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When I was in college, I have taken pre-med courses such as 2 semesters of Gen Biology, Gen Physics, Gen Chemistry (from community college), English, and Math. I have also taken Cellular Biology as well. The only class I was not able to take was 2 semesters of Organic Chemistry due to time conflict between my classes.

I would like to know what I need to do to get into medical school. So I thought I'd ask you to know what I should do.

Q. Should I retake prerequisite courses again? Biology, Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Math, English, Physics, and other courses such as Cellular Biology, Genetics, Human Anatomy?

Q. Or Should I just take only Organic Chemistry to fulfill pre-med prerequisite? I have taken most of pre-med courses except Organic Chemistry. If I only need to take Organic Chemistry to fulfill prerequisite, then I will go back to school in Fall and take it.

My plan was to go to medical school after graduation. However, I was not able to go and apply for medical school because I had not completed Organic Chemistry and not completed MCAT.

So I ended up working for the U.S. government. But now I want to chase after my dream. I will do everything I can to go to medical school. If I need to take prerequisite courses all over again, then I will do it.

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When I was in college, I have taken pre-med courses such as 2 semesters of Gen Biology, Gen Physics, Gen Chemistry (from community college), English, and Math. I have also taken Cellular Biology as well. The only class I was not able to take was 2 semesters of Organic Chemistry due to time conflict between my classes.

I would like to know what I need to do to get into medical school. So I thought I'd ask you to know what I should do.

Q. Should I retake prerequisite courses again? Biology, Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Math, English, Physics, and other courses such as Cellular Biology, Genetics, Human Anatomy?

Q. Or Should I just take only Organic Chemistry to fulfill pre-med prerequisite? I have taken most of pre-med courses except Organic Chemistry. If I only need to take Organic Chemistry to fulfill prerequisite, then I will go back to school in Fall and take it.

My plan was to go to medical school after graduation. However, I was not able to go and apply for medical school because I had not completed Organic Chemistry and not completed MCAT.

So I ended up working for the U.S. government. But now I want to chase after my dream. I will do everything I can to go to medical school. If I need to take prerequisite courses all over again, then I will do it.
Agree with @gonnif that some more details are going to be needed. Mainly 1) how long ago did you take the prerequisites and b) what is your gpa?

Just to get the title out of the way, taking a masters will not make up for lacking Organic, so no matter what you'll have to take that. You'll need it for the MCAT anyway (and you would need an MCAT for an SMP program.) I also will always recommend that a postbacc be attempted before an SMP is considered, and would never advise a non-SMP Masters program for med school admissions purposes (if you have a true interest in the field, it's a different matter). Unless you're going for DO, I would recommend not re-taking classes (especially if your grades are OK) and instead taking upper-level sciences to show that you can hack it academically. Which would prove more to you, someone acing a class for the second time, or someone acing a new, harder class?

So, to summarize:
- More info is needed for better advice
- You will have to take Organic Chemistry, period.
- If your classes are recent (within 5yrs) and your gpa is reasonable (<3.5ish, ideally), you won't need coursework beyond the O Chem
- If your classes are not recent, I would advise a DIY postbacc (aka take orgo and then take some upper level sciences) to prove you've not lost your touch
- If your gpa is low, I would still recommend a DIY postbacc, but an SMP may be another option...AFTER you take Orgo and the MCAT (another reason why, in my mind, you may as well just do the DIY postbacc)
- Don't retake any courses unless you're going DO

Hope this is helpful, if you have more questions just update the thread with more details and we'll be better able to respond.
 
Thank you so much for replying back!

To give you my background, I have majored in Mathematics with a Statistics Concentration and graduated last year of 2015 (Undergrad). I've worked with a Mohs Surgeon for a few years. After graduation I got recruited by the U.S. government to work for them. It's been almost an year and I've learned that following my dream is more important than money. Although money is great and can buy us all the things that will temporarily make us happy. So, I now have found my true passion and I am going to pursue my dream. To become a Mohs Surgeon.

My GPA was 3.23 overall
Last time I checked my science GPA without Organic Chemistry was 3.05. If I get an A in organic chemistry I & II then my science GPA will be 3.19.

