfortunate that people take advantage of it.

 

[wagrxm2000]

#1 Is there anything the government could do for society with tax dollars that you wouldn't consider to be a waste of money?

#2 Do you only care about what is best for pharmacists? I mean, it would be better for pharmacists if anti-medication religions like Christian Science were outlawed and their members were forcible converted or executed. That doesn't mean I think the government should do that.

I put my family first and don't see anything wrong with that. I've also made myself clear, everyone already has an opportunity to go to college and pay their way. No one is stopping them

 

[zelman]

Look it's fine if you're ok with people taking advantage of the system we have in place. I'm not and don't plan on changing anyone's minds.

If you're not okay with it, do you have a solution in mind?

 

[wagrxm2000]

If you're not okay with it, do you have a solution in mind?

More strict polices of course but that would never happen.

How can anyone be happy seeing people on welfare living better then the middle class?

 

[zelman]

More strict polices of course but that would never happen.

How can anyone be happy seeing people on welfare living better then the middle class?

Policies. Got it. I'll recommend those to my congressional representatives.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Policies. Got it. I'll recommend those to my congressional representatives.

I appreciate it.

I'm still wanting for someone to tell me why saving it yourself is not a better option for anyone here and using your own charity.

I also find it interesting that I'm considered the greedy one when I'd prefer putting my family first and giving to charity.

 

[zelman]

I appreciate it.

I'm still wanting someone to tell me why saving it yourself is not a better option for anyone here and using your own charity.

I also find it interesting that I'm considered the greedy one when I'd prefer putting my family first and giving to charity.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm hella greedy. I'd rather the minimum taxable income be $1,000,000 and starting tax bracket 75% and eliminate all deductions. I'd love to be paying nothing and taking care of myself. However, I'm willing to accept the civic responsibility of society and pay taxes. But, I also think it would be nice to get some real tangible benefit from them.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm hella greedy. I'd rather the minimum taxable income be $1,000,000 and starting tax bracket 75% and eliminate all deductions. I'd love to be paying nothing and taking care of myself. However, I'm willing to accept the civic responsibility of society and pay taxes. But, I also think it would be nice to get some real tangible benefit from them.

I would agree. It would be nice to start over but that unfortunately can't happen.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

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[owlegrad]

I appreciate it.

I'm still wanting for someone to tell me why saving it yourself is not a better option for anyone here and using your own charity.

I also find it interesting that I'm considered the greedy one when I'd prefer putting my family first and giving to charity.

Because, what happens when you can't save? What happens when you're company goes out of business or downsizes and you're laid off? Using your own money is great until you don't have any.

Donating to charity is fine but there's no charity that provides Healthcare to all Americans.

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[gwarm01]

I'm torn between the humanitarian side of me that thinks healthcare should be a universal right, and the side of me that wants to retire young and buy a fishing boat who sees what pharmacist salaries are like in countries with universal healthcare.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Because, what happens when you can't save? What happens when you're company goes out of business or downsizes and you're laid off? Using your own money is great until you don't have any.

Donating to charity is fine but there's no charity that provides Healthcare to all Americans.

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Sorry I don't live scared.

 

[owlegrad]

Sorry I don't live scared.

It's not about being scared.

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[CetiAlphaFive]

It's not about being scared.
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+1

It's just like, you have to think of "what if my life got totally ruined and the walls were closing in oh God someone please help"

 

[wagrxm2000]

It's not about being scared.

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That's exactly how it sounds.

 

[owlegrad]

Do you buy insurance because you "live scared"?



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[wagrxm2000]

Do you buy insurance because you "live scared"?



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Yes that's why everyone buys insurance. You can word it however you want but it's because you are scared that if something happens you are protected.

 

[owlegrad]

Yes that's why everyone buys insurance. You can word it however you want but it's because you are scared that if something happens you are protected.

So you do live scared. Ok.

So can we move on to why you prefer to buy temporary private insurance as a benefit from your employer (one that would end if you became unemployed) rather than paying taxes so that everyone including yourself can be permanently insured regardless of employment status?

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

So you do live scared. Ok.
So can we move on to why you prefer to buy temporary private insurance as a benefit from your employer (one that would end if you became unemployed) rather than paying taxes so that everyone including yourself can be permanently insured regardless of employment status?

Bring back monarchs

 

[owlegrad]

Bring back monarchs

LOl wut? Although "God Save The Queen" is a pretty catchy slogan.

 

[wagrxm2000]

So you do live scared. Ok.

So can we move on to why you prefer to buy temporary private insurance as a benefit from your employer (one that would end if you became unemployed) rather than paying taxes so that everyone including yourself can be permanently insured regardless of employment status?

I'm repeating myself way too much here. You keep your money. You invest your money. You end up being able to send your kid to school and still make out way ahead. Everyone can still attend school but instead of you paying for it, they will. How hard is that to understand? Instead you want to support everyone and live a more poor (poorer?) life?

I'm glad we agree we both live scared, you just do a little more

 

[wagrxm2000]

The part you seem to be missing is even after your kid is done with school, you continue to pay these increased taxes. That $500k to $750k is going to end up being millions of dollars after reaching retirement.

 

[Rouelle]

Bring back monarchs

I volunteer

 

[Sparda29]

Eh, if companies paid more the market would crash.

Nope, during the economic boom of the 50s and 60s, taxes on the wealthy and on corporations were at their highest. We need to increase corporate taxes and seize their funds if they try to leave the country to avoid the tax.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Nope, during the economic boom of the 50s and 60s, taxes on the wealthy and on corporations were at their highest. We need to increase corporate taxes and seize their funds if they try to leave the country to avoid the tax.