The followings are the courses I took in undergrad. Pre-Med Courses.
Gen Chem I: A
Gen Chem II: B
Gen Physics I: B-
Gen Physics II: B+
Gen Biology I: C+
Gen Biology II: B
Organic Chemistry I: N/A
Organic Chemistry II: N/A
English Writing About Medicine: B
English Writing About Food: A-
Calculus I: A-
Calculus II: B
Calculus III: A
Calculus IV: A
Statistics : A
Intro to Psychology: B
I have taken Cellular Biology (C+) as well.

Volunteer/Experience
- Volunteered at a local clinic as a pharmacy technician and as a medical screener. I have volunteered for 150hrs.
- Worked with a Mohs Surgeon for 3 years as a Mohs Histotechnician
- Internship at dermatology center for 1 year
-CPR Certified for 3 years

Campus Involvement and Leadership
- President of Honor Mathematics Society
- Secretary of Honor Mathematics Society
- Associate of Pre-Med
- Associate of Latino Student Association
- Club Soccer

I've taken those aforementioned courses about 3-4 years ago. I took them while I was in college. Should I go back to school this Fall and do a postbacc program (retake prerequisites)?

If I need to retake all of pre-med courses, I will do it. If I need to do a postbacc at local university, then I will do it. I just need to know what I need to do and how to prepare for medical admission. I've studied MCAT as well and took a practice exam. My score was 30. I had not taken organic chemistry but I have taught myself and learned it as well as pharmacology. I am curious as to know if I could get into medical school.

Thanks for your time and consideration

Very respectfully
 
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Thank you so much for replying back!

To give you my background, I have majored in Mathematics with a Statistics Concentration and graduated last year of 2015 (Undergrad). I've worked with a Mohs Surgeon for a few years. After graduation I got recruited by the U.S. government to work for them. It's been almost an year and I've learned that following my dream is more important than money. Although money is great and can buy us all the things that will temporarily make us happy. So, I now have found my true passion and I am going to pursue my dream. To become a Mohs Surgeon.

My GPA was 3.23 overall
Last time I checked my science GPA without Organic Chemistry was 3.05. If I get an A in organic chemistry I & II then my science GPA will be 3.19.

The followings are the courses I took in undergrad. Pre-Med Courses.
Gen Chem I: A
Gen Chem II: B
Gen Physics I: B-
Gen Physics II: B+
Gen Biology I: C+
Gen Biology II: B
Organic Chemistry I: N/A
Organic Chemistry II: N/A
English Writing About Medicine: B
English Writing About Food: A-
Calculus I: A-
Calculus II: B
Calculus III: A
Calculus IV: A
Statistics : A
Intro to Psychology: B
I have taken Cellular Biology (C+) as well.

Volunteer/Experience
- Volunteered at a local clinic as a pharmacy technician and as a medical screener. I have volunteered for 150hrs.
- Worked with a Mohs Surgeon for 3 years as a Mohs Histotechnician
- Internship at dermatology center for 1 year
-CPR Certified for 3 years

Campus Involvement and Leadership
- President of Honor Mathematics Society
- Secretary of Honor Mathematics Society
- Associate of Pre-Med
- Associate of Latino Student Association
- Club Soccer

I've taken those aforementioned courses about 3-4 years ago. I took them while I was in college. Should I go back to school this Fall and do a postbacc program (retake prerequisites)?

If I need to retake all of pre-med courses, I will do it. If I need to do a postbacc at local university, then I will do it. I just need to know what I need to do and how to prepare for medical admission. I've studied MCAT as well and took a practice exam. My score was 30. I had not taken organic chemistry but I have taught myself and learned it as well as pharmacology. I am curious as to know if I could get into medical school.

Thanks for your time and consideration

Very respectfully
DO NOT RETAKE ALL THE PREREQUISITES, unless you plan to go DO.

Here's the deal: you need to do some gpa repair. Unfortunately, you won't get into most formal postbaccs (the kind where you take all of the prerequisite courses), because they usually don't let you in if you've taken the MCAT or more than a couple of prereqs. That wouldn't be what you need anyway.

What you need is to reinvent yourself: you need to take upper level classes either full time, or part-time while working your butt off (I recommend the latter for financial purposes, but if you have the money and are crunched on time, go F/T). You need to prove, both to yourself and to med schools, that you can handle a heavy science course load. Upper level sciences are going to do a better job of this than retaking intro levels. They can be hard to find without enrolling, but it is possible. You just have to be willing to make it work for you.

An SMP is also an option...this is a master's program which serves little purpose other than to get low-gpa applicants into med school. They are usually exorbitantly expensive, and they are very high risk. If you perform poorly (i.e. if you aren't top of the class) in an SMP, you pretty much don't go to med school, period. The problem is, SMPs are usually 'take med school to show you can do med school', meaning you'll be taking med school courses and sometimes even being graded against the med school curve. You can see why I'm leery of recommending one to someone who, as of right now, may or may not have figured out their academic groove well enough to ace a series of undergraduate courses.

Either way, you'll have to take Organic I and II and delay the app a year, so in my mind you may as well find a place near you that offers good science courses and spend a year trying to pull that GPA up.


I was in practically your exact situation, stats-wise, 3yrs ago. I graduated with <3.2, was missing exactly 2 prereqs, and decided I wanted to go into medicine. The big difference was that I had zero clinical experience - so you've got a bit of a head start. I'm going to be starting at an amazing med school in 2mo. This can all work out, but you can't rush it. It took you 4yrs to get that crummy gpa, it's going to take you at least a year or two to demonstrate that you've truly changed your style. Don't shoot yourself in the foot by rushing an app together and potentially finding yourself trying to succeed as a low-stats reapplicant. Reapplication isn't the kiss of death or anything, but you don't need any additional flags stacking up on your app right now.

For reference, here is what I did in your situation (note that I added in more clinical work than you may feel the need to do, given our different background on that front):
- I found a local Extension school which offered upper level science courses in evening slots. This allowed me to work and attend school.
- ER Scribe F/T to rack up clinical experience
- Biotech job P/T to pay for classes
- 2 upper level science classes per semester (except for one summer session when I had no job and did 3 classes in 2mo).
- Finished my 2 remaining prereqs. This and the above gave me a total of almost 30 credits of 4.0 postbacc work
- Completed a premedical surgical internship program for more experience
- Studied for the MCAT...with a low GPA this is key. You may have to retake the MCAT if you take a gap year, as your score will expire. I recommend not taking classes during MCAT prep.

Applied with a 3.3 gpa, very high MCAT, and a story of reinvention. Tailored my school list to those which review holistically and reward reinvention. WAMC forums were very helpful in making that list.

Hope any of that helps.
 
Dug up an old guide I wrote to give you an idea of what sort of options lie ahead. Hope it helps!

As a quick overview:
Postbacc: Any undergraduate-level classes taken after graduation from college. These DO affect your AMCAS gpa calculations and can also be seen separately by adcoms (gpas are divided by year: freshman/sophomore/junior/senior/postbacc). This could be one class or many. You can take them piecemeal (DIY or informal postbacc) or as part of an official program (formal postbacc)
Formal Postbacc: A series of undergraduate classes designed for premedical students. Often these include the prerequisites and the programs are intended for career changers - these programs often do not accept students who have taken many med school prereq courses. Others are for GPA repair. These programs are usually 1-2 years long, require application, charge a set tuition (usually very pricy) and rarely have linkage or special consideration from their associated medical school. They affect AMCAS gpa
DIY Postbacc: Any set of undergraduate courses taken after graduation, typically in a pay-by-course fashion, from any combination of schools. This is less structured, requires no application, and never has any sort of linkage, but the scheduling and payment structure can be better for working folks.
Masters: When used alone, this usually refers to a standard graduate school program. Typically on SDN this will be a research-based grad program, but can also refer to some specialized programs such as MPHs, etc. The GPA from these programs does not affect your AMCAS gpa (though it will be listed separately) and tends to be given low weight by adcoms due to varying rigor across the country and low familiarity (among other things). A low grad GPA can hurt you, but even a great one will not do much to offset poor undergrad performance. Generally the consensus is, do a masters if you would have done it anyway (aside from getting into med) or if it factors into the future career track you are considering in some way. Duration variable; some MPHs are a year, other masters can last several.
SMP: While this is also technically a master's program (special master's program), it is the exception to the rule above: these programs can strongly help offset a low undergrad GPA. It is essentially 'do med school to prove you can do med school'. Often, people will take courses alongside med students. However, do poorly in an SMP and you are basically done. Many of these programs have linkages to their med schools (or at least interview consideration). The price tag, however, is pretty hefty. These are pretty much universally 1yr programs. Edit: I'm starting to see more 2yr ones, though you can apply at any point.
 