You may want to do some research on how different things were then compared to now.

 

[Dred Pirate]

I'd rather not pay for other people. Everyone makes their own choices. I paid for my schooling, everyone else can pay for theirs.

My kids are doing just fine. This whole free for everyone would be a net negative for most pharmacist families.

out of curiosity - did you go to a state school or private? Very few people pay for their entire education - I went to to 8 years of private school, but without state / govt funds - none of these schools would be open

 

[wagrxm2000]

out of curiosity - did you go to a state school or private? Very few people pay for their entire education - I went to to 8 years of private school, but without state / govt funds - none of these schools would be open

State school

Not saying all government funding should be stopped, just some things need tweaked.

 

[Dred Pirate]

State school

Not saying all government funding should be stopped, just some things need tweaked.

so you did NOT pay for all your schooling - you paid for likely less than a 1/3 - not trying to single you out - but I hear similar types of statements - "I don't want to pay for xxx" when in reality, those same people likely receive a lot more govt subsidies than they realize. (think the rural farmer - my family was one) - many don't realize how much it costs to put that 2 miles of road to get to their house that only they use.

 

[Dred Pirate]

The part you seem to be missing is even after your kid is done with school, you continue to pay these increased taxes. That $500k to $750k is going to end up being millions of dollars after reaching retirement.

the thing is - I was one of 3 - grew up very poor, if my parents had to pay for school - I wouldn't have gotten an education, I would be poor, working for a job making 1/3 of what I make now, and paying way less taxes - the government made a good investment in me. (obviously YMMV)

 

[PAtoPharm]

Just wondering something. A lot of the people who post here wouldn't mind paying a few thousand more per year in taxes to make universal healthcare a reality, but how would you feel about working for the salaries that pharmacists (or PAs and NPs for that matter, although I don't think other countries really have these midlevel providers) who practice in countries with socialized medicine earn?

 

[Dred Pirate]

Just wondering something. A lot of the people who post here wouldn't mind paying a few thousand more per year in taxes to make universal healthcare a reality, but how would you feel about working for the salaries that pharmacists (or PAs and NPs for that matter, although I don't think other countries really have these midlevel providers) who practice in countries with socialized medicine earn?

this might be the most intelligent post you have had - although there are waaaay to many other variables to make it worth my time to actually discuss.

 

[RxPreceptor]

I don't know about you guys, but capitalism seems to continually being watered down to the point of being more like socialism. Higher risk (usually meaning higher reward) jobs are becoming less desirable from high cost of tuition & excess taxation to support others with less risk & education requiring jobs (& those heavily reliant of govt funded programs).

 

[owlegrad]

I'm repeating myself way too much here. You keep your money. You invest your money. You end up being able to send your kid to school and still make out way ahead. Everyone can still attend school but instead of you paying for it, they will. How hard is that to understand? Instead you want to support everyone and live a more poor (poorer?) life?

I'm glad we agree we both live scared, you just do a little more

I don't live more scared. I would just prefer a rational model for healthcare. Did I miss where you explain why you prefer private healthcare that is employer-based?



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[wagrxm2000]

I don't live more scared. I would just prefer a rational model for healthcare. Did I miss where you explain why you prefer private healthcare that is employer-based?


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And I missed the part where you explain why you want to continue paying for everyone else's schooling when your kids are done.

 

[wagrxm2000]

the thing is - I was one of 3 - grew up very poor, if my parents had to pay for school - I wouldn't have gotten an education, I would be poor, working for a job making 1/3 of what I make now, and paying way less taxes - the government made a good investment in me. (obviously YMMV)

My parents didn't help me out. We were just your average middle class family.

Like I said I'm fine with keeping most things the way they are. I just hate how the middle class lives more poor then those that simply take advantage of the system.

 

[Dred Pirate]

My parents didn't help me out.

Like I said I'm fine with keeping most things the way they are. I just hate how the middle class lives more poor then those that simply take advantage of the system.

I was referring to the comment that you made about keeping your money instead and paying for education vs public education being paid for with tax money. The middle class lives more poor because the rich keep getting richer in this country due to a tax structure that allows many of them to pay a lower effective tax rate due to the way capital gains are taxed.

And I missed the part where you explain why you want to continue paying for everyone else's schooling when your kids are done.

because if everybody quit paying taxes for schools as soon as their children were done with school, your taxes during school would skyrocket - at the time a parent is much less likely to have disposable income.

 

[wagrxm2000]

I was referring to the comment that you made about keeping your money instead and paying for education vs public education being paid for with tax money. The middle class lives more poor because the rich keep getting richer in this country due to a tax structure that allows many of them to pay a lower effective tax rate due to the way capital gains are taxed.



because if everybody quit paying taxes for schools as soon as their children were done with school, your taxes during school would skyrocket - at the time a parent is much less likely to have disposable income.

Again I'm not saying change what is currently in place when it comes to schooling.

My simple math problem was simply showing what you would lose if you ended up paying 15% more for free health Care and schooling

 

[owlegrad]

And I missed the part where you explain why you want to continue paying for everyone else's schooling when your kids are done.

I don't have kids. Should I have to pay for anyone's schooling but my own?

You do realize that you directly benefit from other people being educated, right? For one thing it keeps America competitive on the world stage. You should want education to be a priority. I am not really talking about education anyway, I was weighing in on health care. I can see why you want to change the topic though since you don't seem to have a reason you want to defend for keeping our system the way it is.