Thank you so much! You're very helpful and you give me a hope.

From my understanding is that I would NOT have to take prerequisite all over again, which is a huge relief for me. Thank you for giving me a light.

So what I can do is take 2 or 3 upper level science courses per semester. For instance, Organic Chemistry I & Histology (BIO 331) in Fall and Organic II & Genetics (Bio 341) in Spring.

The only problem I will have is time. Money would not be issue but time. Since I work full time at work I would not be able to do Organic Chemistry since it is offered only during the day.

So I may have to quit my job and become a full time student and take Organic Chemistry I & II along with 2 or 3 classes of the following:

-Organic Chemistry I & II
-Biochemistry I & II
-Genetics
-Biology of Cancer
-Human Anatomy and physiology
-Microbiology, Endocrinology
-Inorganic Chemistry I & II
-Physical Chemistry I & II

Conclusion:
-Since I won't be able to do part-time I will have to become a full time student and enroll and take aforementioned 2 or 3 classes per semester.
-After completing upper level science courses successfully, prepare for MCAT for a year.
- So total 2 years of preparation to prove myself that I can handle a heavy science course load and to show medical school that I can do it.

Full time, spend a year, take 2 or 3 upper level science courses per semesters to boost up my GPA and then study MCAT for another year, and then apply for medical school. Hm. (Correct me if I am wrong. I would not be offended.)
High MCAT score + new GPA ( greater than 3.23) = a hope to get in. #MD #reinvention

What were the 2 prerequisites?
 
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Thank you so much! You're very helpful and you give me a hope.

From my understanding is that I would NOT have to take prerequisite all over again, which is a huge relief for me. Thank you for giving me a light.

So what I can do is take 2 or 3 upper level science courses per semester. For instance, Organic Chemistry I & Histology (BIO 331) in Fall and Organic II & Genetics (Bio 341) in Spring.

The only problem I will have is time. Money would not be issue but time. Since I work full time at work I would not be able to do Organic Chemistry since it is offered only during the day.

So I may have to quit my job and become a full time student and take Organic Chemistry I & II along with 2 or 3 classes of the following:

-Organic Chemistry I & II
-Biochemistry I & II
-Genetics
-Biology of Cancer
-Human Anatomy and physiology
-Microbiology, Endocrinology
-Inorganic Chemistry I & II
-Physical Chemistry I & II

Conclusion:
-Since I won't be able to do part-time I will have to become a full time student and enroll and take aforementioned 2 or 3 classes per semester.
-After completing upper level science courses successfully, prepare for MCAT for a year.
- So total 2 years of preparation to prove myself that I can handle a heavy science course load and to show medical school that I can do it.

Full time, spend a year, take 2 or 3 upper level science courses per semesters to boost up my GPA and then study MCAT for another year, and then apply for medical school. Hm. (Correct me if I am wrong. I would not be offended.)
High MCAT score + new GPA ( greater than 3.23) = a hope to get in. #MD #reinvention

What were the 2 prerequisites?
Sounds reasonable, if going full-time student is something you can swing.
For me, the prereqs were both Physics. Just to give an idea of the flexibility, I opted to go for 1/2 time student, F/T clinical job, and 1/2 time money-making job.
 
If I could work full time and be a part time student & take classes, I could do it. But I know I will not be able to due to time confliction. I know I am gonna need money when I am not working. But I've saved up enough to the point where I can pay for my classes. What I am afraid of is spending 2 years for preparing to go to med school and not get in. I would be so hopeless. I'd be jobless. I'd think that i'd be such a loser. But if I get in, then everything would be okay. I am just anxious. Worried. I don't know if I will do well in upper level science courses. They're are hard courses. and I know med school is very hard and challenging. My sister is in med school. I've talked to her about going into med school but I wanted to hear from different people.

Why did you want to go to medicine? Did you not like your previous job? or did you want to help people? like what made you, what caused you to become a doctor? and what was your degree?
 
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